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ATTN: Ron and Galen
Houston, we have a problem......Y'all gonna have to modify the RFD to
allow potential posters the right to specify what mmoderator will infact read their posts for approval. Seems some have troupble with who may or may not read their posts now. If CArol can get special priveledges on who gets to read her posts I also request that only certain ones read and approve mine and no one but them......... Just how far is this moderation requirement gonna need tobe refined just to suit the problems created by one............I think it would have been a whole lot quicker and really more efective if a consensus of foks banded together and went after a certain person ISP and got rif of the cancer totally.........Then all of usenet would be a better place moderated or not. I trust specialized moderator treatment will not put a delay in the reading and posting of posts will it? I sure hate to miss any posts that one has as its sure been a very enlightening experieince wth that persons methods.... ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:55:17 -0600, Tristan
wrote: Houston, we have a problem......Y'all gonna have to modify the RFD to allow potential posters the right to specify what mmoderator will infact read their posts for approval. Seems some have troupble with who may or may not read their posts now. If CArol can get special priveledges on who gets to read her posts I also request that only certain ones read and approve mine and no one but them......... Just how far is this moderation requirement gonna need tobe refined just to suit the problems created by one............I think it would have been a whole lot quicker and really more efective if a consensus of foks banded together and went after a certain person ISP and got rif of the cancer totally.........Then all of usenet would be a better place moderated or not. I trust specialized moderator treatment will not put a delay in the reading and posting of posts will it? I sure hate to miss any posts that one has as its sure been a very enlightening experieince wth that persons methods.... We aren't set up to do anything at all like that right now. About the only thing like that we have addressed is a common feeling that moderators would not moderate their own posts. Even that requires that a moderator recognize their own post and pass on it, sort of an "honor system." It is pretty much chance as to what moderator reads what post. It's doable in the software, but isn't written yet. For now, it seems that the most effective thing is to raise objections to the proposed moderator(s) about whether or not they should even be moderators. -- Galen Hekhuis We'll cross that bridge when it rears its ugly head |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
The moderators are not the problem, its assumptions made about the mods and subtle changes certainposts may make by posters. Mods are fine.........no need to change anything there...IMHO I just know with the amount a few posters post and then wanting to be choosey on who actually pases or denies their posts its gonna put a lot of work onthat one mod, and leave other mods open for attacks with claims to being biased ect from certain disgruntled posters.......Its pretty bad that mods are getting trashed and opinions formed by one whos posts get spread around like a viral infection long before they get to do real moderator work.........That certianly can not be good for a new group ,moderated or not. If thatone person cannot get rid of certain mods its not going to take much to see that thye will do their best to disupt the group with numerous posts......Somehow I think actually banning is not a bad idea......and before its all over I bet others are gonna see it that way too. On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:29:23 -0500, Galen Hekhuis wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:55:17 -0600, Tristan wrote: Houston, we have a problem......Y'all gonna have to modify the RFD to allow potential posters the right to specify what mmoderator will infact read their posts for approval. Seems some have troupble with who may or may not read their posts now. If CArol can get special priveledges on who gets to read her posts I also request that only certain ones read and approve mine and no one but them......... Just how far is this moderation requirement gonna need tobe refined just to suit the problems created by one............I think it would have been a whole lot quicker and really more efective if a consensus of foks banded together and went after a certain person ISP and got rif of the cancer totally.........Then all of usenet would be a better place moderated or not. I trust specialized moderator treatment will not put a delay in the reading and posting of posts will it? I sure hate to miss any posts that one has as its sure been a very enlightening experieince wth that persons methods.... We aren't set up to do anything at all like that right now. About the only thing like that we have addressed is a common feeling that moderators would not moderate their own posts. Even that requires that a moderator recognize their own post and pass on it, sort of an "honor system." It is pretty much chance as to what moderator reads what post. It's doable in the software, but isn't written yet. For now, it seems that the most effective thing is to raise objections to the proposed moderator(s) about whether or not they should even be moderators. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
As it isn't entirely clear here what prompted this post I have cut and
pasted it from the original which can be found under the thread "Sick koi and need advice (with pics)" "Since you have such a negative attitude where I'm concerned Jan, I would rather you don't even look at anything I post on a m.r.p. Let someone else handle my messages. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*" I strongly believe that noone can "pick" who moderates their posts as this in fact casts aspersions on the integrity of the moderation team as a whole......I believe we all trust one another sufficiently and have built in safeguards to prevent any accusations being made as to the neutrality of one or more of the team.... Gill |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
Oh, I trust those involved, however there is one or two folks around who would think nnothing of trashing a persons integrity if their posts were kicked back.....and we allkknow that. Then the request to have certain mods read certain posters posts for fear they will be refused........it does not dfo the new grop any good to have any such policy to single out what mods read what posters posts......HOpefull there is not a wayt to show who approved or dissaproved a post......... I just hate to see any mod get trashed over the likes of one or two individuals with a heap of issues, mostly personal baggage they seem to keep hanging on to, but always looking to create turmoil when they do not get their way. or when dissagreed with. No sense beating around the bush,m the only one concerned is CArol........so is the mod team gonna bow down to her and kiss her sorry ass for fear of getting trashed in unmmoderated groups? I can see it now, carol is gonna use thr unmoderated rec.ponds group as a place to air dirty laundry and bitch about how fair she is being treated if a posts of hers gets fired back at her.....Trust me its coming! Odds are she will do to others just like she did to jan with all those obscene posts she made after getting brow beat this past weekend.......Yea, she won't be able to do it on the rec ponds moderataed forum, but yu can be sure she will make it readily viewable in all kinds of other forums......when she throws a tantrum after getting dissagreed with.Her past posting and reply history is proof positive to this. It may not really be a problem of rpm, what a poster does ouotside of the forum, but its sure not gonna reap any good feelings among groups that will get trolled in retalliation is it? On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:49:12 +0000, Gill Passman wrote: As it isn't entirely clear here what prompted this post I have cut and pasted it from the original which can be found under the thread "Sick koi and need advice (with pics)" "Since you have such a negative attitude where I'm concerned Jan, I would rather you don't even look at anything I post on a m.r.p. Let someone else handle my messages. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
"Tristan" wrote in message ... Oh, I trust those involved, however there is one or two folks around who would think nnothing of trashing a persons integrity if their posts were kicked back..... ============== Like you trashed Gills, Derek's, Dicks, Eds, Gail's mine and about 20 other people's integrity with personal attacks because you couldn't get your way? You even attacked my husband's integrity, a total stranger to you who never once posted or read any of these fish or pond groups. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
"Gill Passman" wrote in message ... As it isn't entirely clear here what prompted this post I have cut and pasted it from the original which can be found under the thread "Sick koi and need advice (with pics)" "Since you have such a negative attitude where I'm concerned Jan, I would rather you don't even look at anything I post on a m.r.p. Let someone else handle my messages. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*" I strongly believe that noone can "pick" who moderates their posts as this in fact casts aspersions on the integrity of the moderation team as a whole......I believe we all trust one another sufficiently and have built in safeguards to prevent any accusations being made as to the neutrality of one or more of the team.... Gill ============================== On the team as a whole? I don't think so. :-) No two people think alike or feel the same about the same issues. Before MRP is even set up I'm already being "questioned" about things this proposed moderator never questioned me about before. Why is that? Is that what those who disagree with this proposed moderator are going to have to face in a moderated group? Where does "questioning" someone, second guessing them, accusing them etc end and harassment and censorship begin? Not one thing was said to another poster who advised someone to illegally shoot and kill our protected herons. Not even a suggestion he mention it's illegal amd immoral to do that in the USA. But my post about the farm pond had them in hysterics!!!!!!!! :-O Why was that Gill? -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
