I sure hope Gail has managed togewt her panties unwadded by now from
this post....the stuuuuuuuupid bitch!
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:20:37 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

"Tristan" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:52:38 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

snip lots of good and lots of trashy unsubstantiated junk

Please watch attributions. I (Gail) did NOT write what
follows immediately:

My words are being turned into words I never said, given meaning I
didn't
mean.

No one is changing anyhting yu said, but your choice of words in most
cases is a lot to be desired. Perhaps its that aragance or vindictive
style that reverberates through your posts thats doing you in Carol.
Welcome to USENET ... whoops, already said that.

It's almost like (?) only a few select people on rec.ponds are
allowed to express an opinion without what they say being used against
them in some way.

I guess if something has credence or a remote possibility to truth
then perhaps posts or statements you make may also be view in a
different manner, CArol.

I (Gail) wrote the following:
You haven't noticed I've been attacked here for
speaking up in favor of a moderated group? You're
not the only one being attacked. So has Jan. So has
Gill. So has Derek. Etc. Etc. And what is our crime?
Speaking out in favor of rec.ponds.moderated;
expressing opinions about how a new group should
function. Reasonable opinions, I will add.
[Gail's quote ends here]


Well what you call an attack is not what others form the looks of it
anyhow view as an attack, Its more of a dissagreement with you that yu
perceive to be a personal attack....BIG BIG Difference between view
and attack. Or is it yur asking to be attacked since it has not
happened and you just crave being viloated and attacked. I do belive
that may be the problem, especially since your such an attention whore
Carol.
I can see why so few regulars dare speak up about how they
feel about a moderated group.

Maybe they are just content to get what can be gottenwith the hopes it
will put a heavy duty set of binders / restraints on yuy CArol.


I (Gail) wrote the following:
"so few regulars"?? Most of the regulars I've known
in rec.ponds have not only spoken up here but are in
process of doing the real work of trying to set up a
moderated group. Or they're here getting involved in
the discussion, even though it opens them up to attack.
[Gail's quote ends here]

No one gets attacked here or any other place unless of course they
decide like a few of your fireind to toss their dog opff the porch and
into the fight.

Then I'm told to ignore and not reply to the
trolls and the very people who told me that are replying to them every
day.

You also ignored the plea to appologize and this would not have got
to where its at now Carol.

I [Gail] wrote the following:
It's good advice. The only reason - let me repeat
that - THE ONLY REASON I've engaged some of
the people I've engaged recently on rec.ponds is
because I believe strongly that creating
rec.ponds.moderated is the way to go. I'm
interested in the process, I'm involved in the process,
and I think I have an obligation to participate in the
process publicly, as I have been, despite that it
leaves me open to unfair attacks.
[Gail's quote ends here]

I really have not seen anyhtng that would really qualify as an attack
on yopu gail......just did not happen, or on anyone else either. If it
makes yu feel left out sayt so, I believe we can somehow oblige an
attack or two without even raising much of a sweat......

I [Gail] wrote the following:
Trust me when I tell you that some of the people I've
responded to in the past several weeks I would have
totally ignored, even killfiled, if the discussion at hand
weren't about creating a new group.
[Gail's quote ends here]

And I just bet I am among those few select individuals ;-) Makes me
proud to be a memeber here! ROFLMAO

I [Gail] wrote the following:
Therefore, unless there is a good reason to respond
to trolls, or trollish posts, you shouldn't. Of if you
respond, try to stay focussed on the topic at hand,
not past ills. If you take my advice as suggesting you
should stop posting, you're just not reading what
I've written.
[Gail's quote ends here]

Carol is not capable of staying focused especially when the expected
reply does not fit in the the view of what she has or thought it would
be. If yu say red and she expected blue, its an all out accusation of
fueding with her and attacking her. LOL what a hoot CArol is. I bet
doctors would give a bunch of money to get the opportiunity to disect
her brain, and try and cypher what made her function. LOL
Assuming the group is created you mean. Personally, I'm not convinced
yet.

Oh its more than likely gong to happen, why do yu think carol is
acting as she is acting with all the resent ment of it bening created.
Read between the lines she is an unhappy camper for sure.......she
knows up front she is not capable of having her reins get shortened
up, it wold crimp her style / habits.

