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I recently bought a 5.5' x 15' liner from justliners.com to build my
waterfall and was pleased to say the least with the price($23.95 + shipping $8.00 UPS), it was delivered in approx. 4 days and the quality is more than I expected. A week or two before I visited my local (I wouldn't call them a pond supply store), more of a rock/paver/statuary/but we also order pond supplies from Aquascape kind of place....went in and asked her to get me prices on a liner,pump and rocks.....2 weeks later! she calls me back after I already had finished my waterfall and gives me prices on a liner: 4'x8' 45mil-$96.00!! I told her basically that she had rocks in her head and that I now understood why nobody even knew of this place even though it had been open since last October....and that she would never get a dime from me. What I imagine she was doing is charging me for a roll of liner and cutting my piece from it. What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. My .02 Just felt like venting....sorry, we now return you to your regular programming. ~Wilson~ |
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Wilson wrote:
What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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of, course there are people who will pay that much!!!
they are the ones who think they are too good to step inside a k-mart! & only do their shopping in high-priced stores (I just cannot get over some people would rather pay $50. for a blender HERE than $25 for the same one at k-mart........ "joe" wrote in message ... Wilson wrote: What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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of, course there are people who will pay that much!!!
they are the ones who think they are too good to step inside a k-mart! & only do their shopping in high-priced stores (I just cannot get over some people would rather pay $50. for a blender HERE than $25 for the same one at k-mart........ "joe" wrote in message ... Wilson wrote: What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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"joe" wrote in message
... Wilson wrote: What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. I was thinking about this thread last night, as I was shopping on line. I need a hitch for my mini-van, and I need it fast. I can get a good deal on-line, but I don't think they can ship it fast enough, so I may be faced with doing it brick and mortar style, with nasal style payments. It occurred to me last night, when I was surfing, that sometimes, those on-line deals are just out of reach. BV. |
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I'd like to point out a few things you perhaps failed to consider.
Your local place most likely does not stock pond liner. To fill your request, she would have to special order a roll of material, then keep the balance on hand until another buyer came along. All the while she has the money tied up in inventory, AND the remainder of the roll taking up space in the stockroom. This is why I seldom ask a business to special order items. If they hope to hope to stay in business, they must charge you for the cost of the item, plus the time it takes to locate it, plus the shipping, plus their normal markup. I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. That said, there is no excuse for taking two weeks to call you with the price. PlainBill On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:12:18 -0500, "Wilson" wrote: I recently bought a 5.5' x 15' liner from justliners.com to build my waterfall and was pleased to say the least with the price($23.95 + shipping $8.00 UPS), it was delivered in approx. 4 days and the quality is more than I expected. A week or two before I visited my local (I wouldn't call them a pond supply store), more of a rock/paver/statuary/but we also order pond supplies from Aquascape kind of place....went in and asked her to get me prices on a liner,pump and rocks.....2 weeks later! she calls me back after I already had finished my waterfall and gives me prices on a liner: 4'x8' 45mil-$96.00!! I told her basically that she had rocks in her head and that I now understood why nobody even knew of this place even though it had been open since last October....and that she would never get a dime from me. What I imagine she was doing is charging me for a roll of liner and cutting my piece from it. What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. My .02 Just felt like venting....sorry, we now return you to your regular programming. ~Wilson~ |
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"BenignVanilla" wrote:
"joe" wrote in message ... Wilson wrote: What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. I was thinking about this thread last night, as I was shopping on line. I need a hitch for my mini-van, and I need it fast. I can get a good deal on-line, but I don't think they can ship it fast enough, so I may be faced with doing it brick and mortar style, with nasal style payments. It occurred to me last night, when I was surfing, that sometimes, those on-line deals are just out of reach. Just go get one, at a local place that also installs them. Unless your really mechanical, don't risk your life. Don't forget that you'll need to have an electrical hook up for the trailer lights. The place by me is a small shop, selling nothing but hitches, for over 20 years, I got one installed on my car as a teen so I could haul stuff for the family vacation. |
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"John Hines" wrote in message
... snip Just go get one, at a local place that also installs them. Unless your really mechanical, don't risk your life. Don't forget that you'll need to have an electrical hook up for the trailer lights. The place by me is a small shop, selling nothing but hitches, for over 20 years, I got one installed on my car as a teen so I could haul stuff for the family vacation. I have a friend that will professionally install it for me, but I need to buy it first. I will probably never tow anything with it. I just want to put one of those shelves on the back for camping. I can't find a local hitch place. Any thoughts on how to find one? BV. |
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"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
