I have asked (and had answered) many questions regarding my pond, on
this wonderful site---- over the last 3 years.

I lurk here at least twice a week in order to see the latest in pond &
fish/ tips and help. Now I'm sick at heart, at what I see.
I have a question, that I thought I would never have to ask of anyone
he

After having been given a chance to end this mess, how is it that any
caring, otherwise responsible individual, could continue to let this
happen to this site, let alone to the many nice people who had become
friends?

Bette (ponder in Ohio)

"Bette E" wrote in message
...

After having been given a chance to end this mess,

* Unfortunately if you read any of the posts you would see there is no way
to end this vindictive troll's mess. The individual who is doing this is
posting several ways, changing his name (sock-puppets) almost daily and he
also posts anonymously.

how is it that any
caring, otherwise responsible individual, could continue to let this
happen to this site, let alone to the many nice people who had become
friends?

* The only individual who can stop him is his ISP who does not post here.
How can anyone else stop him? Have you complained to his ISP, to Google, to
his anonymous remailer service? Please include all headers if you do. Or -
you can use your killfile or ignore all his threads and cross-posted garbage
like everyone else is doing.

Bette (ponder in Ohio)
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

"Bette E" wrote in message
...

After having been given a chance to end this mess, how is it that any
caring, otherwise responsible individual, could continue to let this
happen to this site, let alone to the many nice people who had become
friends?

Frankly the problem is that rec.ponds is caught the crossfire in a war
between jabriol and carol aka "reel mckoi"
I suspect that most of us really couldn't careless about Carol and her war
with the jehovah witness.

Unfortunately there isn't a easy way to remove one or both parties, they
both use anonymous relays, so with out the assistance of the remailer it's
difficult if not impossible to complain to their ISP about their abuse. In
either case isps are fairly reluctant to can accounts for being a putz on
usenet.


-S

Snooze wrote:
"Bette E" wrote in message
...

After having been given a chance to end this mess, how is it that any
caring, otherwise responsible individual, could continue to let this
happen to this site, let alone to the many nice people who had become
friends?


Frankly the problem is that rec.ponds is caught the crossfire in a war
between jabriol and carol aka "reel mckoi"

At the risk of injecting facts into the discussion, my observation is
that Carol has been fairly consistent in removing rec.ponds from the
x-posts. It is largely Jabriol (and a few people from other groups,
either through malice or carelessness) who are leaving it or adding it
back in (and of course, quite a few of the posts coming from "Carol" are
fairly obvious forgeries, presumably by Jabby). IOW, the "cross-fire"
is coming mostly from one direction.

I suspect that most of us really couldn't careless about Carol and her war
with the jehovah witness.

No, we don't. But the situation is not helped when rec.ponders start
blaming the wrong party.

Probably the best thing at this point is for *everyone* (yes, that
includes me, and *particularly* includes Carol) is to firmly ignore ALL
Jab-inspired posts and threads for at least two weeks. They're not hard
to recognize; thus they're not hard to ignore.

I am starting NOW.

Unfortunately there isn't a easy way to remove one or both parties, they
both use anonymous relays, so with out the assistance of the remailer it's
difficult if not impossible to complain to their ISP about their abuse. In
either case isps are fairly reluctant to can accounts for being a putz on
usenet.

-- Kizhe

"Lt. Kizhe Catson" wrote in message
...
Snooze wrote:
"Bette E" wrote in message
...

After having been given a chance to end this mess, how is it that any
caring, otherwise responsible individual, could continue to let this
happen to this site, let alone to the many nice people who had become
friends?


Frankly the problem is that rec.ponds is caught the crossfire in a war
between jabriol and carol aka "reel mckoi"

At the risk of injecting facts into the discussion, my observation is
that Carol has been fairly consistent in removing rec.ponds from the
x-posts. It is largely Jabriol (and a few people from other groups,
either through malice or carelessness) who are leaving it or adding it
back in (and of course, quite a few of the posts coming from "Carol" are
fairly obvious forgeries, presumably by Jabby). IOW, the "cross-fire"
is coming mostly from one direction.

I suspect you haven't visited the other group(s) where the "cross-fire"
is the mirror reverse then. By her own admission, Carol has been attacking
them for nine years. Observing only the backlash here is giving you an
incomplete perspective. And her use of remailers doesn't spare rec.ponds
either. I doubt there is a third party parroting Carol's diatribes.

I suspect that most of us really couldn't careless about Carol and her
war
with the jehovah witness.

No, we don't. But the situation is not helped when rec.ponders start
blaming the wrong party.

See above. Nine years versus a few months.

Probably the best thing at this point is for *everyone* (yes, that
includes me, and *particularly* includes Carol) is to firmly ignore ALL
Jab-inspired posts and threads for at least two weeks. They're not hard
to recognize; thus they're not hard to ignore.

