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thank you, thank you. and now we got pillows of moss growing around the waterfall.
is very nice. and the tall bunches of cyperus made it thru the winter in the basement so spring is going to look better than in years past. Ingrid ~ janj wrote: Texas dawn is huge. http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/7-15-2003f.jpg it covers most of 1/2 of the pond. it sits on a ledge. Ingrid Absolutely gorgeous picture. The water, the weathered the wood, the greenery/flowers, really cool. Reminds me of being on a dock (weathered wood) on the lake I grew up by. I was involved with "fish"ing then too. ;) ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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CanadianCowboyİ wrote:
I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . Feed more often. Many books recommend 2x day. 3x wouldn't hurt IMHO. |
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"Koi-Lo" writes:
Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place out. I've used a product that is intended to provide trace elements for citrus, "Citrus Growers Mix" or something like that. All chelated minerals. Water soluble. HTH |
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thank you, thank you. and now we got pillows of moss growing around the waterfall.
is very nice. and the tall bunches of cyperus made it thru the winter in the basement so spring is going to look better than in years past. Ingrid Speaking of moss, my little ferny moss that grows in the stream did really well over winter. I guess it needs just a little moisture to keep it alive. Last year, where it didn't get hardly any moisture it died. I put more in that area, and it is still green this spring. :) ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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"Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... "Koi-Lo" writes: Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place out. I've used a product that is intended to provide trace elements for citrus, "Citrus Growers Mix" or something like that. All chelated minerals. Water soluble. HTH =========================== Yes, that's what I need. There's a huge Nursery and Greenhouse in my area. I think before getting it on the net and having to pay S&H charges (which can be 1/2 the cost of the product) I will see if they can order me something like that. I need to talk to the owner instead of the gal at the register. Mennonites run the place and I know they grow much of their own food outside the city. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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~ janj wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:27:29 +0000 (UTC), (Richard Sexton) wrote: Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong? In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, Yeee-ow, you use manure, you get green pond. Been there, done that. My ponds were ready for St. Pat's day that year. I'd only redone 2 pots, pulled them out, used my unadulterated sandy soil, clear pond in 2 days, thanks to a good filter. ~ jan ;o) You seal it with fine beach sand. I use it in aquariums. http://images.aquaria.net/tanks/rjs/tk-1/ This tank has had manure under the 3" of beach sand for 7 years. Some poeple get green water without manure, but it's possible to use it and not have green water. The net is great and all but books are still good. Masters book has lots of pictutes of great and clear ponds with manute in the lily pots. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Derek Broughton wrote: You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either. Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in soil. State of the art 1904 thinking. Innes would agree with you. But we've come a long way since then and proper plant nutrition needs much much more tha fish waste. They will *grow* to be sure, but they will grow much much better with proper food. Oh, crap (literally). Your opinion, while interesting, has been disproved. In the past fifteen years we've figured out how to make those heavily planted crystal clear tanks full of fast growing plants like only the dutch used to do. IN a nutshell what was missing was the things NOT in fish poop. Innes also contended "fish fertilize plants" and ferilization was "a noble but foolish experiment". He was wrong, as we've learned, but he did write that in the 1899-1904 timeframe when he wrote his pond and then aquarium book. I had a not very heavily populated 5000 gallon pond. My deep lilies would, every year, develop sufficient foliage to lift the tubers a foot or two off the bottom of the pond. We're talking about 18" or longer tubers, with 100sq.ft. of pads, and dozens of blooms. If I could have made them grow better with "food" I'd have to have been nuts to do it! Ok, so you think you're nuts, but the point still stands. With proper feeding they'll do *better*. Do you actually have a pond Richard? I _know_ you're an aquarium expert, but I seriously doubt your pond experience. Compost is NOT a good idea for a planted _fish_ pond. I wrote about my pond in some back issue of TFH a few years back. I Was thinking of doing a few more which is why I'm here. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the
cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow, _then_ they lose their roots. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. Get then to a hydroponics.com franchise. Use potassium sulphate or potassium nitrate (if you're nitrates are low). And use the iron+trace mix. These are whan you're deficient in. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Koi-Lo wrote: I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive. You're low on iron (+traces). -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Koi-Lo wrote: Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't find anywhere local that sells the stuff. http://gregwatson.com -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Koi-Lo wrote: Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place out. Iron+traces is always found that way. You don't dose them individually. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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~ janj wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:16:24 -0500, CanadianCowboyİ wrote: I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. Thanks in advance ! Before throwing any fertilizer in, check your pH. If the pH is too high or low, you can throw all the fert. you want in, and the plant will still fail to thrive. ~ jan News to me. I've not noticed any problem with a pH bewteen 4.5 and 9. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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~ janj wrote: Fixing a pH problem is on a case by case basis, but to raise pH, baking soda works great, plus it adds buffering. To lower pH is a touchier subject and I won't address it at this time, questions need to be asked an answered before preceding with lowering one's pH. ~ jan :o) Too high a pH isn't really a problem. Plants will lower it just by growing through biogenic decalcification. Old water gets more acid with just fish in it too. Loweing pH is not the wisest thinf to do and commercial fish products to do this have nasty side effects. Vinegar can be used, as can nitric or hydrochloric acid. DO NOT do this lightly or without fully understanding what you're doing. It's all good till somebody loses an eye. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... In article , Koi-Lo wrote: Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place out. Iron+traces is always found that way. You don't dose them individually. ================= I didn't plan to do it individually. I wouldn't know how much of each to add. I was hoping to find them in a form I could just add to water and use, like those houseplant fertilizers I have for my houseplants. I wanted the person to know what I was looking for......... -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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