I can see no reason it wouldn't be created.
--
ZB....
Creating problems on USENET Since it was open to the public
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

I strongly recommend, under rec.ponds.moderated
moderation policies, that any post submitted without
correct attributions be returned to sender. IMO
deliberately removing attributions, making it look as
though someone wrote something they did NOT write,
is the same as an attack, and attacks would not be
allowed under the most lenient of moderation policies.
If the sender wishes to correct the attributions and
resubmit the post, assuming content fits guidelines,
the post would be passed.

I would be interested in what others think of that idea.

Gail





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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:05:25 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Ahh...but how do you pick that up using robo-moderation software??? Just
asking....methinks Tristan is playing games here to test out what degree
of moderation is possible....(and probably not with malice) - all needs
to be considered....

I think that perhaps setting up something like an open google group
(takes a couple of minutes to do so) for people to bring up moderation
issues and allow consideration of stuff that might get overlooked would
be a good idea.....as long as those who joined in with this saw it as a
way of getting the best moderation policy possible from these guys who
have volunteered....we all play games with you guys...you get to know
what nefarious stuff might try to get past you....you learn from it and
posters get faith in what you will do.....possibly you might need to
make it visible to members only but not exclude anyone wanting to join -
I say this because if it gets heavy traffic which it probably will
people will find it on a search and see it as a bona fide group on
ponds....of course if someone gets very abusive you can ban them....Jim
knows all about the magic of the wand g

thoughts please????

Gill

There will be an RFD in news.groups.proposals in a few days. That would be
an ideal place to discuss moderation especially as it applies to
rec.ponds.moderated.

--
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help

Wow, old Gail the washed up old biddie from Texas thinks her shit does
not smell.......well lin a way its not as foul as Carols, but trust
me, Gail's shit is just as messy as Carols......But it appears Carol
at least has gonads and staying power unlike Gail.. Bye bye Gail.

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:20:37 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:


On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:52:38 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

snip lots of good stuff



My words are being turned into words I never said, given meaning I
didn't
mean. But I am really an asshole from San Antonio Texas area.

No one is changing anyhting you said, but your choice of words in most
cases is a lot to be desired. Perhaps its that aragance or vindictive
style that reverberates through your posts thats doing you in Carol.
Welcome to USENET ... whoops, already said that.

It's almost like (?) only a few select people on rec.ponds are
allowed to express an opinion without what they say being used against
them in some way. I am Gail a super mod selectee and I demand you all pay respect to me......


I (Gail) wrote: I guess if something has credence or a remote possibility to truth
then perhaps posts or statements you make may also be view in a
different manner, Carol.

I (Gail)did not write the following:
You haven't noticed I've been attacked here for
speaking up in favor of a moderated group? You're
not the only one being attacked. So has Jan. So has
Gill. So has Derek. Etc. Etc. And what is our crime?
Speaking out in favor of rec.ponds.moderated;
expressing opinions about how a new group should
function. Reasonable opinions, I will add.
[Gail's quote ends here] I am Gail and I demand these attacks to stop NOW! God DAM IT!


Well what you call an attack is not what others form the looks of it
anyhow view as an attack, Its more of a dissagreement with you that yu
perceive to be a personal attack....BIG BIG Difference between view
and attack. Or is it yur asking to be attacked since it has not
happened and you just crave being viloated and attacked. I do belive
that may be the problem, especially since your such an attention whore
Carol.
I can see why so few regulars dare speak up about how they
feel about a moderated group.

Maybe they are just content to get what can be gottenwith the hopes it
will put a heavy duty set of binders / restraints on yuy CArol.


I (Gail) wrote the following:
"so few regulars"?? Most of the regulars I've known
in rec.ponds have not only spoken up here but are in
process of doing the real work of trying to set up a
moderated group. Or they're here getting involved in
the discussion, even though it opens them up to attack by CArol Gulley.


No one gets attacked here or any other place unless of course they
decide like a few of your fireind to toss their dog opff the porch and
into the fight.

Then I'm told to ignore and not reply to the
trolls and the very people who told me that are replying to them every
day.

You also ignored the plea to appologize and this would not have got
to where its at now Carol.

I [Gail] wrote the following:
It's good advice. The only reason - let me repeat
that - THE ONLY REASON I've engaged some of
the people I've engaged recently on rec.ponds is
because I believe strongly that creating
rec.ponds.moderated is the way to go. I'm
interested in the process, I'm involved in the process,
and I think I have an obligation to participate in the
process publicly, as I have been, despite that it
leaves me open to unfair attacks. I will do what it takes to rid rec.ponds of Carol Gulley
[Gail's quote ends here]

I really have not seen anyhtng that would really qualify as an attack
on yopu gail......just did not happen, or on anyone else either. If it
makes yu feel left out sayt so, I believe we can somehow oblige an
attack or two without even raising much of a sweat......

