Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

I have a koi with an unusual growth on its tail fin that looks like a
praying mantis egg sac. The fish also has hazy white areas on its
body. On its back there is a large opaque oval and I noticed some
smaller areas on its head. I first noticed issues with this fish in
the spring of 2005 and put it into a holding container with another
fish for several weeks as I dosed it with anti-bacterial and anti-
fungal medicines. It didn't seem to get better but upon closer look
it didn't seem like these white areas were disease, so I blew them off
as possibly an ugly batch of scales.

Now it's early 2007 and those white areas still exist and are possibly
larger but not substantially. The growth on the tail is something I
just noticed a few weeks ago and definitely is not healthy. I think
another of those growths exists on the underside of the fish near the
tail fin, but as you can imagine it's difficult to net and examine
this fish close up. The end of the fin itself seems to be diseased,
yet not in a way that would cause tearing.

If I had to take a guess I'd say this fish is at least 18" long and is
at least 2.5 years old and the other fish in the pond seem healthy.

Here are links to some photos:

The odd growth == http://s1974.home.comcast.net/sick_koi.JPG
The white region == http://s1974.home.comcast.net/sick_koi2.JPG

I have a feeling this isn't a bacterial infection, fungal disease, or
parasite because those issues should have spread to the other fish in
the 2 years that I've noticed odd health issues with this one. The
only other thing I can think of would be some sort of fish cancer, but
I'm not a vet so I have no clue.

Any ideas on what's going on? If so, what do I do about it?

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On 13 Feb 2007 18:17:37 -0800, "scs0" wrote:


Here are links to some photos:

The odd growth == http://s1974.home.comcast.net/sick_koi.JPG
The white region == http://s1974.home.comcast.net/sick_koi2.JPG

Great shots! Pictures worth a 1000 words as they say. I'm thinking
Lymphocystis... more commonly called Carp Pox or it could be columaris....

They can be contagious, but not easily. Usually, if Carp Pox they get
better or go away when the season changes and the water warms up, only to
come back in the fall. Do a search on those things and then decide your
course of treatment. ~ jan
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"scs0" wrote in message
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Any ideas on what's going on? If so, what do I do about it?
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Check this site:

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...phocystis.html

I had a beautiful deep yellow female diamond-scale butterfly koi with this
disease. It looked exactly like what your fish has. She would appear cured
at times but it always came back. She went to a farm stock pond rather than
keep her with the other fish and possibly infect them.
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Oh thats really good thinking there CArol. Push off yur sick or
diseased fish and put it in a farm pond out of sight out of mind and
let who ever has the farm pond worry about their fish coming down
with what ever the koi had if its communicable. At a minimum it should
have been euthanized and not dumped in another body of water, but
better yet, just like you told me, if you can not afford to take care
of your fish properly you should not have any..........you do
remember that statement don't you? Probably not, your suffering from
yet another bout of selective memory recall when things don't agree
with you. Yet your tract record of erroneous and bad advice predeeds
you as usual.

Looking at those pics my "Guess" is not worth a darn as I really d
not have a clue. None of my info from the university of Florida eveh
has anyhting like this listed, however its possible its an ulcer.
Short of finding a bona fide answer, I would dab it with some
potassium permanganate paste..Only do this one time, then apply some
panalog or other antibiotic ointment, and cover it with denture
powder. Yea sounds weird but if its an ulcer it will fix it. Let me
send the pics to a "fish doc" I know here locally and see what he
says.




On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:47:39 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"scs0" wrote in message
egroups.com...

Any ideas on what's going on? If so, what do I do about it?
===================================
Check this site:

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...phocystis.html

I had a beautiful deep yellow female diamond-scale butterfly koi with this
disease. It looked exactly like what your fish has. She would appear cured
at times but it always came back. She went to a farm stock pond rather than
keep her with the other fish and possibly infect them.



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"Tristan" wrote in message
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snip same old BS
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Who cares what you think when you tell people to break the law and shoot and
kill protected water birds such as herons?
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Here is the skinny

It has two possibilitys Koi herpes virus (KHV) / Carp Pox on that
tail.....as for the whitish film on scales, it could be a thicker
slime coat or it could be a poor section of scales but odds are its
due to Koi herpes virus (KHV) White spots on scales as such can be a
positive visual indicator for Koi Pox ....The fish is definately
stressed as there is lots of red streaks in the tail which is a good
indicator of stress or on set of a bacterial / viral infection. It
would be good to have a complete set of water parameters . Koi POx or
CArp POx can make fleshy warty growths on a fish as well but its not a
fatal disease. If it is Koi Herpes (KHV) its required to be reported
to the Dept of agriculture due to its seriousness. ONly one way to
really tell and that is to have it checked and have a scope done and
look for the herpes or pox virus.....

Check out Universtiy of Florida in regards toKoi herpes virus (KHV)
Info.

KHV is contagious so a QT is best. Mortaility is high with KHV....

Certainly not smart to arbitraily toss in a farm pond as another
stated as KHV is highly contagaious to other fish in that species be
it fat head minnows or goldfish.



On 13 Feb 2007 18:17:37 -0800, "scs0" wrote:

I have a koi with an unusual growth on its tail fin that looks like a
praying mantis egg sac. The fish also has hazy white areas on its
body. On its back there is a large opaque oval and I noticed some
smaller areas on its head. I first noticed issues with this fish in
the spring of 2005 and put it into a holding container with another
fish for several weeks as I dosed it with anti-bacterial and anti-
fungal medicines. It didn't seem to get better but upon closer look
it didn't seem like these white areas were disease, so I blew them off
as possibly an ugly batch of scales.

Now it's early 2007 and those white areas still exist and are possibly
larger but not substantially. The growth on the tail is something I
just noticed a few weeks ago and definitely is not healthy. I think
another of those growths exists on the underside of the fish near the
tail fin, but as you can imagine it's difficult to net and examine
this fish close up. The end of the fin itself seems to be diseased,
yet not in a way that would cause tearing.

