I have a Red Cap goldfish I placed in my pond. I was told it will be happy in
my pond, with the Koi,Comets, Snails,Tadpoles. But they say it should come
indoors in winter. Maryland winters are to harsh for it.
What are your thoughts. Responses Please

yup. inside for winter... or better yet, heat your pond for winter. Ingrid

(WilsonKKW) wrote:

I have a Red Cap goldfish I placed in my pond. I was told it will be happy in
my pond, with the Koi,Comets, Snails,Tadpoles. But they say it should come
indoors in winter. Maryland winters are to harsh for it.
What are your thoughts. Responses Please



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this year anyway :-)

"Mary kate" wrote in message
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http://community-2.webtv.net/mkbfw/Indoorbasement/ My solution for
this year anyway :-)
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This is really nice. :-) It is indeed an indoor pond.

Fortunately, here in TN we don't have to bring in fancy goldfish. They do
fine outside all winter.
--
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Hi - I am still trying to find info on fancies in a pond myself. Can I ask
what temp zone you are in (8b here) - how deep is your pond and what fancies
you have. I've got a small lion head and ryunkin (3"?), a black moor and
red and white oranda both about 4".
Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

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"Mary kate" wrote in message
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http://community-2.webtv.net/mkbfw/Indoorbasement/ My solution for
this year anyway :-)
=======================
This is really nice. :-) It is indeed an indoor pond.