I [Gail] wrote the following:
Trust me when I tell you that some of the people I've
responded to in the past several weeks I would have
totally ignored, even killfiled, if the discussion at hand
weren't about creating a new group. I for one think you need to be removed off the internet PERIOD!
[Gail's quote ends here]

And I just bet I am among those few select individuals ;-) Makes me
proud to be a memeber here! ROFLMAO....intent on ridding the usenet of CArol Gulley

I [Gail] wrote the following:
Therefore, unless there is a good reason to respond
to trolls, or Carols posts, you shouldn't. Of if you
respond, try to stay focussed on the topic at hand,
not past ills but stil tell Carol to go to hell. If you take my advice as suggesting you
should stop posting, you're just not reading what
I've written. We need to band together to rid USENET of Carol Gulley
[Gail's quote ends here]

Carol is not capable of staying focused especially when the expected
reply does not fit in the the view of what she has or thought it would
be. If yu say red and she expected blue, its an all out accusation of
fueding with her and attacking her. LOL what a hoot Carol is. I bet
doctors would give a bunch of money to get the opportiunity to disect
her brain, and try and cypher what made her function. LOL
Assuming the group is created you mean. Personally, I'm not convinced
yet.

Oh its more than likely gong to happen, why do yu think carol is
acting as she is acting with all the resent ment of it bening created.
Read between the lines she is an unhappy camper for sure.......she
knows up front she is not capable of having her reins get shortened
up, it wold crimp her style / habits.


ZB....
Creating problems on USENET Since it was open to the public
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
snip Carols little slice of the internet crap
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

I strongly recommend, under rec.ponds.moderated
moderation policies, that any post submitted without
correct attributions be returned to sender. IMO
deliberately removing attributions, making it look as
though someone wrote something they did NOT write,
is the same as an attack, and attacks would not be
allowed under the most lenient of moderation policies.
If the sender wishes to correct the attributions and
resubmit the post, assuming content fits guidelines,
the post would be passed. But I do not have the balls to continue on with what I started
as I am nothing but a ****ed up bitch from Texas with out a clue or a pond.
I would be interested in what others think of that idea.

Gail





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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:20:37 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:


On Sun,29 Apr 2007 17:52:38 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

snip lots of good and lots of trashy unsubstantiated junk

Please watch attributions. I (Gail) did write what
follows immediately: I and I alone am responsible for my words.



No one is changing anyhting yu said, but your choice of words in most
cases is a lot to be desired. Perhaps its that aragance or vindictive
style that reverberates through your posts thats doing you in Carol.
Welcome to USENET ... whoops, already said that.

It's almost like (?) only a few select people on rec.ponds are
allowed to express an opinion without what they say being used against
them in some way.

I guess if something has credence or a remote possibility to truth
then perhaps posts or statements you make may also be view in a
different manner, Carol.

I (Gail) wrote the following:
You haven't noticed I've been attacked here for
speaking up in favor of a moderated group? You're
not the only one being attacked. So has Jan. So has
Gill. So has Derek. Etc. Etc. And what is our crime?
Speaking out in favor of rec.ponds.moderated;
expressing opinions about how a new group should
function. Reasonable opinions, I will add.


I (Gail) wrote the following:
Well what you call an attack is not what others form the looks of it
anyhow view as an attack, Its more of a dissagreement with you that yu
perceive to be a personal attack....BIG BIG Difference between view
and attack. Or is it your asking to be attacked since it has not
happened and you just crave being viloated and attacked. I do belive
that may be the problem, especially since your such an attention whore
Carol.
I can see why so few regulars dare speak up about how they
feel about a moderated group.

Maybe they are just content to get what can be gottenwith the hopes it
will put a heavy duty set of binders / restraints on you Carol.



"so few regulars"?? Most of the regulars I've known
in rec.ponds have not only spoken up here but are in
process of doing the real work of trying to set up a
moderated group. Or they're here getting involved in
the discussion, even though it opens them up to attack.
[Gail's quote ends here]

No one gets attacked here or any other place unless of course they
decide like a few of your fireind to toss their dog opff the porch and
into the fight.

Then I'm told to ignore and not reply to the
trolls and the very people who told me that are replying to them every
day.