If I had to take a guess I'd say this fish is at least 18" long and is
at least 2.5 years old and the other fish in the pond seem healthy.

Here are links to some photos:

The odd growth == http://s1974.home.comcast.net/sick_koi.JPG
The white region == http://s1974.home.comcast.net/sick_koi2.JPG

I have a feeling this isn't a bacterial infection, fungal disease, or
parasite because those issues should have spread to the other fish in
the 2 years that I've noticed odd health issues with this one. The
only other thing I can think of would be some sort of fish cancer, but
I'm not a vet so I have no clue.

Any ideas on what's going on? If so, what do I do about it?



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Great day, how did we go from koi herpes Virus to herons.your a bona
fide lunatic carol.......meltdown, meltdown, take action, lunatic on
the loose!


See, if we were on terms I would , show you my permit to harvest
herons , oh hell I ain't even gonna discuss it with you as it matters
not. What matters is finding an answer to this persons fish illness
and your beligerant belly acheing is not helping him any now is it. So
please go away and troll else where.

But I think yur totally off the wall tossing a highly contagious sick
fish into another persons pond and walking away from yur
responsibility, and possibly be the cause of a massive outbreak. YOu
got class CArol, real class, about as much class as the Nazi's did
during WWII . Your also a class act....and a fool!


On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:09:00 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Tristan" wrote in message
m...

snip same old BS
==========================
Who cares what you think when you tell people to break the law and shoot and
kill protected water birds such as herons?



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Zëbulon wrote:


Who cares what you think when you tell people to break the law and shoot
and kill protected water birds such as herons?

Shooting at herons is legal in the UK providing that the gun is licenced
- I'm not sure if there is a need to get a special licence to shoot at
herons but from what I've heard from someone who keeps a fishery in
Scotland it does not appear to be....and the whole question of shooting
herons has no relevance to the OP question about his sick fish.

The dumping of Koi and Goldfish is illegal over here even if they are
healthy.....the dumping of a diseased fish is even worse IMNSO and
totally irresponsible...

Gill

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

From what I've gathered my koi's problem may be:

Carp pox (aka Lymphocystis)
Or
Koi herpes


I'm unclear on whether or not Carp Pox and Koi Herpes are different
diseases or just the same name for the same thing.

I don't want to kill the fish, but it certainly sounds like I should
isolate this one. That's a bit of a pain considering the size these
fish are getting to, but one thing I learned is that these bigger fish
are much lazier and easier to catch than the impossible-to-catch
younger ones. I definitely don't want to contact the Department of
Agriculture. Government and environmental issues are a scary thing to
mix and I've heard the horror stories. I'd probably end up with 100
euthanized koi and a demolished pond. I'll be lucky if they don't
find a way to condemn my property altogether!


I would like to get out of this without the death of this fish. I've
never really liked its color patterns too much but that's a mean
reason to settle for its euthanization!

Don't worry; the last thing I'll do is release this fish into the wild
or any other body of water for that matter.

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"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:


Who cares what you think when you tell people to break the law and shoot
and kill protected water birds such as herons?

Shooting at herons is legal in the UK.......

The person who recommend the illegal killing of the birds lives in the USA,
not the UK. The country was not specified by Roy "Tristan" Hauer.

providing that the gun is licenced
- I'm not sure if there is a need to get a special licence to shoot at
herons but from what I've heard from someone who keeps a fishery in
Scotland it does not appear to be....and the whole question of shooting
herons has no relevance to the OP question about his sick fish.

Nor did the insulting TROLL post have any relevance to anthing to do with
ponds or fishkeeping.

The dumping of Koi and Goldfish is illegal over here even if they are
healthy....

That doesn't not apply to where I or the person who recommended the illegal
killing of protected birds live - the USA. The farm stock pond in question
is cleaned out constantly by predators. There is no way the fish can make
it to a waterway.

..the dumping of a diseased fish is even worse IMNSO and
totally irresponsible...

Of course it's worse in your opinion - I posted it. It's called "pack
attack." ;-) Your endless psychology to get rid of Roy "Tristan" Hauer's
trolling here by harassing me and constantly criticizing me isn't going to
work Gill so give it up. That's a nice girl. :-)))
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"scs0" wrote in message
oups.com...
From what I've gathered my koi's problem may be:

Carp pox (aka Lymphocystis)

Since it's lived so long it's probably pox. You can also check
www.koivet.com for more information on koi diseases.

Or
Koi herpes


I'm unclear on whether or not Carp Pox and Koi Herpes are different
diseases or just the same name for the same thing.

I don't want to kill the fish, but it certainly sounds like I should
isolate this one.

That's what I did with mine because of her beauty, but the pox always came
back. I finally decided she had to go.

That's a bit of a pain considering the size these
fish are getting to, but one thing I learned is that these bigger fish
are much lazier and easier to catch than the impossible-to-catch
younger ones. I definitely don't want to contact the Department of
Agriculture. Government and environmental issues are a scary thing to
mix and I've heard the horror stories. I'd probably end up with 100
euthanized koi and a demolished pond. I'll be lucky if they don't
find a way to condemn my property altogether!

Then separate the fish until you decide what to do with it. My fish was with
the others for months and none of them were infected with the pox. It
doesn't spread like wildfire. Even her fry were not infected. I kept a
healthy fry from her to replace her. It will be 2 years old in April and no
pox.

I would like to get out of this without the death of this fish. I've
never really liked its color patterns too much but that's a mean
reason to settle for its euthanization!

