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I am just finished making my new pond and an now considering starting to
move my plants into it. Currently they are potted in baskets with aquatic compost. But this tends to leach out and gather on the bottom of the pond. I was wondering if I can plant my plants just into pea single and they will still do ok. I have several water lilies and some water hawthorn. thanks Paul |
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use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid Paul wrote: I am just finished making my new pond and an now considering starting to move my plants into it. Currently they are potted in baskets with aquatic compost. But this tends to leach out and gather on the bottom of the pond. I was wondering if I can plant my plants just into pea single and they will still do ok. I have several water lilies and some water hawthorn. thanks Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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Paul wrote:
That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot? As long as they're getting good sunlight and nutrients - which they tend to get in garden ponds - they're going to jump pots. That's why I ended up always planting bare root - it makes dividing really simple :-) I just wire the tuber to a rock. Others have had too much trouble with fish nibbling the plants for that, though. -- derek |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot? ================ Yes! Most pond plants will spread rapidly and "jump their pots" in time. Others drop so many seeds you'll see them coming up in other pots in your pond. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong?
In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment with fertilizer spikes. Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head) -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Richard Sexton wrote:
Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong? In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment with fertilizer spikes. Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head) Just because it was in a book doesn't make it true, any more than if it's on a .edu site :-) I completely stopped potting lilies. The only reason for soil of any kind is if you have fish that keep nibbling on their roots. Then minimally nutrient rich is good. Clay works because it actually binds some of the nutrients, so it doesn't release them into the water as manure does. The only problem with pea gravel is not that it doesn't provide nutrients - it's just an almighty pain to try dividing a lily whose roots have grown around a couple of kilos of gravel! The only thing wrong with Ingrid's suggestion, ime, is that topping the soil with gravel still ends up with the roots all around the gravel. It's only there to keep the koi out of the plant, and I'd use much larger stones (after all, koi can move pea gravel, anyway). Manure is a really, really, stupid thing to add to a pond with fish. Fish provide plenty of their own manure. The last thing you ever want to do in a fish pond, if you can help it, is to add fertilizer. You want the plants to take up as much of the nutrients as possible, so that the algae doesn't get it and so that the fish don't have ammonia/nitrite problems. I fasten a 6" lily tuber to a rock in Spring and drop them to 4-5'. By August, they get so large that the tuber is around 18" and the foliage is so bouyant the rock's a foot off the pond bottom. -- derek |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go for my little barrels. -- Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply. Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept. I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . |
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong? In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment with fertilizer spikes. Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head) ===================== I use rich topsoil that collects from my neighbor's pasture in the runoff area on my property. It settles there free for the tanking. I add a broken Jobe's Rose spike and they flower from mid spring to first good frost. :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Altum wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote: wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go for my little barrels. You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either. Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in soil. -- derek |
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CanadianCowboyİ wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote: wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept. I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow, _then_ they lose their roots. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps. -- derek |
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Derek Broughton wrote: otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go for my little barrels. You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either. Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in soil. State of the art 1904 thinking. Innes would agree with you. But we've come a long way since then and proper plant nutrition needs much much more tha fish waste. They will *grow* to be sure, but they will grow much much better with proper food. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
CanadianCowboyİ wrote: Derek Broughton wrote: wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept. I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow, _then_ they lose their roots. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. Thanks in advance ! |
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"CanadianCowboyİ" wrote in message . .. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. ======================== I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds*. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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