On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:15:47 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote:

## I never did bother to check the exact temps at these times. In fact I
can't even find my thermometer out there. It probably "fell in" again. :-)

Carol, next birthday, Mother's Day, or at least next Christmas you've got
to ask for one of these wireless thermometer. They are SO cool. I can watch
my pond temp from my desk. So when I turned on the pond heater, and the
pond was right at 32*F (+ or - as I've yet to check it accuracy exactly) it
brought it up to 34*F so I turned it off. I suspect it runs pretty constant
due to the slow flow of water around it. I turned it off about 5 hours ago
and I'm down to 33.8*F and the air temp is 18*F with snow falling. I'm
hoping I'll get a good snow cover on the screens again and it will stop
falling, due to the insulating factor.

Anyway, just a thought. ) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:15:47 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote:

## I never did bother to check the exact temps at these times. In fact
I
can't even find my thermometer out there. It probably "fell in" again.
:-)

Carol, next birthday, Mother's Day, or at least next Christmas you've got
to ask for one of these wireless thermometer. They are SO cool. I can
watch
my pond temp from my desk. So when I turned on the pond heater, and the
pond was right at 32*F (+ or - as I've yet to check it accuracy exactly)
it
brought it up to 34*F so I turned it off. I suspect it runs pretty
constant
due to the slow flow of water around it. I turned it off about 5 hours ago
and I'm down to 33.8*F and the air temp is 18*F with snow falling. I'm
hoping I'll get a good snow cover on the screens again and it will stop
falling, due to the insulating factor.

Anyway, just a thought. ) ~ jan
===========================
I'll mention it to my husband. Mine usually ends up at the bottom of the
pond until I make the effort to net it out.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
Completely FREE softwa
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:15:47 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote:

## I never did bother to check the exact temps at these times. In fact
I
can't even find my thermometer out there. It probably "fell in" again.
:-)

Carol, next birthday, Mother's Day, or at least next Christmas you've got
to ask for one of these wireless thermometer. They are SO cool. I can
watch
my pond temp from my desk. So when I turned on the pond heater, and the
pond was right at 32*F (+ or - as I've yet to check it accuracy exactly)
it
brought it up to 34*F so I turned it off. I suspect it runs pretty
constant
due to the slow flow of water around it. I turned it off about 5 hours ago
and I'm down to 33.8*F and the air temp is 18*F with snow falling. I'm
hoping I'll get a good snow cover on the screens again and it will stop
falling, due to the insulating factor.

Anyway, just a thought. ) ~ jan
===========================
I'll mention it to my husband. Mine usually ends up at the bottom of the
pond until I make the effort to net it out.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
Completely FREE softwa
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I don't know about data, crash ... I do know I have 9 years of winters to
draw my own
conclusions ;-) I wouldn't want to insist that my way is the best or only
way but
it has worked for me. - - I have the De Icer going along with two airstones
that
are up about 4 inches from the top of the pond. The fish are all snuggled
at the bottom of
the pond. My pond is about 13 X 15 feet and is almost 3 feet deep. I don't
know
what the temp is as it is covered with a net that has snow on parts of it -
making it too
heavy to lift.... wouldn't at this point in time anyway.
Everyone will have to follow his own lead on this one.

Nedra in Missouri

"Crashj" wrote in message
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On or about Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:14:39 -0500, "RichToyBox"
wrote something like:

An article in the newest issue of KOI USA, by a club member that lives in
Maryland, is very good look at pond deicers, air stones, and pumps. He
argues that you should not use deicers, since they do not create a
current
and water low in oxygen, high in carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulfide and
methane will develop in the bottom of the pond. The densest pure fresh
water occurs at 39 degrees F and will fall to the bottom and stay there,
building levels of pollution which can stress, if not kill the fish. A
bubbler, or a pump, located at the bottom of the pond, forcing water to
the
surface will take the warmer water and help to melt the ice, but more
importantly, give good gas exchange for the water at the bottom of the
pond.

All good in theory, but I want data! Of course one man's data is
another man's garbage out. I am not going to rush outside and move my
bubbler to the bottom tonight.
--
Crashj

I don't know about data, crash ... I do know I have 9 years of winters to
draw my own
conclusions ;-) I wouldn't want to insist that my way is the best or only
way but
it has worked for me. - - I have the De Icer going along with two airstones
that
are up about 4 inches from the top of the pond. The fish are all snuggled
at the bottom of
the pond. My pond is about 13 X 15 feet and is almost 3 feet deep. I don't
know
what the temp is as it is covered with a net that has snow on parts of it -
making it too
heavy to lift.... wouldn't at this point in time anyway.
Everyone will have to follow his own lead on this one.

Nedra in Missouri

"Crashj" wrote in message
...
On or about Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:14:39 -0500, "RichToyBox"
wrote something like:

An article in the newest issue of KOI USA, by a club member that lives in
Maryland, is very good look at pond deicers, air stones, and pumps. He
argues that you should not use deicers, since they do not create a
current
and water low in oxygen, high in carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulfide and
methane will develop in the bottom of the pond. The densest pure fresh
water occurs at 39 degrees F and will fall to the bottom and stay there,
building levels of pollution which can stress, if not kill the fish. A
bubbler, or a pump, located at the bottom of the pond, forcing water to
the
surface will take the warmer water and help to melt the ice, but more
importantly, give good gas exchange for the water at the bottom of the
pond.

All good in theory, but I want data! Of course one man's data is
another man's garbage out. I am not going to rush outside and move my
bubbler to the bottom tonight.
--
Crashj

An article in the newest issue of KOI USA, by a club member that lives
in
Maryland, is very good look at pond deicers, air stones, and pumps. He
argues that you should not use deicers, since they do not create a
current
and water low in oxygen, high in carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulfide and
methane will develop in the bottom of the pond. The densest pure fresh
water occurs at 39 degrees F and will fall to the bottom and stay
there,
building levels of pollution which can stress, if not kill the fish. A
bubbler, or a pump, located at the bottom of the pond, forcing water to
the
surface will take the warmer water and help to melt the ice, but more
importantly, give good gas exchange for the water at the bottom of the
pond.
There will be some cooling of the bottom water, by its mixing with the
colder surface water, but the amount is dependent on the size of the
pump.
A small pump will not expose large quantities of water to the mixing
action.
I think he uses 750 gph pumps. The ground will continue to provide some

heat to the bottom of the pond, keeping it near the 39 degree level.
-------------------------------------------

I am trying to figure out why the 750 gph pump description for an air
pump. I am wondering if anyone will come up with my idea for keeping a
deicing simular to this. I did send it in a couple emails. And just
waiting for the idea to hit here without my help. But I am a novice
pond person.

Keith