Don't worry; the last thing I'll do is release this fish into the wild
or any other body of water for that matter.
--
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
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How long a fish lives is irrevelant , and has no bearing on it. A fish
can catch either disease at any age, however its more likely to catch
one before the other at a younger age. One goes away with temps, but
is most likely to reoccur. That fish is totally stressed out as is
easily seen by the read streaks in tail. Since that warty looking mass
of flesh was not there earlier that pretty well leave sout the once
disease, along with the patch or white that refuses to go away,
somehow I am just lead to belive that fish is a total mess and is
doomed.... Your right, it needs to be quarantined, and not dumped in
someone else pond to get it out of sight.

Do a search on both deseases, for your self without any intervention
by opposed parties here on the usenet groups. If you come up with more
questions ask. As no one wants to loose a fish either, it is not hard
to get into a no win situation with not really knowing what is wrong
with the fish, and two, not having professionals around to diagnose it
properly and that entails a patholgy type test, not a simple visual
look see in a picture. Then comes expense to cure if its possible to
cure the problem and a means to do it. Is it really worth while to QT
a fish long term or is it better overall to bite the bullet and
euthanize. As good as your images are, its hard to say one way or the
other and any one reallay saying its this or that for sure is
guessing. Not the wisest choice of info to take. I threw a post on a
wellknown koi forum, not wanting to have a simple or easy diagnosis
go unchecked if there is such a thing, and as much as I do not want to
take away potential posters from this group I am looking at the ebst
interests for your fish overall. In anothe rpost I will make entitled
Consensus of sick Koi, you can read what replies have been made and
make your own decison, but just remember, only 100% real way to know
is a pathological test for the type of virus....no wild a$$ guess is
effective and its a shot in the dark. If you choose that decision or
advice is yoiur option, and no one is gonna find fault wityh you for
doing what you think is right, wellthat is except forone person here
who advises to toss it ina farm pond.
Let me gopy paste the replies and make that post and then you can see
yet more opinions some of which are made by professionals in the world
of KOI.

Regards

On 14 Feb 2007 11:17:56 -0800, "scs0" wrote:

From what I've gathered my koi's problem may be:

Carp pox (aka Lymphocystis)
Or
Koi herpes


I'm unclear on whether or not Carp Pox and Koi Herpes are different
diseases or just the same name for the same thing.

I don't want to kill the fish, but it certainly sounds like I should
isolate this one. That's a bit of a pain considering the size these
fish are getting to, but one thing I learned is that these bigger fish
are much lazier and easier to catch than the impossible-to-catch
younger ones. I definitely don't want to contact the Department of
Agriculture. Government and environmental issues are a scary thing to
mix and I've heard the horror stories. I'd probably end up with 100
euthanized koi and a demolished pond. I'll be lucky if they don't
find a way to condemn my property altogether!


I would like to get out of this without the death of this fish. I've
never really liked its color patterns too much but that's a mean
reason to settle for its euthanization!

Don't worry; the last thing I'll do is release this fish into the wild
or any other body of water for that matter.



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Totally assinine information given by an obnoxious individual that
thinks they know all but really knows very little. This person is
notorious for passing out erroneous info and any info given by her
should not be trusted to even be inline with what was asked or
relavant to the situation. In most folks opinions its better to do
without informaiton by this person than to chance usuing any of it.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:20:12 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"scs0" wrote in message
legroups.com...
From what I've gathered my koi's problem may be:

Carp pox (aka Lymphocystis)

Since it's lived so long it's probably pox. You can also check
www.koivet.com for more information on koi diseases.

Or
Koi herpes


I'm unclear on whether or not Carp Pox and Koi Herpes are different
diseases or just the same name for the same thing.

I don't want to kill the fish, but it certainly sounds like I should
isolate this one.

That's what I did with mine because of her beauty, but the pox always came
back. I finally decided she had to go.


Yea put the fish insoomeone elses pond and let them catch the
aftereffects...Really nice compasionate and reliable individual is
what yu are CArol....I assume its safe to say you would push your ownn
mother out ino the streets if she became a leper so you would not
have to deal with it. Your a real gem carol one of a kind!

That's a bit of a pain considering the size these
fish are getting to, but one thing I learned is that these bigger fish
are much lazier and easier to catch than the impossible-to-catch
younger ones. I definitely don't want to contact the Department of
Agriculture. Government and environmental issues are a scary thing to
mix and I've heard the horror stories. I'd probably end up with 100
euthanized koi and a demolished pond. I'll be lucky if they don't
find a way to condemn my property altogether!

Then separate the fish until you decide what to do with it. My fish was with
the others for months and none of them were infected with the pox. It
doesn't spread like wildfire. Even her fry were not infected. I kept a
healthy fry from her to replace her. It will be 2 years old in April and no
pox.

I would like to get out of this without the death of this fish. I've
never really liked its color patterns too much but that's a mean
reason to settle for its euthanization!

Don't worry; the last thing I'll do is release this fish into the wild
or any other body of water for that matter.



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"Zëbulon"

The dumping of Koi and Goldfish is illegal over here even if they are
healthy....

That doesn't not apply to where I or the person who recommended the
illegal killing of protected birds live - the USA.



Releasing (dumping) non native fish in the U.S . is most certainly illegal
and punishable by a hefty fine.
Knowingly releasing diseased fish is a criminal act punishable by a fine
plus possible jail time.
Ecosystems have been devastated by the introduction of non-native species
and diseases to which native species have have no immunity.

Consensus of Sick Koi was ---- Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

Here is the copy pastes of opinions and advice of some others in a
well run troll free forum that has lots of professional koi health
practitioners known in the world of KOI.....Names of posters have been
X'd out but they are professionals and not quacks. I am not saying
that there is not folks in the rec.p[onds group that are not capable,
but right now participation due to trolls and folks like carol Gulley
aka Zebulon makes conducting anything almost impossible to help people
out. Best of luck to you.
==================================

The tail looks like koi pox and the fish is very stressed as you can
see from the red streaks in the tail.