I am starting NOW.

Unfortunately there isn't a easy way to remove one or both parties, they
both use anonymous relays, so with out the assistance of the remailer
it's
difficult if not impossible to complain to their ISP about their abuse.
In
either case isps are fairly reluctant to can accounts for being a putz
on
usenet.

-- Kizhe

"cat daddy" wrote in message
...
I suspect you haven't visited the other group(s) where the "cross-fire"
is the mirror reverse then. By her own admission, Carol has been attacking
them for nine years.
====================
ATTACKING them? Please provide proof I claimed I've been *ATTACKING* them.
Are you another TROLL looking to keep these problems going here? You sure
seem to be, since you post nothing about fish or ponds but seem to focus
only on *me* for some reason. Learn to use a killfile like everyone else.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
"Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Everyone is a troll that dares to dissa gree with this crackpot
lunatic old lady of many names....She went to the barn, stepped in
some crap and never wiped her feet when she came back in the
house.........or in other words she stirred up the folks in the other
forums and brought them here all due to her attacks........and
accusations she makes......she is the ever so righteous individual
that has nbever done wrong, or made problems and is just to darned
stupid to realize most folks have her figured out already as the
abscess that caused a festering wound in many
newsgroups.......Wherever she treads she she also brings in all the
baggage of many fialed marriages and relationships, so it seems she is
unhappy that others with good relationships can get along, where she
just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel fo rher narrowminded
tunnel vision that only she is right and everyone else is wrong!



On Thu, 12 May 2005 17:11:21 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:

===
==="cat daddy" wrote in message
...
=== I suspect you haven't visited the other group(s) where the "cross-fire"
=== is the mirror reverse then. By her own admission, Carol has been attacking
=== them for nine years.
=======================
===ATTACKING them? Please provide proof I claimed I've been *ATTACKING* them.
===Are you another TROLL looking to keep these problems going here? You sure
===seem to be, since you post nothing about fish or ponds but seem to focus
===only on *me* for some reason. Learn to use a killfile like everyone else.


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

"Lt. Kizhe Catson" wrote in message
...
Snooze wrote:
Frankly the problem is that rec.ponds is caught the crossfire in a war
between jabriol and carol aka "reel mckoi"

At the risk of injecting facts into the discussion, my observation is that
Carol has been fairly consistent in removing rec.ponds from the x-posts.
It is largely Jabriol (and a few people from other groups, either through
malice or carelessness) who are leaving it or adding it back in (and of
course, quite a few of the posts coming from "Carol" are fairly obvious
forgeries, presumably by Jabby). IOW, the "cross-fire" is coming mostly
from one direction.


It's not like jabriol and his buddies came into this channel and picked some
random person to harass. Obviously this is spill over from another newsgroup
or forum. Carol is welcome and encouraged to remove rec.ponds from any
postings made here. Whatever happened in that other newsgroup, who did what
to whom, who started it, etc I don't care.

Unfortunately since the war came to this newsgroup it affects us now too.
Pistols at 10 paces, only way I know to solve it, other then asking Carol to
stop posting to this newsgroup, at least until the war goes somewhere else.

-S

"Snooze" wrote in message
m...
It's not like jabriol and his buddies came into this channel and picked
some
random person to harass. Obviously this is spill over from another
newsgroup
or forum.

# I am not responsible for the abusive actions of others, nor are you. :-)

Carol is welcome and encouraged to remove rec.ponds from any
postings made here.

# How can I remove postings made by others to this NG? Only they can do
that.

Whatever happened in that other newsgroup, who did what
to whom, who started it, etc I don't care.

# Nor do I. They should not have carried it HERE as I'm sure you will
agree. What does it have to so with ponds? Nothing!

Unfortunately since the war came to this newsgroup it affects us now too.
Pistols at 10 paces, only way I know to solve it, other then asking Carol
to
stop posting to this newsgroup, at least until the war goes somewhere
else.

# Why not ask the ABUSER Jabriol and several other troll-like people on this
NG to stop posting here until it goes away? Why make me responsible for the
actions of others? If Jabriol/Iksgorkon/Nomen kills someone in his
frustration and frenzy for revenge is that MY FAULT as well?
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

With a world population well over 6.5 Billion ..... you are bound to
have a few "NUT JOBS" !!!

Bette E wrote:
I have asked (and had answered) many questions regarding my pond, on
this wonderful site---- over the last 3 years.

I lurk here at least twice a week in order to see the latest in pond &
fish/ tips and help. Now I'm sick at heart, at what I see.
I have a question, that I thought I would never have to ask of anyone
he

After having been given a chance to end this mess, how is it that any
caring, otherwise responsible individual, could continue to let this
happen to this site, let alone to the many nice people who had become
friends?

Bette (ponder in Ohio)