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OT ~ Mad Moo Cow in SE WA
Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html |
OT ~ Mad Moo Cow in SE WA
Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for
Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Folks,
Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new
machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message .. . Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Yes that spinal cord recovery system really shocked me. How dumb can the industry get? In testing 30 % of the meat they recovered tested positive for spinal cord tissue in it. (This is not a test of the current recall, just a test on the advanced meat recovery system) In addition to hot dogs it goes into pizza toppings, taco fillings, meatballs, bologna. And that stuff could end up anywhere in the country. Since they knew it was only a matter of time when this showed up in the states WHY did they keep on doing this advanced meat recovery off of spinal cords? We are getting a lot of very detailed coverage here since we are the ones who had ended up with meat that was recalled. The only problem is what if you already ate it??? Can't recall that! Supposedly this cow's brains, spinal cord and nerves were removed and sent to a rendering plant where it was going to, or already has, been turned into chicken feed or sent to the cosmetics industry (major ew factor there!). Though how much we'll ever really know, I'm not sure. ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html |
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There is good reason to be cautious Jan. Prions (infectious proteins) have been
shown to infect muscles like the tongue thru the nervous tissue (http://www.nature.com/nsu/021230/021230-5.html). Muscles are loaded with nerves. But more important is what is NOT KNOWN. For instance, a meat packer in England got the human form of BSE even tho he was a vegetarian. They think it was from handling the meat. Most puzzling of all is the epidemic of "mad deer" in Wisconsin and other states. Evidently wild game farms were allowed to feed recycled meat products to their game farm deer. These deer jumped the fence and mixed with the wild deer population and it spread. SPREAD???!!!! nobody seems to have a handle on how it spread from deer to deer in the wild, altho wild deer could have been jumping into the farm and eating contaminated feed. We do know prion disease has been present in wild Elk for a long time. http://www.wisc.edu/foodsafety/consu...sheets/BSE.htm suggests that prions can be spread by blood. And you are correct, normal cooking temps dont kill it, nor does freezing. Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message . .. Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Ah well, its like the cow in Canada.. When everyone went nuts to avoid
Canadian Beef, it was barely noted that cow originally came from a US producer, most likely where it originally contracted the BSE... How ironic is it when the shoe is on the other foot.??.. I suspect the beef market in the US is going to be in some trouble for the next year or so. Timmer... wrote in message ... There is good reason to be cautious Jan. Prions (infectious proteins) have been shown to infect muscles like the tongue thru the nervous tissue (http://www.nature.com/nsu/021230/021230-5.html). Muscles are loaded with nerves. But more important is what is NOT KNOWN. For instance, a meat packer in England got the human form of BSE even tho he was a vegetarian. They think it was from handling the meat. Most puzzling of all is the epidemic of "mad deer" in Wisconsin and other states. Evidently wild game farms were allowed to feed recycled meat products to their game farm deer. These deer jumped the fence and mixed with the wild deer population and it spread. SPREAD???!!!! nobody seems to have a handle on how it spread from deer to deer in the wild, altho wild deer could have been jumping into the farm and eating contaminated feed. We do know prion disease has been present in wild Elk for a long time. http://www.wisc.edu/foodsafety/consu...sheets/BSE.htm suggests that prions can be spread by blood. And you are correct, normal cooking temps dont kill it, nor does freezing. Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message . .. Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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That is true information Jan... That is why the plants that processed the
cow that tested positive recalled lots of ground meat. The other potential problem is that grinding equipment is not cleaned and disinfected properly in many cases. This is why we have seen mass recalls in recent years with e-coli bacteria. Now I will say from the perspective of a former beef producer this is something to worry about. BSE is rarely a case of a single cow infected... :o\ The US Ag dept. has been warned for years that not nearly enough testing was/is being done to detect it. A total of 20,000 head were tested this year, up over 50% from last year. This is still not enough animals tested, as the EU has atested to repeatedly. Recent studies have also pointed towards BSE being a naturally occuring gentic mutation resulting in the prion which should be even more concerning to the general public... Janet A former beef producer in Niagara Falls, ON "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message .. . Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Well said Timmer. What we find ironic up here is that when our case was
detected according to the almighty US Ag Dept it was the end of the world. Now that a case has been found on US soil it's "nothing to worry about"... I hate to say it but karma has a way of coming back and biting one in the butt. Every other world market has been reopened to Canadian beef *except* the US, all thanks to the extensive lobbying on Capital Hill of the US Cattlemens Assoc. Thanks to that lobbying the US cattle industry has been enjoying almost record high prices at the expense of Canadian cattlemen who are still facing loosing everything... For those who don't know the facts millions of head of US born beef are shipped into Canada as "feeders" to be fattened up on cheap Canadian wheat. They are then either shipped back to the US for slaughter or slaughtered here and shipped back as carcasses.... Janet "T" wrote in message hlink.net... Ah well, its like the cow in Canada.. When everyone went nuts to avoid Canadian Beef, it was barely noted that cow originally came from a US producer, most likely where it originally contracted the BSE... How ironic is it when the shoe is on the other foot.??.. I suspect the beef market in the US is going to be in some trouble for the next year or so. Timmer... wrote in message ... There is good reason to be cautious Jan. Prions (infectious proteins) have been shown to infect muscles like the tongue thru the nervous tissue (http://www.nature.com/nsu/021230/021230-5.html). Muscles are loaded with nerves. But more important is what is NOT KNOWN. For instance, a meat packer in England got the human form of BSE even tho he was a vegetarian. They think it was from handling the meat. Most puzzling of all is the epidemic of "mad deer" in Wisconsin and other states. Evidently wild game farms were allowed to feed recycled meat products to their game farm deer. These deer jumped the fence and mixed with the wild deer population and it spread. SPREAD???!!!! nobody seems to have a handle on how it spread from deer to deer in the wild, altho wild deer could have been jumping into the farm and eating contaminated feed. We do know prion disease has been present in wild Elk for a long time. http://www.wisc.edu/foodsafety/consu...sheets/BSE.htm suggests that prions can be spread by blood. And you are correct, normal cooking temps dont kill it, nor does freezing. Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message . .. Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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That is true information Jan... That is why the plants that processed the
