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RichToyBox 11-08-2003 06:07 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
Brett,

Is this new filter system be a charcoal cartridge or other consumable filter
system? If so, I would highly recommend the use of a chlorine test kit,
before, during and after each use. My BIL was using a home water purifier,
charcoal based, and it was not that old, when he killed one fish, had two
seriously distressed fish. When we tested for chlorine, the tap water was
swimming pool safe.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Brett Fogle" wrote in message
om...
(Timothy Tom) wrote in message

. com...
Most posters appear to be focusing in on the auto-refill system.
Although I find it hard to understand how some type of toxic substance
could get in and persist in there after so much water has gone through
the system, I will try some of the suggestions on testing this (i.e.
filling the pond with tap water from another source, and testing
goldfish in a bowl filled with auto-refill water). Once again the
auto-refill comes off an outside hose water outlet (supplied by the
city water supply).

Thanks,
Timothy



Timothy,

Would you be interested in testing a new pond water filter that we are
developing?

It screws onto the end of your hose, and removes all the toxins
(metals, chlorine, chloramine, etc.)?

Let me know, we're looking for some user feedback.

You can contact me at


Good luck either way,

Thanks,

Brett




RichToyBox 11-08-2003 06:07 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
Brett,

Is this new filter system be a charcoal cartridge or other consumable filter
system? If so, I would highly recommend the use of a chlorine test kit,
before, during and after each use. My BIL was using a home water purifier,
charcoal based, and it was not that old, when he killed one fish, had two
seriously distressed fish. When we tested for chlorine, the tap water was
swimming pool safe.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Brett Fogle" wrote in message
om...
(Timothy Tom) wrote in message

. com...
Most posters appear to be focusing in on the auto-refill system.
Although I find it hard to understand how some type of toxic substance
could get in and persist in there after so much water has gone through
the system, I will try some of the suggestions on testing this (i.e.
filling the pond with tap water from another source, and testing
goldfish in a bowl filled with auto-refill water). Once again the
auto-refill comes off an outside hose water outlet (supplied by the
city water supply).

Thanks,
Timothy



Timothy,

Would you be interested in testing a new pond water filter that we are
developing?

It screws onto the end of your hose, and removes all the toxins
(metals, chlorine, chloramine, etc.)?

Let me know, we're looking for some user feedback.

You can contact me at


Good luck either way,

Thanks,

Brett




RichToyBox 11-08-2003 06:10 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
Brett,

Is this new filter system be a charcoal cartridge or other consumable filter
system? If so, I would highly recommend the use of a chlorine test kit,
before, during and after each use. My BIL was using a home water purifier,
charcoal based, and it was not that old, when he killed one fish, had two
seriously distressed fish. When we tested for chlorine, the tap water was
swimming pool safe.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Brett Fogle" wrote in message
om...
(Timothy Tom) wrote in message

. com...
Most posters appear to be focusing in on the auto-refill system.
Although I find it hard to understand how some type of toxic substance
could get in and persist in there after so much water has gone through
the system, I will try some of the suggestions on testing this (i.e.
filling the pond with tap water from another source, and testing
goldfish in a bowl filled with auto-refill water). Once again the
auto-refill comes off an outside hose water outlet (supplied by the
city water supply).

Thanks,
Timothy



Timothy,

Would you be interested in testing a new pond water filter that we are
developing?

It screws onto the end of your hose, and removes all the toxins
(metals, chlorine, chloramine, etc.)?

Let me know, we're looking for some user feedback.

You can contact me at


Good luck either way,

Thanks,

Brett




Sue Walsh 11-08-2003 03:43 PM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
brett
Timothy,

Would you be interested in testing a new pond water filter that we are
developing?


Tim,

In MHO it would be foolish to add anything new until you have solved
the original problem.

Sue W

Timothy Tom 12-08-2003 01:25 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
(Sue Walsh) wrote in message . com...
brett
Timothy,

Would you be interested in testing a new pond water filter that we are
developing?


Tim,

In MHO it would be foolish to add anything new until you have solved
the original problem.

Sue W


I would be interested in testing a new pond filter, however I do not
think it would be in the best interest of the developer since right
now, it seems that this pond is cursed with some unknown factor.