... "John Hines" wrote in message ... snip Just go get one, at a local place that also installs them. Unless your really mechanical, don't risk your life. Don't forget that you'll need to have an electrical hook up for the trailer lights. The place by me is a small shop, selling nothing but hitches, for over 20 years, I got one installed on my car as a teen so I could haul stuff for the family vacation. I have a friend that will professionally install it for me, but I need to buy it first. I will probably never tow anything with it. I just want to put one of those shelves on the back for camping. I can't find a local hitch place. Any thoughts on how to find one? Gave it one more try, and found a hitch not to far away. I will pick it up Monday! BV. |
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"BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... "John Hines" wrote in message ... snip Just go get one, at a local place that also installs them. Unless your really mechanical, don't risk your life. Don't forget that you'll need to have an electrical hook up for the trailer lights. The place by me is a small shop, selling nothing but hitches, for over 20 years, I got one installed on my car as a teen so I could haul stuff for the family vacation. I have a friend that will professionally install it for me, but I need to buy it first. I will probably never tow anything with it. I just want to put one of those shelves on the back for camping. I can't find a local hitch place. Any thoughts on how to find one? Two options. First, many U-Haul places sell and install hitches. I've used them and don't think you can beat the price by much. The installation was not a major part of the cost either, and they did a very professional job, using real wiring harnesses rather than just splicing in to tail-light wires. Second, hitches are one of those things that the vast majority of car dealers just won't do themselves. If you have a hitch installed by a dealer, they actually farm it out to an independent installer (and charge your for this "service" ;^). However, I have found that they will usually tell you who they use and many times the installer will give you the "dealer cost" if you mention that is how you found them. Aaron |
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Hey BV
I thought you lived around "Baltmore". From the sounds of all your problems getting things UD think you lived the "backwoods" and a trip to town was a weekly event and 40 miles away. Did you ever get your potash? (0-0-50) My local farm co-op dad (20) 5# bags on the shelf today, when I went for mine. If you need it what say we trade some of your Duckweed,. I can't find it around here, every body seems to sell only Azolla. /\/\ike BenignVanilla wrote: "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... "John Hines" wrote in message . .. snip Just go get one, at a local place that also installs them. Unless your really mechanical, don't risk your life. Don't forget that you'll need to have an electrical hook up for the trailer lights. The place by me is a small shop, selling nothing but hitches, for over 20 years, I got one installed on my car as a teen so I could haul stuff for the family vacation. I have a friend that will professionally install it for me, but I need to buy it first. I will probably never tow anything with it. I just want to put one of those shelves on the back for camping. I can't find a local hitch place. Any thoughts on how to find one? Gave it one more try, and found a hitch not to far away. I will pick it up Monday! BV. |
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PlainBill wrote in message ... I'd like to point out a few things you perhaps failed to consider. Your local place most likely does not stock pond liner. To fill your request, she would have to special order a roll of material, then keep the balance on hand until another buyer came along. All the while she has the money tied up in inventory, AND the remainder of the roll taking up space in the stockroom. This is why I seldom ask a business to special order items. If they hope to hope to stay in business, they must charge you for the cost of the item, plus the time it takes to locate it, plus the shipping, plus their normal markup. Actually you are wrong about me not considering those points...I did. I kind of laughed at the logic you used.....she has pamphlets everywhere showing the pond supplies she can order and she is promoting herself as a pond supplier as well as landscaping supplies. I find it humerous that you believe that she HAS to purchase liner by the roll when everyone else can buy it from multiple places specially cut to size....I also find it funny that you believe it to be a hinderance to her to have to hold onto the remainder of the roll of liner with money tied up into it and taking up space in her stockroom when she is in fact trying to run a pond supply store! What shall she keep in her storeroom....bath and beauty supplies? Just a thought....If I go into an auto dealership and special order an SUV but the dealer doesn't have one in stock, does that give him the right to order 10 more for his lot and charge me for them? I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. You have every right to disagree....I have every right to point out your mistake. She won't be in business long trying to cheat customers and lying by ommission either. That said, there is no excuse for taking two weeks to call you with the price. You are exactly right, even before she lied to me I had made up my mind not to do business with her....my business didn't seem important enough to her to put down her jelly dougnut and make a few simple calls. ~Wilson~ |