Fortunately, here in TN we don't have to bring in fancy goldfish. They do
fine outside all winter.
--
Carol....
"Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic."
~~~~~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
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Thank you windsong..... it was fun to build.

Newbie Bill wrote:
Hi - I am still trying to find info on fancies in a pond myself. Can I ask
what temp zone you are in (8b here) - how deep is your pond and what fancies
you have. I've got a small lion head and ryunkin (3"?), a black moor and
red and white oranda both about 4".

Everything I have read has led me to make the decision not to put fancy
goldfish in my pond. Main reason for this is because they don't swim as
fast as many other fish so have disadvantages when it comes to eating
and fleeing from predators.

I do have fancy goldfish but they live in my 55 gallon indoor aquarium.
Latest acquisition - pearl scale goldfish. They look like swimming
marbles. I just stand there and laugh when I see them, they're so cute.

http://www.adelaideaquariums.com.au/...earlscale.html

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

Susan,

I understand your concerns, but you'll never get the deep colors like they
become in an outdoor pond. Light red/orange becomes deep blood red. Between
my fake fish heron scarer and motion sprinkler I haven't loss a fantail out
of my lily pond, of course all the pads help hide them too. The nicest
thing is how easy it is for me to catch them and bring them inside before
winter. ~ jan


On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:57:59 -0400, "Susan H. Simko" wrote:

Newbie Bill wrote:
Hi - I am still trying to find info on fancies in a pond myself. Can I ask
what temp zone you are in (8b here) - how deep is your pond and what fancies
you have. I've got a small lion head and ryunkin (3"?), a black moor and
red and white oranda both about 4".

Everything I have read has led me to make the decision not to put fancy
goldfish in my pond. Main reason for this is because they don't swim as
fast as many other fish so have disadvantages when it comes to eating
and fleeing from predators.

I do have fancy goldfish but they live in my 55 gallon indoor aquarium.
Latest acquisition - pearl scale goldfish. They look like swimming
marbles. I just stand there and laugh when I see them, they're so cute.

http://www.adelaideaquariums.com.au/...earlscale.html

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

Susan - I frequently hear the comment about not being able to compete for
food as a negative for fancies/red caps in a pond. In a pond I dont believe
this is a concern because of all the algae available, even if it doesnt get
hand fed. Mine has gotten MUCH bigger in the few months that I have had it,
it seems very happy & active and color is great. In fact I would say it is
flourishing. I recently met a local ponder who has a least one in each of
4 small 100-200 gal preforms. She claims hers seem to be growing better
than the fan tails she also has.

I do have some concerns about predators but for now I hope I am not being
irresponsible. I do have numerous plants, lilies and a ledge as a hiding
place. I know this would probably not deter a heron but being relatively
urban, thus far I have only seen a possum (insect eater) and an egret miles
away. My walls are about 6 inches high even when the pond is completely
full.

Your Pearl Scale - I had a Orange Crowned Pearl Scale as well. Alas, I
found out too late she did not belong in a pond. Not sure if it was being
in a pond in general or fish problems I had which affected her internally
and thus unsolvable for a newbie. But while she was with me she was an
amazing little fish. Have you seen them. Like a Pearl Scale, but I think
the tail is a little bigger and the head is I believe cross bred from an
Oranda. Mine had an orange wen and the large round head like an Oranda. I
hope to have another some day in an aquarium. The only slight deterrent to
this plan is I believe they take a little more tank than many fancies
because they can get quite large. I love the Orandas/Orange Crowns because
they seem to seek your attention rather than flee from you. My Orange Crown
would occasionally let you hold her in the water. Incredibly I read of one
guy who claimed his would actually play with him. It was large, but he
would put a small styrofoam ball in the aquarium and it would head butt it
out.
In any case I guess we all figure out pretty rapidly, they are not just
pond/aquarium decorations. So I can certainly understand/support your
feelings of not being able to properly take care of them in a pond.
Have Fun!!
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

Newbie Bill wrote:

Susan - I frequently hear the comment about not being able to compete for
food as a negative for fancies/red caps in a pond. In a pond I dont believe
this is a concern because of all the algae available, even if it doesnt get
hand fed. Mine has gotten MUCH bigger in the few months that I have had it,
it seems very happy & active and color is great. In fact I would say it is
flourishing. I recently met a local ponder who has a least one in each of
4 small 100-200 gal preforms. She claims hers seem to be growing better
than the fan tails she also has.

We don't have much algae in the pond. The tadpoles are eating it almost
as soon as it appears. I've actually had to start feeding the shubunkin
and rosie reds more frequently and in larger quantities to offset the
algae snacks.

I do have some concerns about predators but for now I hope I am not being
irresponsible. I do have numerous plants, lilies and a ledge as a hiding
place. I know this would probably not deter a heron but being relatively
urban, thus far I have only seen a possum (insect eater) and an egret miles
away. My walls are about 6 inches high even when the pond is completely
full.

My fish have plenty of places to hide. My pond has about a 60%-70%
surface cover of plants. My mother-in-law has chided me on this because
she couldn't easily see the fish. OTOH, I haven't had major problems
with algae blooms nor do I use a UV light to keep it clear. I'm certain
that the water chemistry is being kept in balance simply by a balanced
plant and fish load.

Your Pearl Scale - I had a Orange Crowned Pearl Scale as well. Alas, I
found out too late she did not belong in a pond. Not sure if it was being
in a pond in general or fish problems I had which affected her internally