Since when are morales so important an issue for yuu of all people carol? You lack even the slightest remote resemblence or morale fiber. And for the final time, there are those that can and do harvest herons both SBH and GBH legally and those that can ot. I fit in the former, thank you! Y'a know alligators are also protected yet I am legal to harvest a certain amount of gators as well......ironic huh. Your just an old blow hard who is gonna dissagree with anything that is said to her......... All I can say is, Are yu totally 100% sure that surgeon removed your opvaries, and not your brain? Better go get a second opinion, you may just possess them things.......as we all know your lacking in the brain department. On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:21:36 -0600, Zëbulon wrote: "Gill Passman" wrote in message ... As it isn't entirely clear here what prompted this post I have cut and pasted it from the original which can be found under the thread "Sick koi and need advice (with pics)" "Since you have such a negative attitude where I'm concerned Jan, I would rather you don't even look at anything I post on a m.r.p. Let someone else handle my messages. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*" I strongly believe that noone can "pick" who moderates their posts as this in fact casts aspersions on the integrity of the moderation team as a whole......I believe we all trust one another sufficiently and have built in safeguards to prevent any accusations being made as to the neutrality of one or more of the team.... Gill ============================== On the team as a whole? I don't think so. :-) No two people think alike or feel the same about the same issues. Before MRP is even set up I'm already being "questioned" about things this proposed moderator never questioned me about before. Why is that? Is that what those who disagree with this proposed moderator are going to have to face in a moderated group? Where does "questioning" someone, second guessing them, accusing them etc end and harassment and censorship begin? Not one thing was said to another poster who advised someone to illegally shoot and kill our protected herons. Not even a suggestion he mention it's illegal amd immoral to do that in the USA. But my post about the farm pond had them in hysterics!!!!!!!! :-O Why was that Gill? ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:39:54 -0600, Tristan
wrote: The moderators are not the problem, its assumptions made about the mods and subtle changes certainposts may make by posters. Mods are fine.........no need to change anything there...IMHO I just know with the amount a few posters post and then wanting to be choosey on who actually pases or denies their posts its gonna put a lot of work onthat one mod, and leave other mods open for attacks with claims to being biased ect from certain disgruntled posters.......Its pretty bad that mods are getting trashed and opinions formed by one whos posts get spread around like a viral infection long before they get to do real moderator work.........That certianly can not be good for a new group ,moderated or not. If thatone person cannot get rid of certain mods its not going to take much to see that thye will do their best to disupt the group with numerous posts......Somehow I think actually banning is not a bad idea......and before its all over I bet others are gonna see it that way too. It may become a problem, I can see lots of potentials. People might try to game the timezones to avoid a particular moderator. Like you say, if requests are allowed some moderators might squawk at being overburdened or virtually ignored. Perhaps some form of banning may be necessary, but I hope not. Many things are trivial to change, I've been able to change my IP at will over the past few weeks. There just isn't much to work with in header information, and I think more and more folks will find it easier and easier to screw with header information as time goes on. It's pretty hard to disguise your text and still get a message across. |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen Att: Galen
"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message ... brevity snip It may become a problem, I can see lots of potentials. People might try to game the timezones to avoid a particular moderator. Like you say, if requests are allowed some moderators might squawk at being overburdened or virtually ignored. Perhaps some form of banning may be necessary, but I hope not. Banning those who constantly post profanity/smutty posts and degrading personal attacks on others should be done. Those kinds of posts are a turn off to any moderator and they shouldn't have to be exposed to them. They cause bad vibes and negativity. Many things are trivial to change, I've been able to change my IP at will over the past few weeks. There just isn't much to work with in header information, and I think more and more folks will find it easier and easier to screw with header information as time goes on. It's pretty hard to disguise your text and still get a message across. THERE YOU GO! That's just what I told Gill and Jan and a few people from the aquarium groups when they wanted me to try and come back with a new nym and persona to stop the troll attacks. It seems others here were ether forced off the group or had to resort to this trickery because of the SAME person/troll personally attacking them. You cannot disguise yourself forever. The mods on the other hand are going to have to learn how to spot forged headers. As Roy recently found out, the messages I've been accused of sending are not from my account. You are dealing with shrewd, experienced, obsessed "mission" trolls here as Jayne called them Galen, and they have no intention of letting this go because of a moderated group. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen Att: Galen
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:39:30 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote: "Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message .. . brevity snip It may become a problem, I can see lots of potentials. People might try to game the timezones to avoid a particular moderator. Like you say, if requests are allowed some moderators might squawk at being overburdened or virtually ignored. Perhaps some form of banning may be necessary, but I hope not. Banning those who constantly post profanity/smutty posts and degrading personal attacks on others should be done. Those kinds of posts are a turn off to any moderator and they shouldn't have to be exposed to them. They cause bad vibes and negativity. Many things are trivial to change, I've been able to change my IP at will over the past few weeks. There just isn't much to work with in header information, and I think more and more folks will find it easier and easier to screw with header information as time goes on. It's pretty hard to disguise your text and still get a message across. THERE YOU GO! That's just what I told Gill and Jan and a few people from the aquarium groups when they wanted me to try and come back with a new nym and persona to stop the troll attacks. It seems others here were ether forced off the group or had to resort to this trickery because of the SAME person/troll personally attacking them. You cannot disguise yourself forever. The mods on the other hand are going to have to learn how to spot forged headers. As Roy recently found out, the messages I've been accused of sending are not from my account. You are dealing with shrewd, experienced, obsessed "mission" trolls here as Jayne called them Galen, and they have no intention of letting this go because of a moderated group. On the one hand you suggest banning certain posters, and then in the next paragraph you argue against the very using the very same characteristics used to identify certain posters. Banning simply requires faith in using header information to determine identity. I don't have such faith, the information is too easily forged/changed. |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen Att: Galen
Twisting words and phrases around again huh carol., I said I founf out the bellsouth attacks were not in fact from a bellsouth accounmt, but they were in fact made by you through alt.net account using hipcrime. They were in fact made by you carol. Just yet one more of yur sneaky avenues unwrapped. YOu think allthese other nntps are lettig you go on with your crap. Guess again, they are mnapping each and every post you make......lots of behind rthe scene stuff conducted by lots of foks in these groups in conjuncitn with ISP's and NNTP, and the finger keeps point to CArol Gulley for some reason or toher. Dream on Carol Dream on. You may not be on usenet to have to worry about your posts getting past a moderator. May even give you more time to go throw broken glass and nails on the roadway so randy can tow em in! CArol Gulley with scruples or morales...what a joke! On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:39:30 -0600, Zëbulon wrote: "Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message m... brevity snip It may become a problem, I can see lots of potentials. People might try to game the timezones to avoid a particular moderator. Like you say, if requests are allowed some moderators might squawk at being overburdened or virtually ignored. Perhaps some form of banning may be necessary, but I hope not. Banning those who constantly post profanity/smutty posts and degrading personal attacks on others should be done. Those kinds of posts are a turn off to any moderator and they shouldn't have to be exposed to them. They cause bad vibes and negativity. Many things are trivial to change, I've been able to change my IP at will over the past few weeks. There just isn't much to work with in header information, and I think more and more folks will find it easier and easier to screw with header information as time goes on. It's pretty hard to disguise your text and still get a message across. THERE YOU GO! That's just what I told Gill and Jan and a few people from the aquarium groups when they wanted me to try and come back with a new nym and persona to stop the troll attacks. It seems others here were ether forced off the group or had to resort to this trickery because of the SAME person/troll personally attacking them. You cannot disguise yourself forever. The mods on the other hand are going to have to learn how to spot forged headers. As Roy recently found out, the messages I've been accused of sending are not from my account. You are dealing with shrewd, experienced, obsessed "mission" trolls here as Jayne called them Galen, and they have no intention of letting this go because of a moderated group. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen - att: Galen