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PlainBill wrote in message ... I'd like to point out a few things you perhaps failed to consider. Your local place most likely does not stock pond liner. To fill your request, she would have to special order a roll of material, then keep the balance on hand until another buyer came along. All the while she has the money tied up in inventory, AND the remainder of the roll taking up space in the stockroom. This is why I seldom ask a business to special order items. If they hope to hope to stay in business, they must charge you for the cost of the item, plus the time it takes to locate it, plus the shipping, plus their normal markup. Actually you are wrong about me not considering those points...I did. I kind of laughed at the logic you used.....she has pamphlets everywhere showing the pond supplies she can order and she is promoting herself as a pond supplier as well as landscaping supplies. I find it humerous that you believe that she HAS to purchase liner by the roll when everyone else can buy it from multiple places specially cut to size....I also find it funny that you believe it to be a hinderance to her to have to hold onto the remainder of the roll of liner with money tied up into it and taking up space in her stockroom when she is in fact trying to run a pond supply store! What shall she keep in her storeroom....bath and beauty supplies? Just a thought....If I go into an auto dealership and special order an SUV but the dealer doesn't have one in stock, does that give him the right to order 10 more for his lot and charge me for them? I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. You have every right to disagree....I have every right to point out your mistake. She won't be in business long trying to cheat customers and lying by ommission either. That said, there is no excuse for taking two weeks to call you with the price. You are exactly right, even before she lied to me I had made up my mind not to do business with her....my business didn't seem important enough to her to put down her jelly dougnut and make a few simple calls. ~Wilson~ |
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Wilson wrote: I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. You have every right to disagree....I have every right to point out your mistake. She won't be in business long trying to cheat customers and lying by ommission either. Look, you asked for a quote, and she gave you one. Granted, the quote was way high, and late. That doesn't make her unethical, though it probably makes her a bad businessperson. She has the right to charge anything she wants; you have the right to accept or decline the offer. If the price is way high she's either shrewd (if someone actually pays that price) or dumb (if it puts her out of consideration), but in no case is it unethical. If this is unethical, so are all purveyors of bottled water (they buy it for about $0.0001 per bottle, and sell it for $0.99 a bottle!), pet rocks, and Windows operating systems. There are enough businesses out there which really ARE unethical, that we should reserve the term for them, and refrain from libeling those who are merely incompetent. Kelly |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:49:43 +0000 (UTC)
(Kelly E Jones) wrote: in no case is it unethical. If this is unethical, so are all purveyors of bottled water (they buy it for about $0.0001 per bottle, and sell it for $0.99 a bottle!), pet rocks, and /Windows operating systems/ . Two out of three ain't bad! Cybe registered GNU/Linux user #126326 |
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Kelly E Jones wrote in message ... In article , Wilson wrote: I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. You have every right to disagree....I have every right to point out your mistake. She won't be in business long trying to cheat customers and lying by ommission either. Look, you asked for a quote, and she gave you one. Granted, the quote was way high, and late. That doesn't make her unethical, though it probably makes her a bad businessperson. She has the right to charge anything she wants; you have the right to accept or decline the offer. If the price is way high she's either shrewd (if someone actually pays that price) or dumb (if it puts her out of consideration), but in no case is it unethical. If this is unethical, so are all purveyors of bottled water (they buy it for about $0.0001 per bottle, and sell it for $0.99 a bottle!), pet rocks, and Windows operating systems. Unethical: not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior. I realize that anyone can read anything into that they choose, but I'd say lying to a customer would foot that bill. The problem with your theory is that I asked her for a price on a certain size liner....she told me she would call and get a price on that size liner, she never told me that I had to purchase an entire roll or that I was supplying her store with inventory. Your comparison of Evian or pet rocks is flawed because we all know what and how much of it we are buying....and how stupid we are for doing it, I see the price of Evian and I pick up a bottle anyway BUT if the clerk charges me 5 bucks for the bottle then grabs the 4 extra bottles and resells them.....that is an unfair business practice. Believe it or not there is a differece between a liner company selling all their 4x8 liners for 96.00 and what this moron tried to do. One is greed or a nice tidy profit....one is a lie. There are enough businesses out there which really ARE unethical, that we should reserve the term for them, and refrain from libeling those who are merely incompetent. Which businesses might those be Kelly? Would you give us examples? Oh btw, to be libel the statement in writing should be false :) and "must" be public and "must" damage(or attempt to) someone's character. Right? Tell me Kelly, what is the name of the person or business I am referring to? ~Wilson~ |
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Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (Kelly E Jones) wrote: in no case is it unethical. If this is unethical, so are all purveyors of bottled water (they buy it for about $0.0001 per bottle, and sell it for $0.99 a bottle!), pet rocks, and /Windows operating systems/ . Two out of three ain't bad! Cybe registered GNU/Linux user #126326 the penquin rules |
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Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (Kelly E Jones) wrote: in no case is it unethical. If this is unethical, so are all purveyors of bottled water (they buy it for about $0.0001 per bottle, and sell it for $0.99 a bottle!), pet rocks, and /Windows operating systems/ . Two out of three ain't bad! Cybe registered GNU/Linux user #126326 the penquin rules |
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not that anyone asked ... but I Vote with Wilson.
Unethical. Nedra "Wilson" wrote in message ... Kelly E Jones wrote in message ... In article , Wilson wrote: I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. You have every right to disagree....I have every right to point out your mistake. She won't be in business long trying to cheat customers and lying by ommission either. Look, you asked for a quote, and she gave you one. Granted, the quote was way high, and late. That doesn't make her unethical, though it probably makes her a bad businessperson. She has the right to charge anything she wants; you have the right to accept or decline the offer. If the price is way high she's either shrewd (if someone actually pays that price) or dumb (if it puts her out of consideration), but in no case is it unethical. If this is unethical, so are all purveyors of bottled water (they buy it for about $0.0001 per bottle, and sell it for $0.99 a bottle!), pet rocks, and Windows operating systems. Unethical: not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior. I realize that anyone can read anything into that they choose, but I'd say lying to a customer would foot that bill. The problem with your theory is that I asked her for a price on a certain size liner....she told me she would call and get a price on that size liner, she never told me that I had to purchase an entire roll or that I was supplying her store with inventory. Your comparison of Evian or pet rocks is flawed because we all know what and how much of it we are buying....and how stupid we are for doing it, I see the price of Evian and I pick up a bottle anyway BUT if the clerk charges me 5 bucks for the bottle then grabs the 4 extra bottles and resells them.....that is an unfair business practice. Believe it or not there is a differece between a liner company selling all their 4x8 liners for 96.00 and what this moron tried to do. One is greed or a nice tidy profit....one is a lie. There are enough businesses out there which really ARE unethical, that we should reserve the term for them, and refrain from libeling those who are merely incompetent. Which businesses might those be Kelly? Would you give us examples? Oh btw, to be libel the statement in writing should be false :) and "must" be public and "must" damage(or attempt to) someone's character. Right? Tell me Kelly, what is the name of the person or business I am referring to? ~Wilson~ |
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Wilson wrote: Kelly E Jones wrote in message ... In article , Wilson wrote: I realize that anyone can read anything into that they choose, but I'd say lying to a customer would foot that bill. The problem with your theory is that I asked her for a price on a certain size liner....she told me she would call and get a price on that size liner, she never told me that I had to purchase an entire roll or that I was supplying her store with inventory. She's not forcing you to purchase an entire roll (if she is, that's new information, you've never stated that before). Just because her price is equal to what you would pay for an entire roll elsewhere, doesn't mean that's how whe set her price. Even if she is, that's STILL not unethical. Doesn't the grocery store 'force' you to purchase an entire loaf of bread? Lots of places have minimum purchase requirements, ESPECIALLY for special orders. Frankly, I don't see how she's lied to you: she said she'd give you a price, and she did. |
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Hey Folks,
It is typical. I have a small soap business and I am on several listservs and people are always selling stuff in a "CO-OP" fashion or a "Fast-Buy" situation. What is interesting is the the price offered can almost always be beat almost anywhere on the internet even with S&H, but in many cases most people don't want to deal the a "Business Organization" but will pay more (after fees and S&H) for the priveledge to deal with an individual from the listserv. From what I have ascertained over the years is that people do get the shaft about as much as dealing with a business. People feel safer, walking in to a store down the street or near by that dealing with someone/business on the internet. Plus, business dictates rule a small business. As an example, I just bought the pistol air pump from drsfostersmith.com for $46. The LFS, the owner who is a friend, I checked with him first and his cost was higher than what I got it for plus S&H that I paid. Of course the only person he sells these pumps to is the University in the area and they just say buy this pump for me and bills us. Well, with his costs and markup the cost is about $90. Small businesses that can not buy in volume are stuck at paying a lot higher prices for single items or special order items and the same items bought by big companies are a lot cheaper because of the volume of the total purchase or the number of items purchased. So You should not be too hard on the people who are trying to give a service to the local community. There are always going to be people that want to have face to face contact with the people that they are dealing with and if the local business is fair and honest with their customers they will make it, but if they don't what they are doing and give bad advice and/or wrong equipment they won't last very long. It is hard to be local business person giving service to the community. Tom L.L. "*muffin*" wrote in message ... of, course there are people who will pay that much!!! they are the ones who think they are too good to step inside a k-mart! & only do their shopping in high-priced stores (I just cannot get over some people would rather pay $50. for a blender HERE than $25 for the same one at k-mart........ "joe" wrote in message ... Wilson wrote: What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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"BenignVanilla" wrote:
"John Hines" wrote in message .. . snip Just go get one, at a local place that also installs them. Unless your really mechanical, don't risk your life. Don't forget that you'll need to have an electrical hook up for the trailer lights. The place by me is a small shop, selling nothing but hitches, for over 20 years, I got one installed on my car as a teen so I could haul stuff for the family vacation. I have a friend that will professionally install it for me, but I need to buy it first. I will probably never tow anything with it. I just want to put one of those shelves on the back for camping. I can't find a local hitch place. Any thoughts on how to find one? Reese is a big name in hitches, but the on-line sites seem to be people that sell them, rather than a corporate site, with a pointer to dealers. |
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Wilson wrote: Kelly E Jones wrote in message ... In article , Wilson wrote: I realize that anyone can read anything into that they choose, but I'd say lying to a customer would foot that bill. The problem with your theory is that I asked her for a price on a certain size liner....she told me she would call and get a price on that size liner, she never told me that I had to purchase an entire roll or that I was supplying her store with inventory. She's not forcing you to purchase an entire roll (if she is, that's new information, you've never stated that before). Just because her price is equal to what you would pay for an entire roll elsewhere, doesn't mean that's how whe set her price. Even if she is, that's STILL not unethical. Doesn't the grocery store 'force' you to purchase an entire loaf of bread? Lots of places have minimum purchase requirements, ESPECIALLY for special orders. Frankly, I don't see how she's lied to you: she said she'd give you a price, and she did. |
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Hey Folks,
It is typical. I have a small soap business and I am on several listservs and people are always selling stuff in a "CO-OP" fashion or a "Fast-Buy" situation. What is interesting is the the price offered can almost always be beat almost anywhere on the internet even with S&H, but in many cases most people don't want to deal the a "Business Organization" but will pay more (after fees and S&H) for the priveledge to deal with an individual from the listserv. From what I have ascertained over the years is that people do get the shaft about as much as dealing with a business. People feel safer, walking in to a store down the street or near by that dealing with someone/business on the internet. Plus, business dictates rule a small business. As an example, I just bought the pistol air pump from drsfostersmith.com for $46. The LFS, the owner who is a friend, I checked with him first and his cost was higher than what I got it for plus S&H that I paid. Of course the only person he sells these pumps to is the University in the area and they just say buy this pump for me and bills us. Well, with his costs and markup the cost is about $90. Small businesses that can not buy in volume are stuck at paying a lot higher prices for single items or special order items and the same items bought by big companies are a lot cheaper because of the volume of the total purchase or the number of items purchased. So You should not be too hard on the people who are trying to give a service to the local community. There are always going to be people that want to have face to face contact with the people that they are dealing with and if the local business is fair and honest with their customers they will make it, but if they don't what they are doing and give bad advice and/or wrong equipment they won't last very long. It is hard to be local business person giving service to the community. Tom L.L. "*muffin*" wrote in message ... of, course there are people who will pay that much!!! they are the ones who think they are too good to step inside a k-mart! & only do their shopping in high-priced stores (I just cannot get over some people would rather pay $50. for a blender HERE than $25 for the same one at k-mart........ "joe" wrote in message ... Wilson wrote: What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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"BenignVanilla" wrote:
"John Hines" wrote in message .. . snip Just go get one, at a local place that also installs them. Unless your really mechanical, don't risk your life. Don't forget that you'll need to have an electrical hook up for the trailer lights. The place by me is a small shop, selling nothing but hitches, for over 20 years, I got one installed on my car as a teen so I could haul stuff for the family vacation. I have a friend that will professionally install it for me, but I need to buy it first. I will probably never tow anything with it. I just want to put one of those shelves on the back for camping. I can't find a local hitch place. Any thoughts on how to find one? Reese is a big name in hitches, but the on-line sites seem to be people that sell them, rather than a corporate site, with a pointer to dealers. |
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"Kelly E Jones" wrote in message ... In article , Wilson wrote: Kelly E Jones wrote in message ... In article , Wilson wrote: I realize that anyone can read anything into that they choose, but I'd say lying to a customer would foot that bill. The problem with your theory is that I asked her for a price on a certain size liner....she told me she would call and get a price on that size liner, she never told me that I had to purchase an entire roll or that I was supplying her store with inventory. She's not forcing you to purchase an entire roll (if she is, that's new information, you've never stated that before). Just because her price is equal to what you would pay for an entire roll elsewhere, doesn't mean that's how whe set her price. Even if she is, that's STILL not unethical. Doesn't the grocery store 'force' you to purchase an entire loaf of bread? Lots of places have minimum purchase requirements, ESPECIALLY for special orders. Frankly, I don't see how she's lied to you: she said she'd give you a price, and she did. Kelly, sigh...one more time, I asked her to give me a price for a specific liner...she agreed that she'd get a price for a specific size liner, she then priced me a roll of liner and tried to pass it off as a 4'x8' price. Your bread analogy doesn't work well...I go into the store WANTING a whole loaf (LOL) I didn't walk into her store wanting a whole roll of liner. But the point is she lied about it, she called me back and said the price of a 4'x8' liner was $96.00. Period...end of discussion. ~Wilson~ |
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I must differ with this one part of Tom LaBron's post:
"People feel safer, walking in to a store down the street or near by that dealing with someone/business on the internet." Admittedly, I got into the Amazon.com habit when we lived in northern Vermont, where there was actually quite a bit of stuff we couldn't find nearby. And then, we really learned to love Amazon because my CPA hubby could order the specialized books he needs, but that no bookstore would be likely to sell ($50-90 with no guaranteed market). I suppose that I might feel "safer" (or more trusting) if I could go to a store "down the street" but the only thing less than a 10-minute drive (one-way) is a gas station & hairdresser. Soooo...... to make my point, I buy online all the time (just as I ordered from catalogues for 20 years before that, *especially* for Christmas presents, as life is too short for me to box up stuff & stand in line at the post office). Just my $.02, Anne Lurie [just outside] Raleigh, NC [in horse/cattle country] "Tom La Bron" wrote in message ... Hey Folks, It is typical. I have a small soap business and I am on several listservs and people are always selling stuff in a "CO-OP" fashion or a "Fast-Buy" situation. What is interesting is the the price offered can almost always be beat almost anywhere on the internet even with S&H, but in many cases most people don't want to deal the a "Business Organization" but will pay more (after fees and S&H) for the priveledge to deal with an individual from the listserv. From what I have ascertained over the years is that people do get the shaft about as much as dealing with a business. People feel safer, walking in to a store down the street or near by that dealing with someone/business on the internet. Plus, business dictates rule a small business. As an example, I just bought the pistol air pump from drsfostersmith.com for $46. The LFS, the owner who is a friend, I checked with him first and his cost was higher than what I got it for plus S&H that I paid. Of course the only person he sells these pumps to is the University in the area and they just say buy this pump for me and bills us. Well, with his costs and markup the cost is about $90. Small businesses that can not buy in volume are stuck at paying a lot higher prices for single items or special order items and the same items bought by big companies are a lot cheaper because of the volume of the total purchase or the number of items purchased. So You should not be too hard on the people who are trying to give a service to the local community. There are always going to be people that want to have face to face contact with the people that they are dealing with and if the local business is fair and honest with their customers they will make it, but if they don't what they are doing and give bad advice and/or wrong equipment they won't last very long. It is hard to be local business person giving service to the community. Tom L.L. "*muffin*" wrote in message ... of, course there are people who will pay that much!!! they are the ones who think they are too good to step inside a k-mart! & only do their shopping in high-priced stores (I just cannot get over some people would rather pay $50. for a blender HERE than $25 for the same one at k-mart........ "joe" wrote in message ... Wilson wrote: What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. Yup. Caveat emptor. It's amazing to me that in an age when you can find pretty much the best price on any item (even after shipping) on the internet, people are still willing to just plunk down their hard earned cash for over priced stuff. Just my 2 cents. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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she probably checked her supplyers to find one that would sell the cut
to size peice paid them their price pluss S&H and added her markup John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
Unethical business practices.....