I [Gail] wrote the following:
It's good advice. The only reason - let me repeat
that - THE ONLY REASON I've engaged some of
the people I've engaged recently on rec.ponds is
because I believe strongly that creating
rec.ponds.moderated is the way to go. I'm
interested in the process, I'm involved in the process,
and I think I have an obligation to participate in the
process publicly, as I have been, despite that it
leaves me open to unfair attacks.
[Gail's quote ends here]

I really have not seen anyhtng that would really qualify as an attack
on yopu gail......just did not happen, or on anyone else either. If it
makes yu feel left out sayt so, I believe we can somehow oblige an
attack or two without even raising much of a sweat......

I [Gail] wrote the following:
Trust me when I tell you that some of the people I've
responded to in the past several weeks I would have
totally ignored, even killfiled, if the discussion at hand
weren't about creating a new group.
]

And I just bet I am among those few select individuals ;-) Makes me
proud to be a memeber here! ROFLMAO

I [Gail] wrote the following:
Therefore, unless there is a good reason to respond
to trolls, or trollish posts, you shouldn't. Of if you
respond, try to stay focussed on the topic at hand,
not past ills. If you take my advice as suggesting you
should stop posting, you're just not reading what
I've written.


Carol is not capable of staying focused especially when the expected
reply does not fit in the the view of what she has or thought it would
be. If yu say red and she expected blue, its an all out accusation of
fueding with her and attacking her. LOL what a hoot CArol is. I bet
doctors would give a bunch of money to get the opportiunity to disect
her brain, and try and cypher what made her function. LOL
Assuming the group is created you mean. Personally, I'm not convinced
yet.

Oh its more than likely gong to happen, why do yu think carol is
acting as she is acting with all the resent ment of it bening created.
Read between the lines she is an unhappy camper for sure.......she
knows up front she is not capable of having her reins get shortened
up, it wold crimp her style / habits.

I can see no reason it wouldn't be created.
--
ZB....
Creating problems on USENET Since it was open to the public
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

I strongly recommend, under rec.ponds.moderated
moderation policies, that any post submitted without
correct attributions be returned to sender. IMO
deliberately removing attributions, making it look as
though someone wrote something they did NOT write,
is the same as an attack, and attacks would not be
allowed under the most lenient of moderation policies.
If the sender wishes to correct the attributions and
resubmit the post, assuming content fits guidelines,
the post would be passed.

I would be interested in what others think of that idea.

Gail




Its plainly evident that there wa a hate grup in the works during the
time this message orignally was posted, that was working on some
behind the scene crap just to eliminate Carol from the usenet groups.
All started and conducted with the blessing of Ron and his selected
moderators......in their plan to aquire a mmoderated group with the
hopes of shutting out those they dissagree with.........Yet its the
main one that they were after that pulls the moderated group out of
the fire by answering the posts that are made since the moderators are
too busy to be concerned with the questions asked even though thery
read them when they pass them throught...And we all thought Gill and
Jan and Derek and the others knew so much about ponds and fish. wrong
they know nnothng baout ponds and ifsh only what they read and with
what they have in their backyard thats the extent of it, nothing
more.......no matter how they would like you to think they do.....No
wonder they can not handle a regular web based forum, they are losers
and know nothing so therefore would have to be doing all the asking
and that would give away their so called professional knowedge of fish
and ponds.....of which they know nothing.


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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Do you guys hear yourselfs?

I have a special place for poor lost souls like you.

http://www.midol.com/index.cfm

jthread wrote:
Do you guys hear yourselfs?

I have a special place for poor lost souls like you.

http://www.midol.com/index.cfm






This is just one idiot blabbing to himself !

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

wrote in message .. .
jthread wrote:
Do you guys hear yourselfs?

I have a special place for poor lost souls like you.

http://www.midol.com/index.cfm






This is just one idiot blabbing to himself !

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

I should know better than to feed the trolls. I'll stop

Looks like you guys know how to handle him so I'll just plonk him.

Oh shit not the dreaded poonk..oh no, no no
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

On Tue, 01 May 2007 01:03:03 GMT, "jthread" wrote:


wrote in message .. .
jthread wrote:
Do you guys hear yourselfs?

I have a special place for poor lost souls like you.

http://www.midol.com/index.cfm






This is just one idiot blabbing to himself !

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

I should know better than to feed the trolls. I'll stop

Looks like you guys know how to handle him so I'll just plonk him.




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!