cow that tested positive recalled lots of ground meat. The other potential problem is that grinding equipment is not cleaned and disinfected properly in many cases. This is why we have seen mass recalls in recent years with e-coli bacteria. Now I will say from the perspective of a former beef producer this is something to worry about. BSE is rarely a case of a single cow infected... :o\ The US Ag dept. has been warned for years that not nearly enough testing was/is being done to detect it. A total of 20,000 head were tested this year, up over 50% from last year. This is still not enough animals tested, as the EU has atested to repeatedly. Recent studies have also pointed towards BSE being a naturally occuring gentic mutation resulting in the prion which should be even more concerning to the general public... Janet A former beef producer in Niagara Falls, ON "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message .. . Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Well said Timmer. What we find ironic up here is that when our case was
detected according to the almighty US Ag Dept it was the end of the world. Now that a case has been found on US soil it's "nothing to worry about"... I hate to say it but karma has a way of coming back and biting one in the butt. Every other world market has been reopened to Canadian beef *except* the US, all thanks to the extensive lobbying on Capital Hill of the US Cattlemens Assoc. Thanks to that lobbying the US cattle industry has been enjoying almost record high prices at the expense of Canadian cattlemen who are still facing loosing everything... For those who don't know the facts millions of head of US born beef are shipped into Canada as "feeders" to be fattened up on cheap Canadian wheat. They are then either shipped back to the US for slaughter or slaughtered here and shipped back as carcasses.... Janet "T" wrote in message hlink.net... Ah well, its like the cow in Canada.. When everyone went nuts to avoid Canadian Beef, it was barely noted that cow originally came from a US producer, most likely where it originally contracted the BSE... How ironic is it when the shoe is on the other foot.??.. I suspect the beef market in the US is going to be in some trouble for the next year or so. Timmer... wrote in message ... There is good reason to be cautious Jan. Prions (infectious proteins) have been shown to infect muscles like the tongue thru the nervous tissue (http://www.nature.com/nsu/021230/021230-5.html). Muscles are loaded with nerves. But more important is what is NOT KNOWN. For instance, a meat packer in England got the human form of BSE even tho he was a vegetarian. They think it was from handling the meat. Most puzzling of all is the epidemic of "mad deer" in Wisconsin and other states. Evidently wild game farms were allowed to feed recycled meat products to their game farm deer. These deer jumped the fence and mixed with the wild deer population and it spread. SPREAD???!!!! nobody seems to have a handle on how it spread from deer to deer in the wild, altho wild deer could have been jumping into the farm and eating contaminated feed. We do know prion disease has been present in wild Elk for a long time. http://www.wisc.edu/foodsafety/consu...sheets/BSE.htm suggests that prions can be spread by blood. And you are correct, normal cooking temps dont kill it, nor does freezing. Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message . .. Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? "Ka30P" wrote in message ... Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html |
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Top of the evening,
The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? "Ka30P" wrote in message ... Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html |
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Clyde asked The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? Latest word is the cow came from Canada and there will be more. (NOT to get in the middle of the strains of "Blame Canada" being of Canadian birth mineself, but that is what we are hearing now) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html |
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Ingrid is such a gem when it comes to stuff like this.
She gives an article URL and did any one read it or just assumed she knows what she is talking about. The article states that the tongues of Hamsters showed high level of prions when the abnormal prions were injected into the Hamster's Brain. The article goes on to say, and I quote; "This doesn't prove that cows with BSE have prion-loaded tongues, or that eating these tongues could cause human disease, says Bessen, who works at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska." Also research has not shown the prions to be in nerve ends and ganglia of muscle tissue of beef. This is usually found in the brains and the spinal column nervous system. The article also pointed out that mice remained healthy when injected with nerve tissue from Beef tongue. All the article said was that because of what happened with Hamsters, it would support further research in to this avenue, but nothing conclusive as been found. Let us all remember that one cow was found to have the disease and it was found to have come from Canada two years ago. Also there is no human response to the disease yet here in the US or Canada from what I have heard in the form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Also something to remember is that when disease was found in Great Britain in 1994 in humans by the end of the year only 8 people were infected and to this day only supposition has been given as to how these people got it, since there was no correlation between these eight people. Now as the counting continued in 1999, five years later, the accumulated total of people that succumbed to the disease were 24. It would seem to me that if you want to get your underwear in a knot about something why not start stamping your feet about the AID epidemic in Africa where every third person in Central Africa has AIDS and in southern Africa every 4th person has it. In provinces in and around South Africa there are 200,000 children orphaned by AIDS taking both Mother and Father. These chi ldren have no one. There are no social services like here in the US or Canada. The children have nothing or no one to help. I find this thread interesting that there is all this pointing of fingers, and some of Canadian members seem to be gleeful because is has happened here in the US. If you wanted to be scared about a possible situation, think what would happen in both the US, Canada and Europe if MCD got into the Holstein herds. Holsteins produce 95% of the milk worldwide. Hey, milk has proteins, if milk producing herds had to be destroyed it would devastate both the US and Canada, not forgetting Europe. Let's just hope that now something will we done, instead of just pointing fingers and the making of political accusations. Tom L.L. ---------------------------------------- wrote in message ... There is good reason to be cautious Jan. Prions (infectious proteins) have been shown to infect muscles like the tongue thru the nervous tissue (http://www.nature.com/nsu/021230/021230-5.html). Muscles are loaded with nerves. But more important is what is NOT KNOWN. For instance, a meat packer in England got the human form of BSE even tho he was a vegetarian. They think it was from handling the meat. Most puzzling of all is the epidemic of "mad deer" in Wisconsin and other states. Evidently wild game farms were allowed to feed recycled meat products to their game farm deer. These deer jumped the fence and mixed with the wild deer population and it spread. SPREAD???!!!! nobody seems to have a handle on how it spread from deer to deer in the wild, altho wild deer could have been jumping into the farm and eating contaminated feed. We do know prion disease has been present in wild Elk for a long time. http://www.wisc.edu/foodsafety/consu...sheets/BSE.htm suggests that prions can be spread by blood. And you are correct, normal cooking temps dont kill it, nor does freezing. Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: We've been getting some interesting info in our local paper regarding new machinery called Advance Meat Recovery Systems. This scrapes meat off very close to the bone and supposedly can pick up some brain or spinal column tissue where the prions of (BSE) Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy hangs out. True, it's not in the muscle meat, but hamburger is definitely suspect w/hot dogs being more so. Heat doesn't kill it.... at least not the heat temps we cook at. They say the risk is low, but who wants to be that or 1 person? I'm not scared enough to toss the meat I have in the freezer purchased prior to Daisy going thru the system, but I'm not eating it, or any beef, till I get more answers. ~ jan On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:54:19 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote: Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Plus there are no known cases of anyone, I repeat, anyone getting MCD from Muscle tissue, like hamburger, steaks, etc. Now if you are into eating Cow Brains in your scramble eggs then you may be at risk. Tom L.L. "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message . .. Yup, and jj was in the now infamous Moses Lake, her home town, for Christmas. The internet is so nice though, I was able to go right to a website with the phone #s of the meat company. They where very nice and I found out that Death Daisy isn't in any of the hamburger-in-a-tube that I purchased. Though I do worry that Daisy might have gone thru the grinder just before my burger did, so one pack that is dated well after her demise is gonna get tossed. As always though, it appears our industry needs to do more to clean up its act, according to news articles coming out. Everyone might want to consider buying their beef and freezing it for a month before consuming since it took 10 days for them to notify consumers after slaughter. We yet to be given information on how long it takes from slaughter to the dinner table. Perhaps someone here knows? ~ jan On 25 Dec 2003 20:17:57 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Well, drat! Here SE WA is in the news and not a happy story. The Mad Moo Cow came from a farm not too far from where jj and k30a live. And it looks like both jj and k30a had ground beef from the plant that processed the poor cow. All ground meat is off the shelves at our stores, part of the recall. Not that we're all that worried from what we've been reading but sheesh! What a way to waltz into Christmas! And here I was teasing my CA brother about his free range turkey at Thanksgiving! ;-) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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"Ka30P" wrote in message ... Clyde asked The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? Latest word is the cow came from Canada and there will be more. (NOT to get in the middle of the strains of "Blame Canada" being of Canadian birth mineself, but that is what we are hearing now) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html I smell a rat... Seems almost to much like a coincidence to me...( BTW I don't believe in coincidences because things happen for a reason...) I heard from an employee from a very large Chain store that there was talk about nixxing the imports because Canada was going to have a problem with thier domestic beef... Funny how the shoe fits, and how much irritation it has caused because its a tight shoe... Essshh.. Tim... |
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Clyde asked
The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? Probably the first one that showed a problem and got tested? Supposedly there were 70 some that came from the same original farm, and they're tracking all those down. Since they're dairy cows I assume we're not in dire trouble if none of the others have been slaughtered as of yet. In Canada, were they dairy or beef cows that tested positive? I'm not about to place blame either way. What's true and/or what really is we don't find out till 20 years, since our governments can seem to keep their own information straight. So far I've heard that "Daisy" was 12 yo, 6 yo, 4.5 yo. Sheesh. I think we can trust she was a cow. ;o) ~ jan On 27 Dec 2003 21:09:32 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Latest word is the cow came from Canada and there will be more. (NOT to get in the middle of the strains of "Blame Canada" being of Canadian birth mineself, but that is what we are hearing now) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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"T" wrote in message hlink.net... "Ka30P" wrote in message ... Clyde asked The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? Latest word is the cow came from Canada and there will be more. (NOT to get in the middle of the strains of "Blame Canada" being of Canadian birth mineself, but that is what we are hearing now) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html I smell a rat... Seems almost to much like a coincidence to me...( BTW I don't believe in coincidences because things happen for a reason...) I heard from an employee from a very large Chain store that there was talk about nixxing the imports because Canada was going to have a problem with thier domestic beef... Funny how the shoe fits, and how much irritation it has caused because its a tight shoe... Essshh.. Tim... I small a huge rat! Especially because the US does not have a cattle health registry as Canada does! I'd love to see how they researched where that cow came from, especially this quick..... Janet |
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"Tom La Bron" wrote in message ...
Folks, Of course, you must know that the majority of this scare is media driven. Mad Cow Disease (MCD) is transmitted trough nerve tissue and unless you are eating raw meat you won't get MCD. Excuse me, but that is inaccurate. The proteins that cause this class of disease can withstand cooking. It can withstand anything that does not turn it into ashes, which poses a bit of a problem for surgeons; steam sterilizers are not hot enough to decontaminate surgical instruments (per a news article on the subject back when England was having trouble with it). CWD in deer: One of the posters in misc.rural stated that she had been told by her vet that chronic wasting desease was carried by rabbits and deer got it by eating rabbit dung. (That seems an odd thing for deer to eat, and raises the question as to how deer catch it from other deer.) She was going to get back to the group on monday. I was not able to find anything on the net about that link. (There's many different prion diseases, and if this is the same one that caused a few human deaths, then how come there have not been a lot more human deaths? Lots of wild rabbits get eaten every year.) The posters in misc.rural are pretty concerned as several of them raise cattle. The group has a chronic problem with trolls cross posting to the animal politics groups and the veggy groups, so you will need to pick and choose which to read. The main thread is "Holy Shit" G. |
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She gives an article URL and did any one read it
I didn't read it, because what she had to say was good enough for me. ;o) Let us all remember that one cow was found to have the disease and it was found to have come from Canada two years ago. Also there is no human response to the disease yet here in the US or Canada from what I have heard in the form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Well it's a little too soon to track that. But there have been cases (not-trackable to cause) of CJ disease in the US. Also something to remember is that when disease was found in Great Britain in 1994 Is that the year they admitted to having it or actually found it? My understanding from articles is GB kept it quiet for some time and that is why they suffered the deaths and financial losses that they did. stamping your feet about the AID epidemic in Africa The children have nothing or no one to help. Let's not go there, start a new thread about it if you wish, else I'm apt to say something really stupid and insensitive like "They have Oprah" and I don't want to do that. We can discuss MCD if we want, for goodness sake. some of Canadian members seem to be gleeful I didn't get that impression at all. I sure can understand the feelings of "what goes around comes around" as far as how Canada was treated like it had the plague and our officials are pooing pooing our problem and saying "low/minimal risk". Like excuse me, I possibly ate this GD cow and there is no test or cure and the disease is like really awful to die from? Don't be telling me "low risk, or even very low risk" after I've eaten the dang thing!!! I like to make a choice when it comes to risky behavior. what would happen in both the US, Canada and Europe if MCD got into the Holstein herds. Holsteins produce 95% of the milk worldwide. Hate to burst your bubble, Tom, but apparently you haven't been keeping up with this current story. 1) It was a Dairy Cow and 2) It doesn't get into the milk (at least that is what they're telling us). All farms under quarantine right now are Dairy Farms. Let's just hope that now something will we done On that note, I fully agree!! Micro Chip those doggies, E I E I O! ~ jan ~Keep 'em Wet~ Zone 7a |
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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Clyde asked The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? Probably the first one that showed a problem and got tested? Supposedly there were 70 some that came from the same original farm, and they're tracking all those down. Since they're dairy cows I assume we're not in dire trouble if none of the others have been slaughtered as of yet. In Canada, were they dairy or beef cows that tested positive? I'm not about to place blame either way. What's true and/or what really is we don't find out till 20 years, since our governments can seem to keep their own information straight. So far I've heard that "Daisy" was 12 yo, 6 yo, 4.5 yo. Sheesh. I think we can trust she was a cow. ;o) ~ jan On 27 Dec 2003 21:09:32 GMT, EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote: Latest word is the cow came from Canada and there will be more. (NOT to get in the middle of the strains of "Blame Canada" being of Canadian birth mineself, but that is what we are hearing now) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website Check the cbc.ca website... There seems to be a problem on the age of the animal.. Apparently no one can decide on the age of the cow... I think the article mentioned that the US records show the animal to be a little over four years old, and the rancher they are interogating on the Canadian side mentioned it was born in 1997.. About two years difference... Something has gone astray here and there is going to be a bit of a wait.. At least the Canadians never shut of the imprtation of the beef from the younger animals, which has to be a bit of relief for the US ranchers.. Also, I thought the other day Mr Limbaugh had a guest on talking about this situation... I thought he mentioned something along the lines about cattle being this old are generally have thier meat ground, typically used for Pooch food, and often sold to fast food restaurants for patties or taco meat.. Makes me think about a certain restuarant a few years back, using imported meat from Oz.. Did anyone mention it was Kangaroo? I think we need to sit back a bit and see what comes from this.. Theres something not being said ( well D'uh, hard to trust any news source... thank you big bro... ).. Its nice to vent some steam but I know we are semi reasonable ( or at least I try to be ) and we can wait out the ride. Tim... |
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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... some of Canadian members seem to be gleeful I didn't get that impression at all. I sure can understand the feelings of "what goes around comes around" as far as how Canada was treated like it had the plague and our officials are pooing pooing our problem and saying "low/minimal risk". Like excuse me, I possibly ate this GD cow and there is no test or cure and the disease is like really awful to die from? Don't be telling me "low risk, or even very low risk" after I've eaten the dang thing!!! I like to make a choice when it comes to risky behavior. On that note, I fully agree!! Micro Chip those doggies, E I E I O! ~ jan ~Keep 'em Wet~ Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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Well Janet, you aren't gonna appreciate the latest news. They're
(newspaper) saying since they've (USDA, I assume) figured out this "Holstein" cow came out of Canada that we can still consider the US disease free. That importing nations should (trust in us) open their borders to our beef. IMO, if I was an import nation I'd be saying, "I don't think so, bub!" I want to know where those 73 other cows are (that came in with Daisy) that they've yet to track down! I'm not eating any beef till I know, and I want them all tested to see if Daisy was (most likely) a singular incident (as they are also claiming). As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. I can't imagine running a business like that, not knowing where your critters come from. Thank goodness our government will compensate these people, since it is they who make and decide on the rules. Time to kick the Cattlemen's ASSociation in the rump roast if you ask me. ~ jan Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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I was just reading that Jan... Up here we are getting that our Canadian
AG Dept. is not sure that the tag in question belonged to "Daisy". The information doesn't match. According to the tag she was supposed to be 6 but the US AG dept is saying that she was only 4 or 4 /12 (and standing by that "fact"). DNA testing is now being done to try to verify "Daisy's" identity. Now that leaves a real dilemma doesn't it !?! That would mean at least 2 more of her calves are out there somewhere if she does prove to be 6! Apparently our media is reporting that it's common practice for tags to be removed (contrary to our law) when cattle cross the border from Canada into the US. This is why the tag is in question. American ranchers and dairies remove them to insert their own herd id. Apparently from what our media is reporting that the dairy kept the tags of the imported cattle but took them out and put them back in when either shipping them back to Canada or sending to slaughter! :oO It's looking like he didn't get the right tag back in possibly... The problem arises in a case like this and when millions of animals a year are moving across the border and back again.... I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... You'd be surprised Jan and how most ranchers operate. Many seem to be firmly planted in running the ranch like great-grandpappy did. :oO They feel if it was good enough for him it's good enough for YOU to eat! Needless to say when one mentions the way beef cattle are moved to several farms often in 2 seperate countries over their short lives (less than 2 years in most cases) and what that can mean if there is a disease outbreak they laugh and say "It ain't gonna happen here"..... I guess it did huh? Janet "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Well Janet, you aren't gonna appreciate the latest news. They're (newspaper) saying since they've (USDA, I assume) figured out this "Holstein" cow came out of Canada that we can still consider the US disease free. That importing nations should (trust in us) open their borders to our beef. IMO, if I was an import nation I'd be saying, "I don't think so, bub!" I want to know where those 73 other cows are (that came in with Daisy) that they've yet to track down! I'm not eating any beef till I know, and I want them all tested to see if Daisy was (most likely) a singular incident (as they are also claiming). As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. I can't imagine running a business like that, not knowing where your critters come from. Thank goodness our government will compensate these people, since it is they who make and decide on the rules. Time to kick the Cattlemen's ASSociation in the rump roast if you ask me. ~ jan Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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Common sense does not seem to be to common.. You would think to insure the
integrity of the heard they would leave the tags alone and use another tag along side of it... The problem with not knowing where Daisy came from is going to be an intresting case ( like I mentioned at the bottom of the thread ). Not trying to point fingers, but when there is a removal of the takes it defianatly upsets the apple cart, making things a lot harder to prove and yes, much more expensive to the tax payer in eithier country.. As far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Tim.. - "Janet" wrote in message ... I was just reading that Jan... Up here we are getting that our Canadian AG Dept. is not sure that the tag in question belonged to "Daisy". The information doesn't match. According to the tag she was supposed to be 6 but the US AG dept is saying that she was only 4 or 4 /12 (and standing by that "fact"). DNA testing is now being done to try to verify "Daisy's" identity. Now that leaves a real dilemma doesn't it !?! That would mean at least 2 more of her calves are out there somewhere if she does prove to be 6! Apparently our media is reporting that it's common practice for tags to be removed (contrary to our law) when cattle cross the border from Canada into the US. This is why the tag is in question. American ranchers and dairies remove them to insert their own herd