Anyway, today I plan to do the following test. I will get a bowl of
water from the auto-refill outlet, and a bowl of water from the
kitchen faucet (same source I used successfully to keep fish in a bowl
for a week. I will treat with dechlorinator, and try goldfish in each
bowl. If the goldfish die in the auto-refill water and not the kitchen
sink water, then that tells me it is the auto-refill system that is at
fault. Although this would not tell me why, it would at least give me
some answers.

Will repost when I get an answer.

Timothy

Andrew Burgess 12-08-2003 01:42 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
(Timothy Tom) writes:

Anyway, today I plan to do the following test. I will get a bowl of
water from the auto-refill outlet, and a bowl of water from the
kitchen faucet (same source I used successfully to keep fish in a bowl
for a week.


Maybe also a bowl from the pond (and let it cool off)?


Andrew Burgess 12-08-2003 01:43 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
(Timothy Tom) writes:

Anyway, today I plan to do the following test. I will get a bowl of
water from the auto-refill outlet, and a bowl of water from the
kitchen faucet (same source I used successfully to keep fish in a bowl
for a week.


Maybe also a bowl from the pond (and let it cool off)?


Sam Hopkins 12-08-2003 02:33 PM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
I agree.

"Andrew Burgess" wrote in message
...
(Timothy Tom) writes:

Anyway, today I plan to do the following test. I will get a bowl of
water from the auto-refill outlet, and a bowl of water from the
kitchen faucet (same source I used successfully to keep fish in a bowl
for a week.


Maybe also a bowl from the pond (and let it cool off)?




Timothy Tom 13-08-2003 04:20 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
I am really thinking about giving up on keeping fish in this pond. I
bought 3 bags of ice, and placed them in a large trash bag to prevent
leakage of water. The pond temperature came down to 83 degrees. The
goldfish taken from the bowl from the auto refill system, alive for
24hrs, was acclimated to the pond temp and released in the pond. After
release it looked fine. I watched it for about 10 mins, and once
again it looked fine. After about 90 mins. I checked the pond again
and found it floating. Unless someone tells me that 83 degree water
can kill a goldfish within two hours, I have nothing else to test. I
have no other theories. I have tested everything I can possibly test,
and ruled out everything that can be ruled out. One of the last things
I can do is take the pond water that just killed the fish and bring it
in to the house to further decrease the temp.

Nedra 13-08-2003 04:21 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
Okay... How many gallons of water are in the pond?
How old is your test kit? What are the numbers
for ammonia? What is the pH? NitrIte?

Saying the ammonia " ...not great not likely to be able
to be toxic to the fish" is a big clue.
Makes me think you are missing something Very Crucial.

Buy a new test for the above tests or a kit!

Please get back to us on the ammonia and pH, etc.
numbers.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Timothy Tom" wrote in message
om...
I am really thinking about giving up on keeping fish in this pond. I
bought 3 bags of ice, and placed them in a large trash bag to prevent
leakage of water. The pond temperature came down to 83 degrees. The
goldfish taken from the bowl from the auto refill system, alive for
24hrs, was acclimated to the pond temp and released in the pond. After
release it looked fine. I watched it for about 10 mins, and once
again it looked fine. After about 90 mins. I checked the pond again
and found it floating. Unless someone tells me that 83 degree water
can kill a goldfish within two hours, I have nothing else to test. I
have no other theories. I have tested everything I can possibly test,
and ruled out everything that can be ruled out. One of the last things
I can do is take the pond water that just killed the fish and bring it
in to the house to further decrease the temp.




Cichlidiot 13-08-2003 05:08 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
In rec.ponds Timothy Tom wrote:
I am really thinking about giving up on keeping fish in this pond. I
bought 3 bags of ice, and placed them in a large trash bag to prevent
leakage of water. The pond temperature came down to 83 degrees. The
goldfish taken from the bowl from the auto refill system, alive for
24hrs, was acclimated to the pond temp and released in the pond. After
release it looked fine. I watched it for about 10 mins, and once
again it looked fine. After about 90 mins. I checked the pond again
and found it floating. Unless someone tells me that 83 degree water
can kill a goldfish within two hours, I have nothing else to test. I
have no other theories. I have tested everything I can possibly test,
and ruled out everything that can be ruled out. One of the last things
I can do is take the pond water that just killed the fish and bring it
in to the house to further decrease the temp.