Kelly, sigh...one more time, I asked her to give me a price for a specific liner...she agreed that she'd get a price for a specific size liner, she then priced me a roll of liner and tried to pass it off as a 4'x8' price. Your bread analogy doesn't work well...I go into the store WANTING a whole loaf (LOL) I didn't walk into her store wanting a whole roll of liner. But the point is she lied about it, she called me back and said the price of a 4'x8' liner was $96.00. Period...end of discussion. ~Wilson~ there is now way a whole roll of epdm sells for only 96.00 wholesale it is about 15 c a sq ft and comes in a 20x100 ft roll -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Bill, I initially had the same thought you did about a special order, until
it occurred to me that the store owner could have ordered from the same place Wilson did! Even allowing for a small mark-up, the price would have been reasonable. Or, if she did not have a source for such a special item, she should have honestly said that it was not cost-efficient for her to research prices for something for which she was not likely to have any other customers. Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "PlainBill" wrote in message ... I'd like to point out a few things you perhaps failed to consider. Your local place most likely does not stock pond liner. To fill your request, she would have to special order a roll of material, then keep the balance on hand until another buyer came along. All the while she has the money tied up in inventory, AND the remainder of the roll taking up space in the stockroom. This is why I seldom ask a business to special order items. If they hope to hope to stay in business, they must charge you for the cost of the item, plus the time it takes to locate it, plus the shipping, plus their normal markup. I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. That said, there is no excuse for taking two weeks to call you with the price. PlainBill On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:12:18 -0500, "Wilson" wrote: I recently bought a 5.5' x 15' liner from justliners.com to build my waterfall and was pleased to say the least with the price($23.95 + shipping $8.00 UPS), it was delivered in approx. 4 days and the quality is more than I expected. A week or two before I visited my local (I wouldn't call them a pond supply store), more of a rock/paver/statuary/but we also order pond supplies from Aquascape kind of place....went in and asked her to get me prices on a liner,pump and rocks.....2 weeks later! she calls me back after I already had finished my waterfall and gives me prices on a liner: 4'x8' 45mil-$96.00!! I told her basically that she had rocks in her head and that I now understood why nobody even knew of this place even though it had been open since last October....and that she would never get a dime from me. What I imagine she was doing is charging me for a roll of liner and cutting my piece from it. What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. My .02 Just felt like venting....sorry, we now return you to your regular programming. ~Wilson~ |
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In article ,
Wilson wrote: Kelly, sigh...one more time, I asked her to give me a price for a specific liner...she agreed that she'd get a price for a specific size liner, she then priced me a roll of liner and tried to pass it off as a 4'x8' price. Your bread analogy doesn't work well...I go into the store WANTING a whole loaf (LOL) I didn't walk into her store wanting a whole roll of liner. But the point is she lied about it, she called me back and said the price of a 4'x8' liner was $96.00. No lie. That's exactly what she was planning to charge you for a 4X8 liner; that was her price. If you don't get it, that's OK, I can deal with it. In the meantime, thanks for the tip... I'll investigate justliners.com for my next liner as you recommend, and stay AWAY from any dealer asking 4-5X the going rate. Kelly |
Unethical business practices.....
she probably checked her supplyers to find one that would sell the cut
to size peice paid them their price pluss S&H and added her markup John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
Unethical business practices.....
Kelly, sigh...one more time, I asked her to give me a price for a specific liner...she agreed that she'd get a price for a specific size liner, she then priced me a roll of liner and tried to pass it off as a 4'x8' price. Your bread analogy doesn't work well...I go into the store WANTING a whole loaf (LOL) I didn't walk into her store wanting a whole roll of liner. But the point is she lied about it, she called me back and said the price of a 4'x8' liner was $96.00. Period...end of discussion. ~Wilson~ there is now way a whole roll of epdm sells for only 96.00 wholesale it is about 15 c a sq ft and comes in a 20x100 ft roll -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
Unethical business practices.....