id. Apparently from what our media is reporting that the dairy kept the tags of the imported cattle but took them out and put them back in when either shipping them back to Canada or sending to slaughter! :oO It's looking like he didn't get the right tag back in possibly... The problem arises in a case like this and when millions of animals a year are moving across the border and back again.... I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... You'd be surprised Jan and how most ranchers operate. Many seem to be firmly planted in running the ranch like great-grandpappy did. :oO They feel if it was good enough for him it's good enough for YOU to eat! Needless to say when one mentions the way beef cattle are moved to several farms often in 2 seperate countries over their short lives (less than 2 years in most cases) and what that can mean if there is a disease outbreak they laugh and say "It ain't gonna happen here"..... I guess it did huh? Janet "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Well Janet, you aren't gonna appreciate the latest news. They're (newspaper) saying since they've (USDA, I assume) figured out this "Holstein" cow came out of Canada that we can still consider the US disease free. That importing nations should (trust in us) open their borders to our beef. IMO, if I was an import nation I'd be saying, "I don't think so, bub!" I want to know where those 73 other cows are (that came in with Daisy) that they've yet to track down! I'm not eating any beef till I know, and I want them all tested to see if Daisy was (most likely) a singular incident (as they are also claiming). As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. I can't imagine running a business like that, not knowing where your critters come from. Thank goodness our government will compensate these people, since it is they who make and decide on the rules. Time to kick the Cattlemen's ASSociation in the rump roast if you ask me. ~ jan Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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Common sense does not seem to be to common.. You would think to insure the
integrity of the heard they would leave the tags alone and use another tag along side of it... The problem with not knowing where Daisy came from is going to be an intresting case ( like I mentioned at the bottom of the thread ). Not trying to point fingers, but when there is a removal of the takes it defianatly upsets the apple cart, making things a lot harder to prove and yes, much more expensive to the tax payer in eithier country.. As far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Tim.. - "Janet" wrote in message ... I was just reading that Jan... Up here we are getting that our Canadian AG Dept. is not sure that the tag in question belonged to "Daisy". The information doesn't match. According to the tag she was supposed to be 6 but the US AG dept is saying that she was only 4 or 4 /12 (and standing by that "fact"). DNA testing is now being done to try to verify "Daisy's" identity. Now that leaves a real dilemma doesn't it !?! That would mean at least 2 more of her calves are out there somewhere if she does prove to be 6! Apparently our media is reporting that it's common practice for tags to be removed (contrary to our law) when cattle cross the border from Canada into the US. This is why the tag is in question. American ranchers and dairies remove them to insert their own herd id. Apparently from what our media is reporting that the dairy kept the tags of the imported cattle but took them out and put them back in when either shipping them back to Canada or sending to slaughter! :oO It's looking like he didn't get the right tag back in possibly... The problem arises in a case like this and when millions of animals a year are moving across the border and back again.... I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... You'd be surprised Jan and how most ranchers operate. Many seem to be firmly planted in running the ranch like great-grandpappy did. :oO They feel if it was good enough for him it's good enough for YOU to eat! Needless to say when one mentions the way beef cattle are moved to several farms often in 2 seperate countries over their short lives (less than 2 years in most cases) and what that can mean if there is a disease outbreak they laugh and say "It ain't gonna happen here"..... I guess it did huh? Janet "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Well Janet, you aren't gonna appreciate the latest news. They're (newspaper) saying since they've (USDA, I assume) figured out this "Holstein" cow came out of Canada that we can still consider the US disease free. That importing nations should (trust in us) open their borders to our beef. IMO, if I was an import nation I'd be saying, "I don't think so, bub!" I want to know where those 73 other cows are (that came in with Daisy) that they've yet to track down! I'm not eating any beef till I know, and I want them all tested to see if Daisy was (most likely) a singular incident (as they are also claiming). As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. I can't imagine running a business like that, not knowing where your critters come from. Thank goodness our government will compensate these people, since it is they who make and decide on the rules. Time to kick the Cattlemen's ASSociation in the rump roast if you ask me. ~ jan Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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Tim Wrote:
far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Truth be told, I can't remember that, probably because it never got to our newspapers, ya think? Wonder who held that news up? If it did, it probably said, the cow got it (BSE) after it entered Canada. There isn't a story on-line regarding that somewhere is there? I'd like to send it to my local paper. ~ jan On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:46 GMT, "T" wrote: Common sense does not seem to be to common.. You would think to insure the integrity of the heard they would leave the tags alone and use another tag along side of it... The problem with not knowing where Daisy came from is going to be an intresting case ( like I mentioned at the bottom of the thread ). Not trying to point fingers, but when there is a removal of the takes it defianatly upsets the apple cart, making things a lot harder to prove and yes, much more expensive to the tax payer in eithier country.. As far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Tim.. - "Janet" wrote in message .. . I was just reading that Jan... Up here we are getting that our Canadian AG Dept. is not sure that the tag in question belonged to "Daisy". The information doesn't match. According to the tag she was supposed to be 6 but the US AG dept is saying that she was only 4 or 4 /12 (and standing by that "fact"). DNA testing is now being done to try to verify "Daisy's" identity. Now that leaves a real dilemma doesn't it !?! That would mean at least 2 more of her calves are out there somewhere if she does prove to be 6! Apparently our media is reporting that it's common practice for tags to be removed (contrary to our law) when cattle cross the border from Canada into the US. This is why the tag is in question. American ranchers and dairies remove them to insert their own herd id. Apparently from what our media is reporting that the dairy kept the tags of the imported cattle but took them out and put them back in when either shipping them back to Canada or sending to slaughter! :oO It's looking like he didn't get the right tag back in possibly... The problem arises in a case like this and when millions of animals a year are moving across the border and back again.... I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... You'd be surprised Jan and how most ranchers operate. Many seem to be firmly planted in running the ranch like great-grandpappy did. :oO They feel if it was good enough for him it's good enough for YOU to eat! Needless to say when one mentions the way beef cattle are moved to several farms often in 2 seperate countries over their short lives (less than 2 years in most cases) and what that can mean if there is a disease outbreak they laugh and say "It ain't gonna happen here"..... I guess it did huh? Janet "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Well Janet, you aren't gonna appreciate the latest news. They're (newspaper) saying since they've (USDA, I assume) figured out this "Holstein" cow came out of Canada that we can still consider the US disease free. That importing nations should (trust in us) open their borders to our beef. IMO, if I was an import nation I'd be saying, "I don't think so, bub!" I want to know where those 73 other cows are (that came in with Daisy) that they've yet to track down! I'm not eating any beef till I know, and I want them all tested to see if Daisy was (most likely) a singular incident (as they are also claiming). As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. I can't imagine running a business like that, not knowing where your critters come from. Thank goodness our government will compensate these people, since it is they who make and decide on the rules. Time to kick the Cattlemen's ASSociation in the rump roast if you ask me. ~ jan Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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I believe, it was on a Canadian website.. Somehow I think it was the cbc.ca