The second pic isn't clear. It could have a thicker slime coat causing
the whitish film. Have they been tested for parasites?

What's the water temp and pH and are they stable?


xxxxxx
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Hmmm. I don't know xxxxx....that lesion on the tail sure looks more
like a tumor or lymphocystis. See the texutre of it and the color? Pox
is usually just opaque and flatter. Seems to be more of this thing
going on......viral....and hard to "cure".
What kind of water temperature is this fish kept in? Pox will clear in
warmer water usually.
Most specimens(not all) I have seen with this flat wide whitened
(viral poxy type) area have not been kept in good water.
If it is not getting smaller (especially if they live in an area where
the temperature changes with the seasons) but bigger, I would expect
lymphocystis or cancer.

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I have to agree with xxx.....the tail looks like a cancerous growth
to me.


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Member No.: 95



I also agree with xxxxx and xxxxx, that the taol looks like a
tumorous growth.

From the very few cases I've seen of on freshwater fish and the
numerous ones that I've seen on sal****er fish ....Lymphocystis
usually just forms a whitish cauliflower like growth, with out the red
inflammation.

The dorsal spot is probably pox but but it reminds me of Hikui, but
that usually just shows up on beni, so I'm not sure what it is\


xxxx


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Maybe I had wrong advice with my fish. Years ago, I had a fish with a
lesion that looked just like that only at the joint of the pec fin. It
as also red. I was told it was koi pox and it would come and go with
temp changes. I could never figure out why the lump never went away.
Sorry for the wrong advice.


xxxxxxxxx


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Posts: 527
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From: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Member No.: 95



xxxxx, not all that wrong............ if you look at the edge of the
fin those growths are pox..............overall this fish has problems

xx

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Thanks, xxx

So the main difference in telling a tumor from pox is the red veining?
Does location have anything to do with it?


xxxxxxxxxxx
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xxxxx

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QUOTE(xxxxxx @ Feb 14 2007, 09:56 AM)
Thanks,xxxxxxxxxx

So the main difference in telling a tumor from pox is the red veining?
Does location have anything to do with it?



1st off unless a path lab did some testing, we're giving opinions
here, not fact........If you look at the fin edge and then the growth
they really do not like alike. The growth has very definate edges and
the growths at the fin edges kind of blend back into the fin. Both
have some veining and inflammation. If you blow the second pic up the
anal fin also has some growth on it...overall this fish is a mess

xxxxxxx
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Well unfortunately that law does not apply to Queen Bee Carol Gulley,
She makes the rules up that she follows as she goes along to suit her
needs. She is immune from wrong doings as is plainly seen in the last
round of troll posts made in the various aquaria and reef groups under
my user name.............



On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:24:41 GMT, "Killjoy" wrote:


"Zëbulon"

The dumping of Koi and Goldfish is illegal over here even if they are
healthy....

That doesn't not apply to where I or the person who recommended the
illegal killing of protected birds live - the USA.



Releasing (dumping) non native fish in the U.S . is most certainly illegal
and punishable by a hefty fine.
Knowingly releasing diseased fish is a criminal act punishable by a fine
plus possible jail time.
Ecosystems have been devastated by the introduction of non-native species
and diseases to which native species have have no immunity.




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"Killjoy" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Zëbulon"

The dumping of Koi and Goldfish is illegal over here even if they are
healthy....

That doesn't not apply to where I or the person who recommended the
illegal killing of protected birds live - the USA.



Releasing (dumping) non native fish in the U.S . is most certainly
illegal and punishable by a hefty fine.

Of course it is. That's why they go to a 3000g farm pond. No different
than keeping them in my pond.

Knowingly releasing diseased fish is a criminal act punishable by a fine
plus possible jail time.

Of course. Is is also illegal to keep them in your own pond? Is that a
criminal act? What the difference between our ornamental ponds and farm
stock ponds? Why is it legal to keep them in an ornamental pond and not a
stock pond?

Ecosystems

A man-made stock pond is an ecosystem but an ornamental pond isn't?

have been devastated by the introduction of non-native species
and diseases to which native species have have no immunity.

That's why no one dumps them in the rivers or lake, at least to my
knowledge. :-)))
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"Zëbulon"

Releasing (dumping) non native fish in the U.S . is most certainly
illegal and punishable by a hefty fine.

Of course it is. That's why they go to a 3000g farm pond. No different
than keeping them in my pond.

Even farm ponds frequently contain native species which could be adversely
affected . Your pond only contains ornamental fish.
Jesus you are clueless.

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Well said



On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:03:28 GMT, "Killjoy" wrote:


"Zëbulon"

Releasing (dumping) non native fish in the U.S . is most certainly
illegal and punishable by a hefty fine.

Of course it is. That's why they go to a 3000g farm pond. No different
than keeping them in my pond.

Even farm ponds frequently contain native species which could be adversely
affected . Your pond only contains ornamental fish.
Jesus you are clueless.








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"Killjoy" wrote in message
k.net...

"Zëbulon"

Releasing (dumping) non native fish in the U.S . is most certainly
illegal and punishable by a hefty fine.

Of course it is. That's why they go to a 3000g farm pond. No different
than keeping them in my pond.

Even farm ponds frequently contain native species

Even our ornamental ponds frequently contain native species as well.

which could be adversely
affected .

As they would be in our ornamental ponds. Do you suggest we outlaw koi and
goldfish keeping because native species are often found in our ornamental
ponds?

Your pond only contains ornamental fish.
Jesus you are clueless.

No it doesn't. I've found sunfish fry in my 2000g pond.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph are YOU clueless.........
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"Killjoy" wrote in message
k.net...

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BTW.... troll "pack attacks" don't work with me, so don't waste your time.
:-)
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"Zëbulon"
Even our ornamental ponds frequently contain native species as well.