Bill, I initially had the same thought you did about a special order, until
it occurred to me that the store owner could have ordered from the same place Wilson did! Even allowing for a small mark-up, the price would have been reasonable. Or, if she did not have a source for such a special item, she should have honestly said that it was not cost-efficient for her to research prices for something for which she was not likely to have any other customers. Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "PlainBill" wrote in message ... I'd like to point out a few things you perhaps failed to consider. Your local place most likely does not stock pond liner. To fill your request, she would have to special order a roll of material, then keep the balance on hand until another buyer came along. All the while she has the money tied up in inventory, AND the remainder of the roll taking up space in the stockroom. This is why I seldom ask a business to special order items. If they hope to hope to stay in business, they must charge you for the cost of the item, plus the time it takes to locate it, plus the shipping, plus their normal markup. I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. That said, there is no excuse for taking two weeks to call you with the price. PlainBill On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:12:18 -0500, "Wilson" wrote: I recently bought a 5.5' x 15' liner from justliners.com to build my waterfall and was pleased to say the least with the price($23.95 + shipping $8.00 UPS), it was delivered in approx. 4 days and the quality is more than I expected. A week or two before I visited my local (I wouldn't call them a pond supply store), more of a rock/paver/statuary/but we also order pond supplies from Aquascape kind of place....went in and asked her to get me prices on a liner,pump and rocks.....2 weeks later! she calls me back after I already had finished my waterfall and gives me prices on a liner: 4'x8' 45mil-$96.00!! I told her basically that she had rocks in her head and that I now understood why nobody even knew of this place even though it had been open since last October....and that she would never get a dime from me. What I imagine she was doing is charging me for a roll of liner and cutting my piece from it. What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. My .02 Just felt like venting....sorry, we now return you to your regular programming. ~Wilson~ |
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In article ,
Wilson wrote: Kelly, sigh...one more time, I asked her to give me a price for a specific liner...she agreed that she'd get a price for a specific size liner, she then priced me a roll of liner and tried to pass it off as a 4'x8' price. Your bread analogy doesn't work well...I go into the store WANTING a whole loaf (LOL) I didn't walk into her store wanting a whole roll of liner. But the point is she lied about it, she called me back and said the price of a 4'x8' liner was $96.00. No lie. That's exactly what she was planning to charge you for a 4X8 liner; that was her price. If you don't get it, that's OK, I can deal with it. In the meantime, thanks for the tip... I'll investigate justliners.com for my next liner as you recommend, and stay AWAY from any dealer asking 4-5X the going rate. Kelly |
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john rutz wrote: she probably checked her supplyers to find one that would sell the cut to size peice paid them their price pluss S&H and added her markup I havent bought epdm in a couple years I called three local suplyers prices ranged from 21 - 32 for that peice John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Anne, there is a saying, "Time is money". The typical shopkeeper has
many things to do. Finding the lowest cost for a special order item is pretty low on the list of priorities for most of them. As I see it, the shopkeeper was negligent - she should have gotten back to Wilson within a day. Two weeks is unreasonable for a task that should have taken no more than 10 minutes. However, that is not unethical. And quoting a price several times higher than an e-store charges is not unethical - we have no idea what she would have to pay for it! PlainBill On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:02:19 GMT, "Anne Lurie" wrote: Bill, I initially had the same thought you did about a special order, until it occurred to me that the store owner could have ordered from the same place Wilson did! Even allowing for a small mark-up, the price would have been reasonable. Or, if she did not have a source for such a special item, she should have honestly said that it was not cost-efficient for her to research prices for something for which she was not likely to have any other customers. Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "PlainBill" wrote in message .. . I'd like to point out a few things you perhaps failed to consider. Your local place most likely does not stock pond liner. To fill your request, she would have to special order a roll of material, then keep the balance on hand until another buyer came along. All the while she has the money tied up in inventory, AND the remainder of the roll taking up space in the stockroom. This is why I seldom ask a business to special order items. If they hope to hope to stay in business, they must charge you for the cost of the item, plus the time it takes to locate it, plus the shipping, plus their normal markup. I also disagree with your title - there is nothing unethical in a shopkeeper trying to make a profit. If she doesn't, she won't be in business very long. That said, there is no excuse for taking two weeks to call you with the price. PlainBill On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:12:18 -0500, "Wilson" wrote: I recently bought a 5.5' x 15' liner from justliners.com to build my waterfall and was pleased to say the least with the price($23.95 + shipping $8.00 UPS), it was delivered in approx. 4 days and the quality is more than I expected. A week or two before I visited my local (I wouldn't call them a pond supply store), more of a rock/paver/statuary/but we also order pond supplies from Aquascape kind of place....went in and asked her to get me prices on a liner,pump and rocks.....2 weeks later! she calls me back after I already had finished my waterfall and gives me prices on a liner: 4'x8' 45mil-$96.00!! I told her basically that she had rocks in her head and that I now understood why nobody even knew of this place even though it had been open since last October....and that she would never get a dime from me. What I imagine she was doing is charging me for a roll of liner and cutting my piece from it. What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. My .02 Just felt like venting....sorry, we now return you to your regular programming. ~Wilson~ |