website or one of its provincial sites.. If I had it some wheres I would kindly send it to you. For some reason I believe it came from a mid western state... Perhaps some of the Canadians here can remember where it wa run or if it was run in local news print they might be able to direct you to the source.. How ever there have been some security measures in place in Canadian airports for quite some time, by the means of a very well saturated ( I presume with some disinfectant ) longer floor matt to great international arrivals. So subtle no one really notices it but it does clean and disinfect the shoes of the travellers. never noticed one here in any US airports, although this may have changed from the last time I flew any wheres ( a week before 9/11 ).. I am very intrested in this story, because I am intrested to see what kind of fluctuations it will have on the markets... Tim... "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Tim Wrote: far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Truth be told, I can't remember that, probably because it never got to our newspapers, ya think? Wonder who held that news up? If it did, it probably said, the cow got it (BSE) after it entered Canada. There isn't a story on-line regarding that somewhere is there? I'd like to send it to my local paper. ~ jan On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:46 GMT, "T" wrote: Common sense does not seem to be to common.. You would think to insure the integrity of the heard they would leave the tags alone and use another tag along side of it... The problem with not knowing where Daisy came from is going to be an intresting case ( like I mentioned at the bottom of the thread ). Not trying to point fingers, but when there is a removal of the takes it defianatly upsets the apple cart, making things a lot harder to prove and yes, much more expensive to the tax payer in eithier country.. As far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Tim.. - "Janet" wrote in message .. . I was just reading that Jan... Up here we are getting that our Canadian AG Dept. is not sure that the tag in question belonged to "Daisy". The information doesn't match. According to the tag she was supposed to be 6 but the US AG dept is saying that she was only 4 or 4 /12 (and standing by that "fact"). DNA testing is now being done to try to verify "Daisy's" identity. Now that leaves a real dilemma doesn't it !?! That would mean at least 2 more of her calves are out there somewhere if she does prove to be 6! Apparently our media is reporting that it's common practice for tags to be removed (contrary to our law) when cattle cross the border from Canada into the US. This is why the tag is in question. American ranchers and dairies remove them to insert their own herd id. Apparently from what our media is reporting that the dairy kept the tags of the imported cattle but took them out and put them back in when either shipping them back to Canada or sending to slaughter! :oO It's looking like he didn't get the right tag back in possibly... The problem arises in a case like this and when millions of animals a year are moving across the border and back again.... I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... You'd be surprised Jan and how most ranchers operate. Many seem to be firmly planted in running the ranch like great-grandpappy did. :oO They feel if it was good enough for him it's good enough for YOU to eat! Needless to say when one mentions the way beef cattle are moved to several farms often in 2 seperate countries over their short lives (less than 2 years in most cases) and what that can mean if there is a disease outbreak they laugh and say "It ain't gonna happen here"..... I guess it did huh? Janet "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Well Janet, you aren't gonna appreciate the latest news. They're (newspaper) saying since they've (USDA, I assume) figured out this "Holstein" cow came out of Canada that we can still consider the US disease free. That importing nations should (trust in us) open their borders to our beef. IMO, if I was an import nation I'd be saying, "I don't think so, bub!" I want to know where those 73 other cows are (that came in with Daisy) that they've yet to track down! I'm not eating any beef till I know, and I want them all tested to see if Daisy was (most likely) a singular incident (as they are also claiming). As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. I can't imagine running a business like that, not knowing where your critters come from. Thank goodness our government will compensate these people, since it is they who make and decide on the rules. Time to kick the Cattlemen's ASSociation in the rump roast if you ask me. ~ jan Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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Ka30P wrote: Clyde asked The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? Latest word is the cow came from Canada and there will be more. (NOT to get in the middle of the strains of "Blame Canada" being of Canadian birth mineself, but that is what we are hearing now) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html an my question is how long have we been eating cows like this without indident till some test tube type named it? John Rutz ( who wont eat anything that doesnt have four legs and horns) |
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Jan I've pulled up a couple os stories that ran but the news service stories
don't seem to be archived. Here's the links.. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...tory/National/ http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/07/03/madcow_us030703 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...nal/TopStories The last article that I read on this after some snooping around the net reports that the Canadian AG dept at the end of their extensive investigation could only say with 95% certainty that the cow that tested positive was Canadian born. They felt it was highly likely that the cow in question came into Canada ( most likely as a fetus)during the mass importation of the 25,000 head of pregnant females. It is now known that those females were fed feed in the US that contained animal proteins... Janet "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Tim Wrote: far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Truth be told, I can't remember that, probably because it never got to our newspapers, ya think? Wonder who held that news up? If it did, it probably said, the cow got it (BSE) after it entered Canada. There isn't a story on-line regarding that somewhere is there? I'd like to send it to my local paper. ~ jan On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:46 GMT, "T" wrote: Common sense does not seem to be to common.. You would think to insure the integrity of the heard they would leave the tags alone and use another tag along side of it... The problem with not knowing where Daisy came from is going to be an intresting case ( like I mentioned at the bottom of the thread ). Not trying to point fingers, but when there is a removal of the takes it defianatly upsets the apple cart, making things a lot harder to prove and yes, much more expensive to the tax payer in eithier country.. As far as the US being BSE free, people must remeber the one that was found in Canada originated from the US which was proven beyond a shadow of doubt... But then again, it doesn't happen here in the US of A does it?? Tim.. - "Janet" wrote in message .. . I was just reading that Jan... Up here we are getting that our Canadian AG Dept. is not sure that the tag in question belonged to "Daisy". The information doesn't match. According to the tag she was supposed to be 6 but the US AG dept is saying that she was only 4 or 4 /12 (and standing by that "fact"). DNA testing is now being done to try to verify "Daisy's" identity. Now that leaves a real dilemma doesn't it !?! That would mean at least 2 more of her calves are out there somewhere if she does prove to be 6! Apparently our media is reporting that it's common practice for tags to be removed (contrary to our law) when cattle cross the border from Canada into the US. This is why the tag is in question. American ranchers and dairies remove them to insert their own herd id. Apparently from what our media is reporting that the dairy kept the tags of the imported cattle but took them out and put them back in when either shipping them back to Canada or sending to slaughter! :oO It's looking like he didn't get the right tag back in possibly... The problem arises in a case like this and when millions of animals a year are moving across the border and back again.... I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... You'd be surprised Jan and how most ranchers operate. Many seem to be firmly planted in running the ranch like great-grandpappy did. :oO They feel if it was good enough for him it's good enough for YOU to eat! Needless to say when one mentions the way beef cattle are moved to several farms often in 2 seperate countries over their short lives (less than 2 years in most cases) and what that can mean if there is a disease outbreak they laugh and say "It ain't gonna happen here"..... I guess it did huh? Janet "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Well Janet, you aren't gonna appreciate the latest news. They're (newspaper) saying since they've (USDA, I assume) figured out this "Holstein" cow came out of Canada that we can still consider the US disease free. That importing nations should (trust in us) open their borders to our beef. IMO, if I was an import nation I'd be saying, "I don't think so, bub!" I want to know where those 73 other cows are (that came in with Daisy) that they've yet to track down! I'm not eating any beef till I know, and I want them all tested to see if Daisy was (most likely) a singular incident (as they are also claiming). As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. I can't imagine running a business like that, not knowing where your critters come from. Thank goodness our government will compensate these people, since it is they who make and decide on the rules. Time to kick the Cattlemen's ASSociation in the rump roast if you ask me. ~ jan Zone 7a This is exactly our point up here in Canada Jan.... WHen it happened to us the US AG dept was all over it spouting the "risks". Now that it's on US soil its nothing to worry about. As for your microchip comment you don't know how true that is!!! Here in Canada a cattle health registry was formed in response to 2 things.The BSE and H&M outbreak in Britain and the EU demanded that any country that wanted to export to the EU must have one in place. What this means that in our case here in Canada when an animal leaves its farm of origin it must be tagged with a registry tag. The tags can only be bought from authorized dealers and they contain a barcode. When the tag is put on an animal a stack of paperwork must be filled out with a history on the animal. That tag stays with the animal right to the packer. If there is a problem it can quickly and accurately be traced through the system. No animal can move through an auction or sale without a tag. Now the US does not have any such program in place. This is due to the lobbying of the US Cattlemens Assoc. They have been stalling this for at least 5 years, if not longer. The EU keeps giving the US an extension based on the bogus word of the Cattlemens Assoc saying that they are "working" on it. The Canadian program has offered to go down to the US, offered it's research into tag life, offered it's tracking software... Even gone so far as to offer to set the damn program up from start to finish and the US Cattlemen have refused! Why?? Stubborness (sp?) is my best bet. They are holding on to a century old way of thinking that they know what's best for the industry, all the while burying their collective heads in the manure pile... Janet |
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I dont know .... the deer hunters in Wisconsin know about the "mad deer" disease in
the deer they are shooting and eating.. doesnt stop em at all. Ingrid "T" wrote: Ah well, its like the cow in Canada.. When everyone went nuts to avoid Canadian Beef, it was barely noted that cow originally came from a US producer, most likely where it originally contracted the BSE... How ironic is it when the shoe is on the other foot.??.. I suspect the beef market in the US is going to be in some trouble for the next year or so. Timmer... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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but it doesnt appear that BSE can be transmitted vertically to young... or thru milk.
Or are they saying there is evidence of that now? Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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it is all "bottom line". they arent allowed to feed recycled meat byproducts to
animals going into the human food chain, but they lobbied to allow "downers" or lame cattle into the human food chain.... and that is where this problem started. Ingrid "Janet" wrote: I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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I have not actually done research on prions, altho I am a virologist and the chairman
of the department where I went to school did do research on prions, using hamsters as a model system. I might say this guy studied every know agent that causes brains to go to mush and had freezers full of the stuff and infected brains and frankly his lab scared me more than down a floor where they were studying the bacteria cause toxic shock syndrome and highly pathogenic strep (my DH). or the floor below studying the virus that causes genital warts (and the whole lab was infected after a centrifuge tube broke). I digress. two things affect infectivity. host adaptation and dose. when he started shooting the hamsters up with prions from another species the hamsters were showing disease near the end of their life. had to use a high dose as well. when the brains of the hamsters were homogenized and used to infect other hamsters the dose of prion needed to infect went way down and the time from infection to disease got shorter. this is called passaging and each passage had a reduction in amount and time to symptom. There is a specific warning about "offal" which includes intestines. intestines also includes lymphatic tissues sites of immune system cells called Peyers patches. lymphatic tissue is suspect including the spleen, another large site of immune cells. every time animals take a dump cells of the intestines are scraped off with the crap. one reason people can fingerprint individual animals from their dung or spoor. rabbits are rather inefficient and even my dogs would go for rabbit poop in a big way. I would be very interested in what the other group has to say about CWD transmission in deer. I know the game farms have admitted feeding meat/bone meal to game animals and losing them over fences. Here in Wisconsin there was a guy up north that was a big hunter, had these huge dinner parties with lots of wild game of all kinds. He has died of CJD and I have heard so have some of his guests. So eating a lot of wild game it is more likely to get an infected animal AND get a big enough dose to cause disease. Yes, there sure are all kinds of prion diseases. Ingrid (Offbreed) wrote: CWD in deer: One of the posters in misc.rural stated that she had been told by her vet that chronic wasting desease was carried by rabbits and deer got it by eating rabbit dung. (That seems an odd thing for deer to eat, and raises the question as to how deer catch it from other deer.) She was going to get back to the group on monday. I was not able to find anything on the net about that link. (There's many different prion diseases, and if this is the same one that caused a few human deaths, then how come there have not been a lot more human deaths? Lots of wild rabbits get eaten every year.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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They want to test the calf to prove it doesn't travel, is my impression.