And are they allowed to thrive and reproduce?


Do you suggest we outlaw koi and
goldfish keeping because native species are often found in our ornamental
ponds?

if native trout, bass, etc. populations become adversely effected because of
irresponsible people like yourself..........who knows?

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Zëbulon wrote:



Nor did the insulting TROLL post have any relevance to anthing to do
with ponds or fishkeeping.

Well, actually he did....and posted a very good diagnosis and advice
that he went out and researched....but hey, ho that counts for nothing...


That doesn't not apply to where I or the person who recommended the
illegal killing of protected birds live - the USA. The farm stock pond
in question is cleaned out constantly by predators. There is no way the
fish can make it to a waterway.

I think that you might find that the dumping of diseased fish where they
can infect others is probably illegal....if not it should be....



.the dumping of a diseased fish is even worse IMNSO and

totally irresponsible...


Of course it's worse in your opinion - I posted it. It's called "pack
attack." ;-) Your endless psychology to get rid of Roy "Tristan"
Hauer's trolling here by harassing me and constantly criticizing me
isn't going to work Gill so give it up. That's a nice girl. :-)))


So now you take me saying that I view the dumping of diseased fish onto
someone else as "pack mentality" I think that you might find that is
common sense and the opinion of anyone with any morals whatsoever and
has absolutely nothing to do with anything else. Listen up here....and
this is me speaking....

THE DUMPING OF A DISEASED FISH INTO SOMEONE ELSES POND/LOCATION OR INTO
THE ENVIRONMENT IS WRONG AND IRRESPOSONSIBLE.....IT WILL LEAD TO THE
SPREAD OF DISEASE AND INFECTION ON A SCALE ONLY STARTED TO BE IMAGINED
BY OUR RESPECTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCIES....THIS IS WHY DISEASES OF THIS
KIND ARE NOTIFIABLE....

This is not an attack on you....just on the advice that you gave the OP
to just go dump the fish so it is no longer his problem....ever wonder
why we have so many issues in our environment????? It is people who just
go out and "dump" stuff and then turn their backs and forget
it....usually these will be the same people who will go out and complain
that nothing is being done about improving the health of fish and our
environment without taking any responsibility for their own actions....

This, I will say yet again, is not a "pack attack" it is an attack on
someone who sees it as OK to just go out and dump a diseased fish and
make it everyone elses problem

Gill

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"Killjoy" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Zëbulon"
Even our ornamental ponds frequently contain native species as well.


And are they allowed to thrive and reproduce?

No one stops them. Why are YOU so interested in what lives and breeds in
man-made ponds both ornamental and stock?

Do you suggest we outlaw koi and
goldfish keeping because native species are often found in our ornamental
ponds?

if native trout, bass, etc.

Native trout, bass etc don't usually turn up in stock ponds and ornamental
ponds. And what if they do? What if they're dropped as eggs in large mud
puddles that soon dry up? Are we to outlaw mud puddles after rainstorms?

populations become adversely effected because of
irresponsible people like yourself..

All of us who find sunfish are irresponsible because they appear in our
ornamental ponds? How do you propose us pond keepers keep them out? Fill
in our ponds and grow rose gardens? ;-) LOL!!!

.........who knows?

You know. You're just trolling. ;-)
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Chill out carol your stuttering there girl.......go grab those
meds........ Talk about diseases, yur diseased carol.......I think you
have to be in the later stages of syphllis and its working on your
brain cells as we speak....................Get help, don;t let your
past abuses and lifestyles cut your life short!

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:27:40 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:



Nor did the insulting TROLL post have any relevance to anthing to do with
ponds or fishkeeping.

Well, actually he did....and posted a very good diagnosis and advice that
he went out and researched....but hey, ho that counts for nothing...

But hey, ho.... why troll and insult people while he does it?

That doesn't not apply to where I or the person who recommended the
illegal killing of protected birds live - the USA. The farm stock pond
in question is cleaned out constantly by predators. There is no way the
fish can make it to a waterway.

I think that you might find that the dumping of diseased fish where they
can infect others is probably illegal....if not it should be...

Right. That's why I don't "dump" diseased fish in lakes and waterways nor do
I recommend people shoot and kill protected bird species. I don't have
"diseased" fish. I had one with what someone who knows a lot more about fish
than I do diagnosed as pox.

.the dumping of a diseased fish is even worse IMNSO and

totally irresponsible...

Right. So is the illegal shooting of protected birds here in the USA. Don't
you agree telling people to kill them illegally is totally irresponsible?
Sure you do! ;-) But god forbid you say it and he'll be right at your
throat again - as we both know it.

Of course it's worse in your opinion - I posted it. It's called "pack
attack." ;-) Your endless psychology to get rid of Roy "Tristan"
Hauer's trolling here by harassing me and constantly criticizing me isn't
going to work Gill so give it up. That's a nice girl. :-)))

So now you take me saying that I view the dumping of diseased fish

No one dumped "diseased" fish anywhere - and you want to be a moderator?

onto
someone else as "pack mentality" I think that you might find that is
common sense and the opinion of anyone with any morals whatsoever and has
absolutely nothing to do with anything else. Listen up here....and this is
me speaking....

Who dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?
How many "diseased" fish did they dump and where did they dump them?

THE DUMPING OF A DISEASED FISH INTO SOMEONE ELSES POND/LOCATION OR INTO
THE ENVIRONMENT IS WRONG AND IRRESPOSONSIBLE.....IT WILL LEAD TO THE
SPREAD OF DISEASE AND INFECTION ON A SCALE ONLY STARTED TO BE IMAGINED BY
OUR RESPECTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCIES....THIS IS WHY DISEASES OF THIS KIND
ARE NOTIFIABLE....

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?
How many "diseased" fish did they dump and where did they dump them? You
didn't answer the question Gill about what the difference is of a koi with
pox in my holding tank or a small man made small stock pond. Why do you
avoid replying?


This is not an attack on you....

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?

just on the advice that you gave the OP
to just go dump the fish so it is no longer his problem....

Where did I tell him to DUMP the fish in some water way or lake? Why do you
harass and twist everything I post? Wait, I know... it's to discredit
everything I say and run me off to stop Roy Tristan Hauer from destroying
any more groups.

ever wonder
why we have so many issues in our environment?????

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor? I
want an answer since I don't dump DISEASED fish. I want you to tell me what
the difference is between my ponds and the farm stock pond that makes THAT
pond so dangerous and mine so safe when the same frogs, turtles etc. go from
place to place. You'll just ignore my question as usual.

It is people who just
go out and "dump" stuff and then turn their backs and forget it....
WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?
usually these will be the same people who will go out and complain
that nothing is being done about improving the health of fish and our
environment without taking any responsibility for their own actions....

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?

This, I will say yet again, is not a "pack attack" it is an attack on
someone who sees it as OK to just go out and dump a diseased fish and make
it everyone elses problem

You're making it sound like this fish was put in our waterways or a lake -
why are you doing this twisting of the truth Gill except to accomplish what
you told me on the phone? They don't get lower than you Gill. You couldn't
care less that your new troll friend tells people to kill our American birds
but you go ballistic on me for putting this one fish in a small stock pond
far from any water source ....... I told you on the phone Gill, your
psychology wont wont with me. Find another way to control your mad dog.


Zeb.......
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
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"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:



Nor did the insulting TROLL post have any relevance to anthing to do with
ponds or fishkeeping.

Well, actually he did....and posted a very good diagnosis and advice that
he went out and researched....but hey, ho that counts for nothing...

But hey, ho.... why troll and insult people while he does it?

That doesn't not apply to where I or the person who recommended the
illegal killing of protected birds live - the USA. The farm stock pond
in question is cleaned out constantly by predators. There is no way the
fish can make it to a waterway.

I think that you might find that the dumping of diseased fish where they
can infect others is probably illegal....if not it should be...

Right. That's why I don't "dump" diseased fish in lakes and waterways nor do
I recommend people shoot and kill protected bird species. I don't have
"diseased" fish. I had one with what someone who knows a lot more about fish
than I do diagnosed as pox.

.the dumping of a diseased fish is even worse IMNSO and

totally irresponsible...

Right. So is the illegal shooting of protected birds here in the USA. Don't
you agree telling people to kill them illegally is totally irresponsible?
Sure you do! ;-) But god forbid you say it and he'll be right at your
throat again - as we both know it.

Of course it's worse in your opinion - I posted it. It's called "pack
attack." ;-) Your endless psychology to get rid of Roy "Tristan"
Hauer's trolling here by harassing me and constantly criticizing me isn't
going to work Gill so give it up. That's a nice girl. :-)))

So now you take me saying that I view the dumping of diseased fish

No one dumped "diseased" fish anywhere - and you want to be a moderator?

onto
someone else as "pack mentality" I think that you might find that is
common sense and the opinion of anyone with any morals whatsoever and has
absolutely nothing to do with anything else. Listen up here....and this is
me speaking....

Who dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?
How many "diseased" fish did they dump and where did they dump them?

THE DUMPING OF A DISEASED FISH INTO SOMEONE ELSES POND/LOCATION OR INTO
THE ENVIRONMENT IS WRONG AND IRRESPOSONSIBLE.....IT WILL LEAD TO THE
SPREAD OF DISEASE AND INFECTION ON A SCALE ONLY STARTED TO BE IMAGINED BY
OUR RESPECTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCIES....THIS IS WHY DISEASES OF THIS KIND
ARE NOTIFIABLE....

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?
How many "diseased" fish did they dump and where did they dump them? You
didn't answer the question Gill about what the difference is of a koi with
pox in my holding tank or a small man made small stock pond. Why do you
avoid replying?


This is not an attack on you....

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?

just on the advice that you gave the OP
to just go dump the fish so it is no longer his problem....

Where did I tell him to DUMP the fish in some water way or lake? Why do you
harass and twist everything I post? Wait, I know... it's to discredit
everything I say and run me off to stop Roy Tristan Hauer from destroying
any more groups.

ever wonder
why we have so many issues in our environment?????

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor? I
want an answer since I don't dump DISEASED fish. I want you to tell me what
the difference is between my ponds and the farm stock pond that makes THAT
pond so dangerous and mine so safe when the same frogs, turtles etc. go from
place to place. You'll just ignore my question as usual.

It is people who just
go out and "dump" stuff and then turn their backs and forget it....
WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?
usually these will be the same people who will go out and complain
that nothing is being done about improving the health of fish and our
environment without taking any responsibility for their own actions....

WHO dumped all these "diseased" fish Gill? You? Your friend? A neighbor?

This, I will say yet again, is not a "pack attack" it is an attack on
someone who sees it as OK to just go out and dump a diseased fish and make
it everyone elses problem

You're making it sound like this fish was put in our waterways or a lake -
why are you doing this twisting of the truth Gill except to accomplish what
you told me on the phone? They don't get lower than you Gill. You couldn't
care less that your new troll friend tells people to kill our American birds
but you go ballistic on me for putting this one fish in a small stock pond
far from any water source ....... I told you on the phone Gill, your
psychology wont wont with me. Find another way to control your mad dog.


Zeb.......
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rec.ponder since late 1996.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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"Zëbulon"
No one stops them. Why are YOU so interested in what lives and breeds in
man-made ponds both ornamental and stock?

What interested me was someone dumping diseased non-native fish where they
don't belong. Nothing more.

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Yet more admittance to Carol being the troller and trasher of the reef
group...... Sick person indeed is what Carol is!

Carol can not grasp the idea or thought, that people can actually get
along justs fine without fights and big bouts of paranoia. Its a sign
CArol is sick, but in carols eyes, she is the only sane person
everyone else that can get along is sick! I can't blame Killjoy for
not getting involved any more tnan they did, there is more to do that
banter with a lunatic........Once again carol hates to be proved she
is wrong, as she will have a meltdown, go off to her sock puppet
factory and create new frieinds and come back and trash any offnder or
group in the name of Zebulon the Queen Bee of Trolls!

Sick sick sick carol gulley One really sick puppy is what carol is.


On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:44:06 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
..
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Tell me again Gill that your friend isn't obsessed with me! LOL!!! Do you
guys actually think this going to work? I can't imagine how you'll keep
coming up with excuses for him...... I added your other group since you
mentioned you wanted them to know what was really going on in rec.ponds with
Roy "Tristan" Hauer and why that group is being trolled because of him.

Roy "Tristan" Hauer - net-stalker of Carol, Gail and Tara.
wrote in message
m...


Chill out carol your stuttering there girl.......go grab those
meds........ Talk about diseases, yur diseased carol.......I think you
have to be in the later stages of syphllis and its working on your
brain cells as we speak....................Get help, don;t let your
past abuses and lifestyles cut your life short!



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"Killjoy" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Zëbulon"
No one stops them. Why are YOU so interested in what lives and breeds in
man-made ponds both ornamental and stock?

What interested me was someone dumping diseased non-native fish where
they don't belong. Nothing more.
=================
What DISEASED fish were dumped where they don't belong? You still haven't
replied why it's so dangerous for a koi with pox to be in a man made stock
pond but it's not dangerous for it to be a man made ornamental pond. Why
don't you answer the question? What is the difference between the two ponds
except my ponds are filtered and the stock pond isn't.

I see you don't have an answer do you? You just jumped right on the
bandwagon. ;-)
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See that Killjoy, all those statements in these psts in regards to
carol being a sick individual is factual...She is one sick
puppy..........All you did is dissagree and look at how she is having
a meltdwon and jumping onyur case. Your not entitled to an opiinion if
it is not in align with CArol Gulleys. However if you would have
stated........Yea, dump those sick fish in someone elses pond and let
them deal with it, you woulf be held in high esteem by Carol.......but
unfortunately you took the proper stance adn seen the proper way to
handle things, and now carol is going to make yuu pay the price of
dissagreeing with her even if you no longer pst in regards to that
thread........she will not miss the first opportunity to jump and
trash you in any other group or post.
Regards and thanks for being one more sane individual. Hang in there
the moderated group is coming.......and then no more bullshit like
carol serves up.......Arguing or trying to hold a conversation with
carol is like trying to hold a conversation wirth a rock......and
actually that would be a more logical choice and be more productive.




On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:53:22 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Killjoy" wrote in message
thlink.net...

"Zëbulon"
No one stops them. Why are YOU so interested in what lives and breeds in
man-made ponds both ornamental and stock?

What interested me was someone dumping diseased non-native fish where
they don't belong. Nothing more.
=================
What DISEASED fish were dumped where they don't belong? You still haven't
replied why it's so dangerous for a koi with pox to be in a man made stock
pond but it's not dangerous for it to be a man made ornamental pond. Why
don't you answer the question? What is the difference between the two ponds
except my ponds are filtered and the stock pond isn't.

I see you don't have an answer do you? You just jumped right on the
bandwagon. ;-)



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"Zëbulon" wrote in message =================
What DISEASED fish were dumped where they don't belong?



"I had a beautiful deep yellow female diamond-scale butterfly koi with this
disease. It looked exactly like what your fish has. She would appear cured
at times but it always came back. She went to a farm stock pond rather than
keep her with the other fish and possibly infect them."


sound familiar?

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using CArol Gulleys aka Zebulons logic to answer your post it would go
like this.

Why are you attacking me.I did not say that. Your pack trolling me in
conjunction with Tristan, Jan and Gill. I am a professional that knows
more about fish than they will ever know, and I do not lie, they are
forgeing headers to m ake it look like I said things I did not. Nww
quit stalkiing and trolling me like Tristan and his socks do.

Carol is a real hoot huh? Its cheap entertainment and a freebie bonus
to usuiing USENET.Real Live entertainment., Were taking up a
collection so we can get her a web cam so we can actually see her when
she has a meltdown and gets to upset with posts that do not agree with
hers......That alone ought to be offered by ISP's in their premium
servce packages.......Its priceless!

Oh, and just to reinterate..carol never said those words, someone
forged her post to make her look STOOOOOOOOOOPID!


On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:58:13 GMT, "Killjoy" wrote:


"Zëbulon" wrote in message =================
What DISEASED fish were dumped where they don't belong?



"I had a beautiful deep yellow female diamond-scale butterfly koi with this
disease. It looked exactly like what your fish has. She would appear cured
at times but it always came back. She went to a farm stock pond rather than
keep her with the other fish and possibly infect them."


sound familiar?




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"Tristan" wrote

Were taking up a
collection so we can get her a web cam so we can actually see her when
she has a meltdown !

I don't know why but that actually made me laugh out loud.

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Zëbulon wrote:

"scs0" wrote in message
ups.com...


Any ideas on what's going on? If so, what do I do about it?

===================================
Check this site:

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...phocystis.html

I had a beautiful deep yellow female diamond-scale butterfly koi with
this disease. It looked exactly like what your fish has. She would
appear cured at times but it always came back. She went to a farm stock
pond rather than keep her with the other fish and possibly infect them.

This is what you said....this is suggesting someone go dump a fish
somewhere else....by disagreeing with this I am not trolling you or
carrying out anything you have going on in your head....I am saying that
this is irresponsible and bad advice....You sent her to a pond where she
would/could infect other fish....but not yours......you should have
taken the responsible action of euthanising this fish not releasing it
elsewhere to infect others.....

You just don't get it do you....

Gill

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"Killjoy" wrote in message
k.net...

"Zëbulon" wrote in message =================
What DISEASED fish were dumped where they don't belong?



"I had a beautiful deep yellow female diamond-scale butterfly koi with
this
disease. It looked exactly like what your fish has. She would appear cured
at times but it always came back. She went to a farm stock pond rather
than
keep her with the other fish and possibly infect them."

sound familiar?

That was one fish. You still haven't
replied why it's so dangerous for a koi with pox to be in a man made stock
pond but it's not dangerous for it to be a man made ornamental pond. Why
don't you answer the question? What is the difference between the two ponds
except my ponds are filtered and the stock pond isn't.

I see you don't have an answer do you? You just jumped right on the
bandwagon. ;-)

--
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"Killjoy" wrote in message
nk.net...
I don't know why but that actually made me laugh out loud.
===========================
You still haven't answered the question as to why it's so dangerous for a
koi with pox to be in a man made stock
pond but it's not dangerous for it to be a man made ornamental pond. Why
don't you answer the question? What is the difference between the two ponds
except my ponds are filtered and the stock pond isn't.

I see you don't have an answer do you? You just jumped right on the
bandwagon. ;-)

--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
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"Tristan" wrote in message
...


Yet more admittance to Carol being the troller and trasher of the reef
group...... Sick person indeed is what Carol is!
===============================
Why are YOU trashing this group? Sick person indeed is what Roy Tristan is!
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Its already been done along with her name, addrress and phone
number.......

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:47:02 GMT, "Killjoy" wrote:


"Zëbulon" wrote in message
===========================
You still haven't answered the question as to why it's so dangerous for a
koi with pox to be in a man made stock
pond but it's not dangerous for it to be a man made ornamental pond. Why
don't you answer the question? What is the difference between the two
ponds
except my ponds are filtered and the stock pond isn't.


Perhaps someone could forward your post about dumping a diseased non-native
fish in a farm pond to the Tennessee fish and wildlife office and let them
explain it to you.




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"Zëbulon" wrote in message
===========================
You still haven't answered the question as to why it's so dangerous for a
koi with pox to be in a man made stock
pond but it's not dangerous for it to be a man made ornamental pond. Why
don't you answer the question? What is the difference between the two
ponds
except my ponds are filtered and the stock pond isn't.


Perhaps someone could forward your post about dumping a diseased non-native
fish in a farm pond to the Tennessee fish and wildlife office and let them
explain it to you.

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

Kissy poo poo carol, your loosing it girl, come here give old roy a
kiss and a hug and tell him how much you really value his advice and
attitude. Admit it girl your just playing hard to get......

Oh, we got enough money for a camera so we wil be sending it to you.
We have a topken ISP that agreed to host your escapades and be the
firstb in internet / usenet history to get a actual live film coverage
of a old grannie having a melt down.....were gonna be rich on this
deal girl! So jusr conserve yur energies, and save it for whenthat
camera gets there and have the ultimate meltdown.......we can always
make a sequel as we know one meltdown is not sufficieint to take the
queen bee herself out of action..

Oh and happy valentines day girl.........




On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:57:33 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Zëbulon wrote:

"scs0" wrote in message
ups.com...


Any ideas on what's going on? If so, what do I do about it?

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Check this site:

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...phocystis.html

I had a beautiful deep yellow female diamond-scale butterfly koi with
this disease. It looked exactly like what your fish has. She would appear
cured at times but it always came back. She went to a farm stock pond
rather than keep her with the other fish and possibly infect them.
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This is what you said....this is suggesting someone go dump a fish
somewhere else..

No, the "suggestion" is all in your mind. I "suggested" no such thing. I
said what I did with my fish.

..by disagreeing with this I am not trolling you or
carrying out anything you have going on in your head...

The stop claiming I'm "suggesting" anything. I said what I did with my fish.
OMG... what would you have done had he had a heron problem and I told him to
shoot and kill it!!!!! :-O

.I am saying that
this is irresponsible and bad advice....

There is NO ADVICE. I said what I did with my fish.

You sent her to a pond where she
would/could infect other fish....but not yours.....

What other fish? What other fish did you see in that small stock pond when
you came her to check it?

.you should have
taken the responsible action of euthanising this fish not releasing it
elsewhere to infect others.....

Other what? What other fish did you see in that small stock pond when you
came here to TN (USA) to check it? Are you going to claim you came all the
way from the UK and SAW other fish in the small stock pond? What's the
difference except for filtration between the stock pond and my pond? I
notice not one of you will answer that. You will keep beating the same old
drum. Now for the record Gill. I've mentioned many times on this group
that I've put fish in a stock pond and not one person slashed at my throat
over it until your friend Roy Hauer did - then boy oh boy, you jumped right
in, not even knowing a damn thing about the pond where that fish went. Where
were you and your good buddy (now that you realize it wouldn't work with me)
all those past years Gill?

You just don't get it do you....

Gill,... you are so full of it! This BS started with you when I refused to
go away and sneak back with a new persona so Roy Tristan Hauer and Antonio L
Santana, two obsessed trolls, would stop disrupting these NGs. Until then
you didn't twist everything I said. Now you've gone so far as to claim
there were other fish in a pond thousands of miles from where you live and
could not possibly have examined for other fish. I know your motive Gill, I
just want others to know what it is as well. You will do anything to get
Roy to shut up and stop trolling here and for Jabbers to leave. If that
means you have to stoop to bearing my throat for the kill you are willing to
do it. If that means harassing me off the group you're willing to do that
as well. You have no integrity and little honesty and I hope you decide not
to be a moderator. You're carrying too much baggage with you......... SHAME
ON YOU!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!