Plant question
 

yes.

"BenignVanilla" m wrote:
Not sure what you mean...so let me re-state. When I first read that water
softeners allowed salt into the water, I thought, "That can't be right. That
sounds like an old wives tale." So I decided to look it up...lo and behold
it is true. The water softeners exchange sodium chloride for magnesium
chloride and a few other "hard" minerals. Anyway, I thought I should post a
follow up to your message, backing up the truth, in case there were any
other doubters like myself.

Is that clearer?

BV.

Plant question
 

BV, you should know I'd never spread BS. ;o) ~ jan


wrote in message
water softeners put sodium (Na+) ions into the water. and it can be
significantly high enough to cause real problems with GF, so I imagine it can with koi.

The relationship between salt (NaCl) and high blood pressure is complex
and just lowering sodium chloride intake may have no effect at all, or actually
worsen blood pressure. The suggestion is that the balance of total salts is important
and unbalanced (high sodium to potassium, etc.) intake is what can cause
problems. Ingrid

Jan wrote: I think that may be your problem. A water softer that uses salt puts
enough sodium in the water that those with high blood pressure are told not to
drink the water from such.

Ingrid...I went looking for some information on this because my first
thought was that it was BS. I was shocked to find that what you are saying
is basically true. Water softeners use salt to "soften" the water. The water
passes through the salt mixture which leaches magnesium and potassium (hard)
out of the water, replacing it with Sodium chloride (salt) molecules which
are "softer". Here is a great article describing, in brief, the amounts of
salt that can be transferred...

http://www.extension.umn.edu/water/sodium.html

BV

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~ jan replies (all in jest):

And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk!

My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension. My
FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many houses
and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several
years they built another house with a water softener that works without
salt. ~ jan

wrote in message
did you really mean it to sound that way? Ingrid

Ingrid...I went looking for some information on this because my first
thought was that it was BS. I was shocked to find that what you are
saying is basically true.

Not sure what you mean...so let me re-state. When I first read that water
softeners allowed salt into the water, I thought, "That can't be right. That
sounds like an old wives tale." So I decided to look it up...lo and behold
it is true. The water softeners exchange sodium chloride for magnesium
chloride and a few other "hard" minerals. Anyway, I thought I should post a
follow up to your message, backing up the truth, in case there were any
other doubters like myself.

Is that clearer?

BV.



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http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

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Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Plant question
 

wrote in message
...
yes.

snip

Good...I am happy. I was not trying to be a jerk, really.

BV.

Plant question
 

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
~ jan replies (all in jest):

And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk!

My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension.
My
FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many
houses
and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several
years they built another house with a water softener that works without
salt. ~ jan

Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one
ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to
hear this.

BV.

Plant question
 

my mama has high blood pressure. she installed a water softener and her
blood pressure stayed the same. her doctor said that the softener was fine
for mother to bathe in, but not to drink. the doc said to drink bottled RO
water. so that's what she started doing. then she decided she didn't want to
spend the money on the water, and, at 86, she couldn't heft the bags of
salt. so she started drinking the tap water. her blood pressure actually
went up. so now we're back to buying bottled water again. none of us ever
thought that drinking tap water in odessa, texas could raise one's blood
pressure. but it did happen.
mad
--
"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by
reading, the few who learn by observation and the
rest of them that have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves..."
Will Rogers

From: "BenignVanilla" m
Reply-To: "BenignVanilla" m
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:41:50 -0400
Subject: Plant question

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
~ jan replies (all in jest):

And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk!

My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension.
My
FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many
houses
and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several
years they built another house with a water softener that works without
salt. ~ jan

Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one
ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to
hear this.

BV.





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Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was
drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy.
The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"mad" wrote in message
...
my mama has high blood pressure. she installed a water softener and her
blood pressure stayed the same. her doctor said that the softener was fine
for mother to bathe in, but not to drink. the doc said to drink bottled RO
water. so that's what she started doing. then she decided she didn't want
to
spend the money on the water, and, at 86, she couldn't heft the bags of
salt. so she started drinking the tap water. her blood pressure actually
went up. so now we're back to buying bottled water again. none of us ever
thought that drinking tap water in odessa, texas could raise one's blood
pressure. but it did happen.
mad
--
"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by
reading, the few who learn by observation and the
rest of them that have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves..."
Will Rogers

From: "BenignVanilla" m
Reply-To: "BenignVanilla"
m
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:41:50 -0400
Subject: Plant question

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
~ jan replies (all in jest):

And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk!

My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with
hypertension.
My
FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many
houses
and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several
years they built another house with a water softener that works without
salt. ~ jan

Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one
ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to
hear this.

BV.





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BV,

Look for salt every where. Look at how much salt is in soft drinks (soda
pop).

If you have a water softener and drink your 8 glass of water a day or more
just thing of the salt you are consuming.

Tom L.L.
"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
~ jan replies (all in jest):

And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk!

My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension.
My
FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many
houses
and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several
years they built another house with a water softener that works without
salt. ~ jan

Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one
ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to
hear this.

BV.

Plant question
 

there's just no telling what's in odessa's water.
mad
--
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both hands. You need to be able to throw something back.

From: "Nedra"
Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:45:53 GMT
Subject: Plant question

Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was
drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy.
The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak

Nedra
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http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118



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mad wrote:
there's just no telling what's in odessa's water.
mad


--

i get hi blood pressure just thinking about drinking Odesa's water ;-)



John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

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Plant question
 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! oh john, that's hysterical!! and so true!!!
mad
--
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Spanish Proverb

From: John Rutz
Organization: NMIX
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:32:22 -0600
Subject: Plant question



mad wrote:
there's just no telling what's in odessa's water.
mad


--

i get hi blood pressure just thinking about drinking Odesa's water ;-)



John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

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judgement

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something very wrong with your water softener if it tastes salty. Ingrid

"Nedra" wrote:

Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was
drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy.
The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak

Plant question
 

Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one
ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to
hear this.

A learn something new everyday sort of thing, ya say? ;o) Glad I brought it
up, and Ingrid verified the fact.

Now I wonder what *itten* (or was it *mitten*?) is doing about their water
situation? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Plant question
 

Ingrid, I don't have a water softener. But, I can taste the
salt in other folks water softeners.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

wrote in message
...
something very wrong with your water softener if it tastes salty. Ingrid

"Nedra" wrote:

Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was
drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy.
The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak

Plant question
 

amazing. it is the chloride ions that make salt "salty". in softening, it is the
sodium ions that are left behind. the chloride ions combine with the calcium and
magnesium to make an insoluble compound that is flushed out. Ingrid

"Nedra" wrote:
Ingrid, I don't have a water softener. But, I can taste the
salt in other folks water softeners.