~ jan On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 04:54:00 GMT, wrote: but it doesnt appear that BSE can be transmitted vertically to young... or thru milk. Or are they saying there is evidence of that now? Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: As far as head in the manure, I sure hope they're paying attention to the rancher who may have to kill all 400 calves because he didn't tag them. Seems one of Daisy's offspring is among them, but they don't know which one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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From "Janet":
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...tory/National/ http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/07/03/madcow_us030703 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...nal/TopStories Wow, thanks Janet. Course they don't really say they knew much either. From the last article, "While it is more likely the cow contracted BSE from a Canadian source" I add, the rest of the article bascially said, there was only a 5% chance it came from the US, and if so, was given feed prior to the 1997 ban. Basically no evidence to claim it absolutely came from the US. The last article that I read on this after some snooping around the net reports that the Canadian AG dept at the end of their extensive investigation could only say with 95% certainty that the cow that tested positive was Canadian born. They felt it was highly likely that the cow in question came into Canada ( most likely as a fetus)during the mass importation of the 25,000 head of pregnant females. It is now known that those females were fed feed in the US that contained animal proteins... So you're saying you got the impression from the articles it was the fetus that picked up BSE from the mother eating infected feed? The fetus and eventually calf/cow was the one they found infected? I must be misunderstanding, because Canada only found 1 BSE cow, if the calf had it, so would have the mother. Unless the calf was fed contaminated feed, which it would have gotten in Canada if born there from the PG US cow. ??? I don't think they've yet to prove it transfers from cow to calf, my understanding, so far, is they're fairly sure it does not. Hopefully we'll should find something out regarding that, when they track down "Daisy's" offspring and test them, since she obviously had BSE before birthing them. In the meantime, I wish they'd find out where those other 73 Holstein cows are. hurrumpt Oh well.... just read in the paper today that even though we have banned these cow parts as cattle feed, we still feed it to other livestock and since all this feed is usually made in the same warehouses, a little sloppiness and we end up with cattle eating cow brains. Honestly, I sure hope they fix this. I think I'm going to go organic until than. ~ jan |
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Good point, which is why I mainly consume poultry, as I find red meat to be very hard on my digestive system IE my case of diverticulitus may have been caused by a staple high in red meats, but also from not eating enough fibers as well. Tim... "john rutz" wrote in message ... Ka30P wrote: Clyde asked The Question I have is why only one cow in the Middle of Washington State? Latest word is the cow came from Canada and there will be more. (NOT to get in the middle of the strains of "Blame Canada" being of Canadian birth mineself, but that is what we are hearing now) ka30p http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html an my question is how long have we been eating cows like this without indident till some test tube type named it? John Rutz ( who wont eat anything that doesnt have four legs and horns) |
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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... From "Janet": http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...coww0703/BNSto ry/National/ http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/07/03/madcow_us030703 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...C/20030704/UCO WWN/TPNational/TopStories Wow, thanks Janet. Course they don't really say they knew much either. From the last article, "While it is more likely the cow contracted BSE from a Canadian source" I add, the rest of the article bascially said, there was only a 5% chance it came from the US, and if so, was given feed prior to the 1997 ban. Basically no evidence to claim it absolutely came from the US. Exactly Jan, as that mass importation of the 25,000 head took place just under the wire as to avoid the cattle health registry that was being put into place. Unfortunately those 25,000 head no longer show their US origins in the records, hence they cannot be sure. The way the registry works is that anything that was here and on your farm at the beginning of the program was tagged as originating at your farm. If a rancher didn't keep their own records there would be no way to track back from there. The last article that I read on this after some snooping around the net reports that the Canadian AG dept at the end of their extensive investigation could only say with 95% certainty that the cow that tested positive was Canadian born. They felt it was highly likely that the cow in question came into Canada ( most likely as a fetus)during the mass importation of the 25,000 head of pregnant females. It is now known that those females were fed feed in the US that contained animal proteins... So you're saying you got the impression from the articles it was the fetus that picked up BSE from the mother eating infected feed? The fetus and eventually calf/cow was the one they found infected? I must be misunderstanding, because Canada only found 1 BSE cow, if the calf had it, so would have the mother. Unless the calf was fed contaminated feed, which it would have gotten in Canada if born there from the PG US cow. ??? IIRC Jan the mother of the cow that tested positive here was previously deceased so could not be tested. They are doing extensive research on this now Jan both here and in the UK. Theoretically BSE could pass from mother to calf in the uterus. Given the fact that there can be such a long incubation period before symptoms appear. These are just a few of the theories that are currently be worked on. Personally I find it rather scarey that they don't know more about BSE. I don't think they've yet to prove it transfers from cow to calf, my understanding, so far, is they're fairly sure it does not. Hopefully we'll should find something out regarding that, when they track down "Daisy's" offspring and test them, since she obviously had BSE before birthing them. In the meantime, I wish they'd find out where those other 73 Holstein cows are. hurrumpt Oh well.... just read in the paper today that even though we have banned these cow parts as cattle feed, we still feed it to other livestock and since all this feed is usually made in the same warehouses, a little sloppiness and we end up with cattle eating cow brains. Honestly, I sure hope they fix this. I think I'm going to go organic until than. ~ jan Isn't this why we see the e-coli recalls in ground beef as well ?? ;o) I think what burns my butt is that even though the ban involving feed went into affect in 1997 I read all the time ranchers shouting the fact they still do it! One in particular over in misc.rural very publically states that her husband was feeding the banned animal proteins right up until last year! Now they are crapping their pants! Jan please don't get me going on organic... read the USDA definitions of what can legally carry the organic label, it might shock you... :o) Janet |
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Exactly Ingrid! The US Cattlemens Assoc spends millions lobbying for what
will be most profitable for the big 3 packers that control the industry. They couldn't give a rat's ass for the actual rancher or what ends up on your plate. I have noticed though that they have been unusually quiet through all this though... Janet wrote in message ... it is all "bottom line". they arent allowed to feed recycled meat byproducts to animals going into the human food chain, but they lobbied to allow "downers" or lame cattle into the human food chain.... and that is where this problem started. Ingrid "Janet" wrote: I am of the opinion that the US Cattlemens Assoc doesn't give a rat's ass for the little guy with a herd of a couple dozen grazing his back 20. They have planted themselves firmly in the pockets of the big 3 packers that control everything.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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