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Wilson, sorry my friend, but I fail to see what was unethical in what she
did. Yes it's crummy that she took two weeks to reply back to you. But let's face it, special order items are pretty low on the priority list of things a store owner must worry about. Admittedly it only takes 10 minutes to fax/email/call the supplier and ask about the price of a custom liner, and she should have had the price ready for you in a day or two. Let's pretend she was extremely agressive in her attempt to find a cheaper supplier for a single order liner, how much profit would she have made? Compare that to the time and resources she spent looking for that, rather then just calling her standard supplier and asking them for the price on it. Given the standard retail markup is 2 times wholesale, if custom cut liner is $32 (including shipping), retail would be about $64, given it's a niche product in a specialty shop, the markups are higher, so $90 is reasonable. Go to http://maps.yahoo.com and look at where justliners is located. 35507B Clearpond Road, Shawnee, OK 74801 I bet justliners doesn't have, the lease overhead that your local store does. When you go on vacation, and visit an amusement park, the t-shirts sold there are often about $25 each. Old Navy sells t-shirts, 3 for $10. Do you consider that unethical? The lesson to be learnt here is America is based on a free market economy, if someone wants to sell liners for $100 they can, you can buy it, or you can find someone else to sell you the same item for less. Sameer "Wilson" wrote in message ... I recently bought a 5.5' x 15' liner from justliners.com to build my waterfall and was pleased to say the least with the price($23.95 + shipping $8.00 UPS), it was delivered in approx. 4 days and the quality is more than I expected. A week or two before I visited my local (I wouldn't call them a pond supply store), more of a rock/paver/statuary/but we also order pond supplies from Aquascape kind of place....went in and asked her to get me prices on a liner,pump and rocks.....2 weeks later! she calls me back after I already had finished my waterfall and gives me prices on a liner: 4'x8' 45mil-$96.00!! I told her basically that she had rocks in her head and that I now understood why nobody even knew of this place even though it had been open since last October....and that she would never get a dime from me. What I imagine she was doing is charging me for a roll of liner and cutting my piece from it. What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. My .02 Just felt like venting....sorry, we now return you to your regular programming. ~Wilson~ |
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Wilson, sorry my friend, but I fail to see what was unethical in what she
did. Yes it's crummy that she took two weeks to reply back to you. But let's face it, special order items are pretty low on the priority list of things a store owner must worry about. Admittedly it only takes 10 minutes to fax/email/call the supplier and ask about the price of a custom liner, and she should have had the price ready for you in a day or two. Let's pretend she was extremely agressive in her attempt to find a cheaper supplier for a single order liner, how much profit would she have made? Compare that to the time and resources she spent looking for that, rather then just calling her standard supplier and asking them for the price on it. Given the standard retail markup is 2 times wholesale, if custom cut liner is $32 (including shipping), retail would be about $64, given it's a niche product in a specialty shop, the markups are higher, so $90 is reasonable. Go to http://maps.yahoo.com and look at where justliners is located. 35507B Clearpond Road, Shawnee, OK 74801 I bet justliners doesn't have, the lease overhead that your local store does. When you go on vacation, and visit an amusement park, the t-shirts sold there are often about $25 each. Old Navy sells t-shirts, 3 for $10. Do you consider that unethical? The lesson to be learnt here is America is based on a free market economy, if someone wants to sell liners for $100 they can, you can buy it, or you can find someone else to sell you the same item for less. Sameer "Wilson" wrote in message ... I recently bought a 5.5' x 15' liner from justliners.com to build my waterfall and was pleased to say the least with the price($23.95 + shipping $8.00 UPS), it was delivered in approx. 4 days and the quality is more than I expected. A week or two before I visited my local (I wouldn't call them a pond supply store), more of a rock/paver/statuary/but we also order pond supplies from Aquascape kind of place....went in and asked her to get me prices on a liner,pump and rocks.....2 weeks later! she calls me back after I already had finished my waterfall and gives me prices on a liner: 4'x8' 45mil-$96.00!! I told her basically that she had rocks in her head and that I now understood why nobody even knew of this place even though it had been open since last October....and that she would never get a dime from me. What I imagine she was doing is charging me for a roll of liner and cutting my piece from it. What I've learned so far about buying supplies for ponds is you must look around, most places prices are way out of wack on most thing...example: I visited a pond supplier in a nearby town that carried barley(my mom wanted me to pick her up some for her pond) $45.00 for what amounted to a 1/2 pillow size bag of barley! Unreal. I've only checked a few places and websites so far but I'd have to say that justliners.com is probably the best and cheapest place to go. My .02 Just felt like venting....sorry, we now return you to your regular programming. ~Wilson~ |
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"skooch" wrote in message
... Hey BV I thought you lived around "Baltmore". From the sounds of all your problems getting things UD think you lived the "backwoods" and a trip to town was a weekly event and 40 miles away. You would. I don't know if I am not looking hard enough or what. Did you ever get your potash? (0-0-50) I have been too busy to look lately. I have not hit any real garden shops. I have checked the Lowes, Home Depot and a few nursuries to no avail. My local farm co-op dad (20) 5# bags on the shelf today, when I went for mine. If you need it what say we trade some of your Duckweed,. I can't find it around here, every body seems to sell only Azolla. Sure. snip BV. |
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