Since that remains the one thing you haven't tested. I say do it. Take one
of the bowls you used in the previous tests (that the fish survived in).
Bring it inside and let it cool off for a day or two. Then try. If the
fish dies, it's not the temp. If it survives, then it is the temp. You
might also want to look into if there is someone in your area who can do
fish necropsies on the dead fish. Perhaps they'd be able to determine the
cause of death.

jammer 13-08-2003 05:11 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
On 12 Aug 2003 17:14:39 -0700, (Timothy Tom) wrote:

I am really thinking about giving up on keeping fish in this pond. I
bought 3 bags of ice, and placed them in a large trash bag to prevent
leakage of water. The pond temperature came down to 83 degrees. The
goldfish taken from the bowl from the auto refill system, alive for
24hrs, was acclimated to the pond temp and released in the pond. After
release it looked fine. I watched it for about 10 mins, and once
again it looked fine. After about 90 mins. I checked the pond again
and found it floating. Unless someone tells me that 83 degree water
can kill a goldfish within two hours, I have nothing else to test. I
have no other theories. I have tested everything I can possibly test,
and ruled out everything that can be ruled out. One of the last things
I can do is take the pond water that just killed the fish and bring it
in to the house to further decrease the temp.


My goldfish survived 88 for a couple weeks.


Cichlidiot 13-08-2003 05:16 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
In rec.ponds Timothy Tom wrote:
I am really thinking about giving up on keeping fish in this pond. I
bought 3 bags of ice, and placed them in a large trash bag to prevent
leakage of water. The pond temperature came down to 83 degrees. The
goldfish taken from the bowl from the auto refill system, alive for
24hrs, was acclimated to the pond temp and released in the pond. After
release it looked fine. I watched it for about 10 mins, and once
again it looked fine. After about 90 mins. I checked the pond again
and found it floating. Unless someone tells me that 83 degree water
can kill a goldfish within two hours, I have nothing else to test. I
have no other theories. I have tested everything I can possibly test,
and ruled out everything that can be ruled out. One of the last things
I can do is take the pond water that just killed the fish and bring it
in to the house to further decrease the temp.


Since that remains the one thing you haven't tested. I say do it. Take one
of the bowls you used in the previous tests (that the fish survived in).
Bring it inside and let it cool off for a day or two. Then try. If the
fish dies, it's not the temp. If it survives, then it is the temp. You
might also want to look into if there is someone in your area who can do
fish necropsies on the dead fish. Perhaps they'd be able to determine the
cause of death.

jammer 13-08-2003 05:18 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 
On 12 Aug 2003 17:14:39 -0700, (Timothy Tom) wrote:

I am really thinking about giving up on keeping fish in this pond. I
bought 3 bags of ice, and placed them in a large trash bag to prevent
leakage of water. The pond temperature came down to 83 degrees. The
goldfish taken from the bowl from the auto refill system, alive for
24hrs, was acclimated to the pond temp and released in the pond. After
release it looked fine. I watched it for about 10 mins, and once
again it looked fine. After about 90 mins. I checked the pond again
and found it floating. Unless someone tells me that 83 degree water
can kill a goldfish within two hours, I have nothing else to test. I
have no other theories. I have tested everything I can possibly test,
and ruled out everything that can be ruled out. One of the last things
I can do is take the pond water that just killed the fish and bring it
in to the house to further decrease the temp.


My goldfish survived 88 for a couple weeks.


Jim Brown 13-08-2003 06:03 AM

Fish pond water kills all fish within 24 hours.
 

Timothy Tom wrote in message
om...
I am really thinking about giving up on keeping fish in this pond. I
bought 3 bags of ice, and placed them in a large trash bag to prevent
leakage of water. The pond temperature came down to 83 degrees. The
goldfish taken from the bowl from the auto refill system, alive for
24hrs, was acclimated to the pond temp and released in the pond. After
release it looked fine. I watched it for about 10 mins, and once
again it looked fine. After about 90 mins. I checked the pond again
and found it floating. Unless someone tells me that 83 degree water
can kill a goldfish within two hours, I have nothing else to test. I
have no other theories. I have tested everything I can possibly test,
and ruled out everything that can be ruled out. One of the last things
I can do is take the pond water that just killed the fish and bring it
in to the house to further decrease the temp.


Using the pond water in the house won't give much of a difference with your
heat wave. Is it possible to rig up some shadecloth over the pond to see if
the water can be cooled a bit out of the direct sun?
It also might be worthwhile to try some warmth loving fish in the pond.
Perhaps a male Betta as it can handle less than perfect water, a couple rosy
reds, some danios, those sort of small testers.

Jim




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