"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:55:17 -0600, Tristan wrote: Houston, we have a problem......Y'all gonna have to modify the RFD to allow potential posters the right to specify what mmoderator will infact read their posts for approval. Seems some have troupble with who may or may not read their posts now. If CArol can get special priveledges on who gets to read her posts I also request that only certain ones read and approve mine and no one but them......... Just how far is this moderation requirement gonna need tobe refined just to suit the problems created by one............I think it would have been a whole lot quicker and really more efective if a consensus of foks banded together and went after a certain person ISP and got rif of the cancer totally.........Then all of usenet would be a better place moderated or not. I trust specialized moderator treatment will not put a delay in the reading and posting of posts will it? I sure hate to miss any posts that one has as its sure been a very enlightening experieince wth that persons methods.... ---------- We aren't set up to do anything at all like that right now. About the only thing like that we have addressed is a common feeling that moderators would not moderate their own posts. Even that requires that a moderator recognize their own post and pass on it, sort of an "honor system." It is pretty much chance as to what moderator reads what post. This may cause a problem Galen. There are a lot of hurt feelings and anger where two of these proposed moderators are concerned. Human nature being what it is they may not be able to remain neutral when "judging" someone's messages they're angry at for whatever reason. That's why I feel we should really try and find neutral moderators and those who can keep their cool when disagreements come up. It's doable in the software, but isn't written yet. For now, it seems that the most effective thing is to raise objections to the proposed moderator(s) about whether or not they should even be moderators. Human nature again. I doubt they'd agree and admit their animosity for certain posters, and offer to step back so a neutral person can take their place. Because if favoritism or censorship starts even a moderated group would be doomed. I've seen that happen on Forums and posting boards over the years. All but one are now gone from the scene. -- Galen Hekhuis We'll cross that bridge when it rears its ugly head -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen - att: Galen
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:02:58 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote: This may cause a problem Galen. There are a lot of hurt feelings and anger where two of these proposed moderators are concerned. Human nature being what it is they may not be able to remain neutral when "judging" someone's messages they're angry at for whatever reason. That's why I feel we should really try and find neutral moderators and those who can keep their cool when disagreements come up. I think all the moderators realize it could become a problem, and we've tried to combat this. Hopefully it will be accomplished by having fairly clear criteria spelled out in the charter and by judging by content, and not header information (author). But if you can scare up any willing would-be moderators, especially in differing timezones, go for it. Human nature again. I doubt they'd agree and admit their animosity for certain posters, and offer to step back so a neutral person can take their place. Because if favoritism or censorship starts even a moderated group would be doomed. I've seen that happen on Forums and posting boards over the years. All but one are now gone from the scene. We'll try to keep from doing that. |
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ATTN: Ron and Galen - att: Galen I nominate Carol Gulley for rpm moderator!
I nominate CArol Gulley aka Zebulon a sa moderator since she seems to be of the iopinion she is never in error and she has the most intact reputation and integrity of all involved in the usenet groups. Do I have to send her recomendation into the big 8 or what....I think caro lwould make a jam up moderator.......... On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:29:07 -0500, Galen Hekhuis wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:02:58 -0600, Zëbulon wrote: This may cause a problem Galen. There are a lot of hurt feelings and anger where two of these proposed moderators are concerned. Human nature being what it is they may not be able to remain neutral when "judging" someone's messages they're angry at for whatever reason. That's why I feel we should really try and find neutral moderators and those who can keep their cool when disagreements come up. I think all the moderators realize it could become a problem, and we've tried to combat this. Hopefully it will be accomplished by having fairly clear criteria spelled out in the charter and by judging by content, and not header information (author). But if you can scare up any willing would-be moderators, especially in differing timezones, go for it. Human nature again. I doubt they'd agree and admit their animosity for certain posters, and offer to step back so a neutral person can take their place. Because if favoritism or censorship starts even a moderated group would be doomed. I've seen that happen on Forums and posting boards over the years. All but one are now gone from the scene. We'll try to keep from doing that. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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