and thus unsolvable for a newbie. But while she was with me she was an
amazing little fish. Have you seen them. Like a Pearl Scale, but I think
the tail is a little bigger and the head is I believe cross bred from an
Oranda. Mine had an orange wen and the large round head like an Oranda. I
hope to have another some day in an aquarium. The only slight deterrent to
this plan is I believe they take a little more tank than many fancies
because they can get quite large. I love the Orandas/Orange Crowns because
they seem to seek your attention rather than flee from you. My Orange Crown
would occasionally let you hold her in the water. Incredibly I read of one
guy who claimed his would actually play with him. It was large, but he
would put a small styrofoam ball in the aquarium and it would head butt it
out.

I'll have to be on the lookout for an orange crowned. I actually feel
sorry for the little one (for now) as it seems like the tail and fins
just aren't enough to move that marble shaped body. Right now, they're
in a tank with 2 red capped orandas, 2 black moors (technically - one
has decided s/he no longer wanted to be black and has turned orange), 2
calicos and 2 spotted dojos.

Funny, my tank didn't start out to be a goldfish tank. After a five day
power outage in winter several years ago left all my tropicals dead, I
decided to switch to cool water fish in the big tank. I moved the
oranda and calico I had in a smaller tank upstairs to the big tank
downstairs and that was that. Occasionally I miss my angel fish but the
goldfish have such pleasant temperments compared to my former prima donnas.

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

You probably could tell I would heartily recommend them. They actually come
in several colors including calico. Having only ever seen the one for sale
I dont know but I think they may be fairly expensive. Mine was not but I
dont think the vendor really knew what it was or he wouldnt have assured me
it would be okay in a pond. Course then I would have never had her and come
to love her so much, (or cried so much when she passed).
We are also slowly accumulating the parts to set up a 29 gal aquarium. It
will be mostly my wife's. I was surprised recently when she told me she
would probably want gold fish, because of their personality, rahter than
more small community fish which seem more just ornamental.
The regular pearl scale are quite the sight arent they. I have never
observed it but say an article once which said they could be almost
commical. Because of their large body and small head and tail, apparently
they sometimes will go head or tail trying to push that big marble along.
The crowned seem much closer to the Orandas in their swimming style,
They've still gotta shake it to move along but I think that's one of the
endearing things about them. When they come over you definitely know it was
with a purpose. Of course, mine was also probably between 1 and 2 years old.
The pearl scaling was very promininent and beautiful. Maybe they arent
quite so
'graceful' when smaller.

Here is a link I found. Mine was just like the one on the right labeled
Red Crowned but I think it is mislabeled, but perhaps a bit bigger.
http://www.canadiangoldfish.com/members/ted.htm

Have Fun!!
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
Susan H. Simko" wrote in message
...

I'll have to be on the lookout for an orange crowned. I actually feel
sorry for the little one (for now) as it seems like the tail and fins
just aren't enough to move that marble shaped body. Right now, they're
in a tank with 2 red capped orandas, 2 black moors (technically - one
has decided s/he no longer wanted to be black and has turned orange), 2
calicos and 2 spotted dojos.

Funny, my tank didn't start out to be a goldfish tank. After a five day
power outage in winter several years ago left all my tropicals dead, I
decided to switch to cool water fish in the big tank. I moved the oranda
and calico I had in a smaller tank upstairs to the big tank
downstairs and that was that. Occasionally I miss my angel fish but the
goldfish have such pleasant temperments compared to my former prima donnas.



Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

Susan - I frequently hear the comment about not being able to compete for
food as a negative for fancies/red caps in a pond. In a pond I dont believe
this is a concern because of all the algae available, even if it doesnt get
hand fed. Mine has gotten MUCH bigger in the few months that I have had it,
it seems very happy & active and color is great. In fact I would say it is
flourishing. I recently met a local ponder who has a least one in each of
4 small 100-200 gal preforms. She claims hers seem to be growing better
than the fan tails she also has.

I do have some concerns about predators but for now I hope I am not being
irresponsible. I do have numerous plants, lilies and a ledge as a hiding
place. I know this would probably not deter a heron but being relatively
urban, thus far I have only seen a possum (insect eater) and an egret miles
away. My walls are about 6 inches high even when the pond is completely
full.

Your Pearl Scale - I had a Orange Crowned Pearl Scale as well. Alas, I
found out too late she did not belong in a pond. Not sure if it was being
in a pond in general or fish problems I had which affected her internally
and thus unsolvable for a newbie. But while she was with me she was an
amazing little fish. Have you seen them. Like a Pearl Scale, but I think
the tail is a little bigger and the head is I believe cross bred from an
Oranda. Mine had an orange wen and the large round head like an Oranda. I
hope to have another some day in an aquarium. The only slight deterrent to
this plan is I believe they take a little more tank than many fancies
because they can get quite large. I love the Orandas/Orange Crowns because
they seem to seek your attention rather than flee from you. My Orange Crown
would occasionally let you hold her in the water. Incredibly I read of one
guy who claimed his would actually play with him. It was large, but he
would put a small styrofoam ball in the aquarium and it would head butt it
out.
In any case I guess we all figure out pretty rapidly, they are not just
pond/aquarium decorations. So I can certainly understand/support your
feelings of not being able to properly take care of them in a pond.
Have Fun!!
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas