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Your best and worst rose?
This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it.
Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer. It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it cost. thanks elfa zone 9 |
Your best and worst rose?
Best: Most definitely Belinda's Dream, with Iceberg a close second and Pink
Peace running a real good third. Worst: Almost everything else I have is a thrip & blackspot magnet, along with some signs of botrytis. I'm ready to plant some good old Ballerina and Mutabilis in their places when cooler weather rolls around. -- Dianne in Austin Zone 8, Central Texas |
Your best and worst rose?
In article , "Mark. says...
"elfa" wrote: This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Here in zone 8b I'd have to say "Old Blush." Bulletproof for me. I also have an Austin shrub, "Mary Rose," that is attacked by black spot, nibbled by grasshoppers and mad deer, and sometimes neglected, yet it keeps blooming and re-growing and blooming again. And so far some recently-acquired Bourbon roses have been thriving on neglect. Worst? I can't say. Too many have died, and not always under circumstances under which I can pin down the cause. Deer attacks, lubber-grasshopper attacks, black spot after a week of constant rain and constantly-wet leaves. One Chrysler Imperial struggled for months before giving in; another is doing pretty well. Mind you, I plant (or have in pots) mostly OGRs and Austins, with very few modern hybrid teas -- and some modern roses have stunned me with their toughness under adversity, such as "St. Patrick." Definitely "Old Blush" for this climate. Stubborn *******, bless it. Mark. From what I've read, St Patrick is one of the more hearty roses. It's on my list of roses to get. elfa |
Your best and worst rose?
Best : General Schlabikine / Mutabilis / Clytemnestra / Rosa Multiflora /
Baby Faurax Worst : Gertrude Jekkyl / Dresden Doll / Tequila Sunrise are on the goners list. "elfa" wrote in message ... This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer. It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it cost. thanks elfa zone 9 |
Your best and worst rose?
Best: Fresia (Sunsprite) for flower power, disease resistance and able to
withstand anything. Not to mention great colour yellow, outstanding fragrance and beautiful form. I like the look of the bud and partly open flower of Freisa better than the (IMHO) artifical look some of the exhibition HTs seem to have. 2nd Best: Climbing iceberg for flower power, reasonable disease resistance, light/sweet fragrance and just looking cheery all the time Worst: Hard but I have to say Eric the Red for his black spot problems. I still think it is my fault because I don't spray him enough (a couple of times a season but by then he is already defoliated). I keep him around because he has great medium red, fragrant, little cupped flowers that last for 2 weeks when he decides to flower. He is in a pot and I enjoy the flowers when they are there. Kirra Brisbane, Australia zone 10 |
Your best and worst rose?
"Kirra" wrote in message ... Worst: Hard but I have to say Eric the Red for his black spot problems. A rose? I thought "Eric the Red" was a Norse of a different colour. Regards Chu |
Your best and worst rose?
This constantly changes but right now we are going through a serious drought phase. Driest July on record w/ about 1/16th inch of rain so far. Best performing roses right now. - Prairie Princess absolute heat tolerant bloom machine. - Felicia Get more perfumed in hot sun. - Tamora 3' bloom machine. Heat tolerant. Worst - Compte de chambord spiney mass of canes not a bloom in sight. - George vancouver wilting wilting wilting despite all the watering. - Ambridge rose Only rose w/ blackspot in this dry spell! -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "elfa" wrote in message ... This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer. It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it cost. thanks elfa zone 9 |
Your best and worst rose?
Best: Marina (FL), this Dream rose, Yellow, and Tropicana--Always blooming
and no major problems Worst: City of Carlsbad--IF it would bloom, it is really pretty, JFK-mites, leggy,just not a pretty bloom -- Linda S. in So. California **Anxiously awaiting the birth of identical TWIN granddaughers in Aug. |
Your best and worst rose?
Best: Marina (FL), this Dream rose, Yellow, and Tropicana--Always blooming
and no major problems Worst: City of Carlsbad--IF it would bloom, it is really pretty, JFK-mites, leggy,just not a pretty bloom -- Linda S. in So. California **Anxiously awaiting the birth of identical TWIN granddaughers in Aug. |
Your best and worst rose?
In article , "Linda" says...
Best: Marina (FL), this Dream rose, Yellow, and Tropicana--Always blooming and no major problems I have Tropicana too....since last summer. Consistant performer. elfa Worst: City of Carlsbad--IF it would bloom, it is really pretty, JFK-mites, leggy,just not a pretty bloom -- Linda S. in So. California **Anxiously awaiting the birth of identical TWIN granddaughers in Aug. |
Your best and worst rose?
"Rosa Rosam" wrote in message: Worst : Gertrude Jekkyl / Dresden Doll / Tequila Sunrise are on the goners list. Interesting. I bought my Mom a Gertrude Jekyll about a decade ago and for the first few years it was rudely healthy and bloomed heavily. Eventually she killed it by transplanting it. That was zone 5a, in Illinois. Other people have made similar claims of GJ being bulletproof. I wonder how it would do here in 8b in Florida. I'll try for an own-root. Mark. |
Your best and worst rose?
modern hybrid teas -- and some modern roses have stunned me with
their toughness under adversity, such as "St. Patrick." Definitely "Old Blush" for this climate. Stubborn *******, bless it. I can say that St Patrick survives my Zone 5 winters with substantial damage yet completely recovers every year. Love this rose. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
Your best and worst rose?
On 29 Jul 2003 16:35:34 -0700, elfa wrote:
This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. No matter, it is a classic! Circumstances: Zone 7, NC, we are still drowing under record rainfall, and the gardens here have not been effectively sprayed with fungicide or insecticide since May 10. (In other words, sprayed once since then and it rained right after and washed it off.) Best rose: Don Juan, hands down. Never has missed a beat, covered with blooms, has bs and insect damage but makes new leaves and bloom so fast it hardly matters. In a sub-category, of the baby grafteds, Royal Amethyst has outdone itself. Whereas most of these have just died, it has thrived and stays in bloom. Worst rose: Damn, there are so many, it is hard to choose! Granada is worst at defoliating, (the two ownroots that did not get voled) but Full Sail must be the all-around suckiest rose in my garden. Good times or bad, it does not bloom except in early spring and fall. It does produce little brown horrible balling thrip-eaten things every now and then, though. |
Your best and worst rose?
Best: Fresia (Sunsprite) for flower power, disease resistance and able to withstand anything. Not to mention great colour yellow, outstanding Ah! yes the bullet proof rose. I finally found a rose to go with its garish yellow. Granada! I have them growing together and its matches nicely with rosemary rose on the side. Theo |
Your best and worst rose?
elfa wrote in
: This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Well, if the first-timer is willing to put up with a small shrub that sports a single rose, I'd say Papa Hemeray, a China from Ashdown, looks something like Marjorie Fair, red to crimson with a white eye. This has been in constant bloom for me since February. My location BTW is Southern California, USDA 10. Runner-up would be International Herald Tribune, almost as floriferous with a color more akin to red-violet. Neither rose has the classic HT form, however, nor fragrance, but they'd be beautiful in a border. Another option is Gruss an Aachen, an older (1909) floribunda, delicate shell-pink, OGR- style fragrance and form on a petite bush. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Haven't encountered one in this category yet, thankfully! ---- |
Your best and worst rose?
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Your best and worst rose?
elfa writes:
Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Usually the question is; "What is your favorite rose?" You've worded this differently and I had to think about it first. I believe Belinda's Dream is the rose I would suggest to a newcomer and it fits the part of "consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle." It's rarely without blooms and has a great fragrance. The flower shape is similar to an HT so to many people it fits the description of "a rose." Although not long lasting in a vase the flowers can be cut and brought inside. It is blackspot resistant and has a pleasing plant shape. The only negative I can think of is the balling during your regular summer showers. And not all blooms are affected, only those at a certain stage during a rainstorm. Overall, it is a great rose for this area. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. This took even longer to answer. I think there is only one answer, but for two very different reasons for each part of the question. The simple answer is none. I don't think I could say I want my money back about any rose I've ever bought. Sure there are many that have been discarded and a couple that didn't survive. But from each of them I learned something. From the hybrid teas I discovered I really don't care the growth of the plants. Nor am I willing to put up with all the blackspot even when they are regularly sprayed. From the cheap miniatures I got from the box stored I discovered, minis really don't inspire me, I much prefer larger plants and flowers. The bareroot Antique '89 that never came alive, taught me to be very careful of the potting mix I use and to make certain the drainage in pots is adequate. And on it goes. Really there aren't any I want my money back. To answer the second part of the question. There aren't any embarassments in the garden. Really. There have been many occasions that I couldn't answer that way, but at the present I can. Space is so limited that the ones I wouldn't want to share with others are gone. All of them. Finally. Now if you want a list of the roses that were embarassing, that could get rather long. Rather quickly I can come up with thise: Moonstone, Dr Huey, Angel Face, Barbara Worll, and First Edition. Interesting questions, Elfa. It's good for us to think of our roses in these terms and be reminded of the good and bad. Julie |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:52:09 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote: This constantly changes but right now we are going through a serious drought phase. Driest July on record w/ about 1/16th inch of rain so far. Best performing roses right now. - Prairie Princess absolute heat tolerant bloom machine. - Felicia Get more perfumed in hot sun. I sure am glad to see this rose mentioned. Mine has been totally decimated by the ole Japanese Beetles, but it's coming back now and I fully expect a great August and September. A caveat though - here, it gets blackspot at the mere mention of the word. - Tamora 3' bloom machine. Heat tolerant. Worst - Compte de chambord spiney mass of canes not a bloom in sight. - George vancouver wilting wilting wilting despite all the watering. - Ambridge rose Only rose w/ blackspot in this dry spell! My best? I have to note this caveat - this rose is only 2 months old (in the ground). Belami. Here's a pictu http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079 I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. There are probably 3 blooms that are ready to be trimmed because they are over-the-hill. That's almost 40 buds and/or blooms on the 3 plants at the same time. When this thing grows into the 5- 7 ft. bush that I expect that it will, I think that I'll have hundreds of blooms for my vases... To give you some perspective, these three plants were bare root plants sitting in a box on my porch on Memorial Day of this year. They get full sun all day and they are growing in my amazing native soil. Still... Here's what they looked like on 6.02.03: http://www.pbase.com/image/19804228 My worst performing rose? This unknown white thing. Boring, boring, boring. If only it were the Europeana that it was billed to be. http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804805 |
Your best and worst rose?
A caveat though - here, it gets blackspot at the mere mention of the word. Hmm! mine has stayed clean even as Abe Darby next door has suffered repeated BS attacks. Maybe its time to kick up the BS protection up a notch. Belami. Here's a pictu http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079 I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. There are probably 3 blooms that are ready to be trimmed because they are over-the-hill. That's almost 40 buds and/or blooms on the 3 plants at the same time. It does look amazingly healthy. Is it naturally resistant to disease or is much chemical warefare going one? When this thing grows into the 5- 7 ft. bush that I expect that it will, I think that I'll have hundreds of blooms for my vases... To give you some perspective, these three plants were bare root plants sitting in a box on my porch on Memorial Day of this year. They get full sun all day and they are growing in my amazing native soil. Still... Here's what they looked like on 6.02.03: http://www.pbase.com/image/19804228 My worst performing rose? This unknown white thing. Boring, boring, boring. If only it were the Europeana that it was billed to be. http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804805 Dave that looks amazingly link the rose Fabulous. It was a seedling of Iceberg that was supposed to be an improvement. It was nothing of the kind in my garden and soon found the garbage pile. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
Your best and worst rose?
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:25:33 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote: A caveat though - here, it gets blackspot at the mere mention of the word. Hmm! mine has stayed clean even as Abe Darby next door has suffered repeated BS attacks. Maybe its time to kick up the BS protection up a notch. Belami. Here's a pictu http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079 I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. There are probably 3 blooms that are ready to be trimmed because they are over-the-hill. That's almost 40 buds and/or blooms on the 3 plants at the same time. It does look amazingly healthy. Is it naturally resistant to disease or is much chemical warefare going one? So far, there has been absolutely *no* spraying of any kind. But it's a young thing. I don't think that the nasty bacteria and fungi have realized that I have a new rose bed. Of course, this bed is pretty far from any other plants... I'm just amazed how well these plants have done. I hope that they continue to do that well... When this thing grows into the 5- 7 ft. bush that I expect that it will, I think that I'll have hundreds of blooms for my vases... To give you some perspective, these three plants were bare root plants sitting in a box on my porch on Memorial Day of this year. They get full sun all day and they are growing in my amazing native soil. Still... Here's what they looked like on 6.02.03: http://www.pbase.com/image/19804228 My worst performing rose? This unknown white thing. Boring, boring, boring. If only it were the Europeana that it was billed to be. http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804805 Dave that looks amazingly link the rose Fabulous. It was a seedling of Iceberg that was supposed to be an improvement. It was nothing of the kind in my garden and soon found the garbage pile. Hmmm, I'll have to look that up... Well, I've looked that up and it could very well be that rose. What a dog! Maybe it will get better next year though. I'll transplant this sucker to a better, more "full sun" location later this fall and see it does. After all, I don't have any white roses. And i paid $3.99 for it at Krogers! |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:04:08 -0500, dave weil
wrote: My best? I have to note this caveat - this rose is only 2 months old (in the ground). Belami. You are not the first I've heard rave about this newcomer. Here's a pictu http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079 Hmmm. I thought Belami was a blend. Yours sure looks p-p-p-PINK! Also, I have an aversion to quilled petals. Strange, I know. But I just don't like the look. I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. I would call that truly amazing. None of my bare root hts has performed that well the first year. P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it. |
Your best and worst rose?
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:40:20 GMT, (Shiva) wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:04:08 -0500, dave weil wrote: My best? I have to note this caveat - this rose is only 2 months old (in the ground). Belami. You are not the first I've heard rave about this newcomer. Here's a pictu http://www3.pbase.com/image/19804079 Hmmm. I thought Belami was a blend. Yours sure looks p-p-p-PINK! Also, I have an aversion to quilled petals. Strange, I know. But I just don't like the look. Ohhh, this isn't a Shiva rose, that's fer sure. It's p-p-p--PINK. Sure, it fades to a creamy whitish-pink and all that. But it's PINK. Not salmon, not yellow-centered, not orange-tinted. PINK. It's as pink as pink can be. It's Pinky and the Brain. It's Pink, the singer. It's pinker than pink. I know that I'm pretty new to this rose thing and all, and that this might not be the kind of extraordinary performance that some of you might be used to, but frankly, I haven't had *any* HT that has come close to thowing the kind of blooms that this one has in its first season. There are 29 partially opened to fully opened blooms on the three bushes and another 7 buds yet to open. I would call that truly amazing. None of my bare root hts has performed that well the first year. I've been pretty astounded. My other Belami didn't do that well, but it wasn't in full sun all day. It was sandwiched between a rapidly growing Felicia and my house. That one is doing pretty well now that I've transplanted it next to my side porch. It's still a little leggy, but it's thrown some really nice blooms this year... Amazingly, as I write this, three more blooms have gone "over-the-hill" since i wrote my earlier post early this afternoon. However, this shouldn't be interpreted as not long-lived. The fully-opened blooms have been around about a week... P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it. I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped $3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy pic of the bloom on the wrapper. ....don't say it...why did I get them in the first place? Impulse buy, babee! |
Your best and worst rose?
In article , elfa
wrote: This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Lavender Dream How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Only one? Well the other lousy ones have at least produced *one* bloom worth looking at this year, so the biggest loser has to be Clotilde Soupert. |
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The fact Trudie is the worst in my garden doesn't mean much you know.
could be me, the place (zone 10), on what it's grafted etc.. So maybe I'll train again one day. maybe, hey. Jocelen www.rosarosam.com "Mark. Gooley" wrote in message ... "Rosa Rosam" wrote in message: Worst : Gertrude Jekkyl / Dresden Doll / Tequila Sunrise are on the goners list. Interesting. I bought my Mom a Gertrude Jekyll about a decade ago and for the first few years it was rudely healthy and bloomed heavily. Eventually she killed it by transplanting it. That was zone 5a, in Illinois. Other people have made similar claims of GJ being bulletproof. I wonder how it would do here in 8b in Florida. I'll try for an own-root. Mark. |
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Cass writes:
How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Only one? Well the other lousy ones have at least produced *one* bloom worth looking at this year, so the biggest loser has to be Clotilde Soupert. Funny how different roses perform in different locations. Clotilde is one of my best roses. I like most everything about this rose. It doesn't even blackspot. The only negative is it must be deadheaded because the faded blooms look awful. Another negative that can be a positive, it's small. I like that I can tuck it in a small space, but wish the blooms were easier to see and smell. I've always heard it will ball in wet weather, but that hasn't been much of a problem with mine and it's not due to lack of rain. |
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Unique Too wrote:
Cass writes: How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Only one? ... Clotilde Soupert. Funny how different roses perform in different locations. Clotilde is one of my best roses. I like most everything about this rose. It doesn't even blackspot. The only negative is it must be deadheaded because the faded blooms look awful. Another negative that can be a positive, it's small. I like that I can tuck it in a small space, but wish the blooms were easier to see and smell. I've always heard it will ball in wet weather, but that hasn't been much of a problem with mine and it's not due to lack of rain. Don't get me wrong. I love Clotilde, but Clotilde doesn't love me. I think I got two blooms this year. I'm going to pot her up and move her to a good home in the country, away from coast. I bet you can grow Mme. Driout too? She ties Clotilde with one bloom this year. Magenta makes it a trio of losers. |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:02:34 -0500, dave weil
wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:40:20 GMT, (Shiva) wrote: Ohhh, this isn't a Shiva rose, that's fer sure. It's p-p-p--PINK. Sure, it fades to a creamy whitish-pink and all that. But it's PINK. Not salmon, not yellow-centered, not orange-tinted. PINK. It's as pink as pink can be. It's Pinky and the Brain. It's Pink, the singer. It's pinker than pink. Oooo *flinching* Thanks. I've been pretty astounded. My other Belami didn't do that well, but it wasn't in full sun all day. Man, with all the problems roses can have under the best circumstances, I cannot imagine starting them out without full sun. If I couldn't cut trees or something to create more sunlight, I would just have to grow something else. It was sandwiched between a rapidly growing Felicia and my house. You didn't know how big Felicia was going to get, did you? P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it. I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped $3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy pic of the bloom on the wrapper. My first Europeana was the best, a bare root from Edmunds. Lots of vigor, only problem was mildew in the fall. IF you don't protect it with fungicide. For 2004 I am ordering all potted ownroots and reserving some funds for potted grafted roses. No more bare roots, they are too much trouble for when it turns out so many die, as they did this year. ...don't say it...why did I get them in the first place? Impulse buy, babee! Hey, I do it all the time. The two Circus I got at one of the 'Marts are still in pots, but going big guns! I think cheapie roses are fine as long as they are potted and BLOOMING! |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:17:48 GMT, (Shiva) wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:02:34 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:40:20 GMT, (Shiva) wrote: Ohhh, this isn't a Shiva rose, that's fer sure. It's p-p-p--PINK. Sure, it fades to a creamy whitish-pink and all that. But it's PINK. Not salmon, not yellow-centered, not orange-tinted. PINK. It's as pink as pink can be. It's Pinky and the Brain. It's Pink, the singer. It's pinker than pink. Oooo *flinching* Thanks. Didn't mean to hurt you g I've been pretty astounded. My other Belami didn't do that well, but it wasn't in full sun all day. Man, with all the problems roses can have under the best circumstances, I cannot imagine starting them out without full sun. If I couldn't cut trees or something to create more sunlight, I would just have to grow something else. I would have had to move my house g. It got full sun until about 1 pm. The Felicia gets full sun for an extra 1/2 hr or two due to its size. It was sandwiched between a rapidly growing Felicia and my house. You didn't know how big Felicia was going to get, did you? I really didn't have an idea of the shape. All I know is that they are both listed at about 6 feet, but, at the time that I bought them (as I was just getting into roses), I didn't realize that a 6 foot HT is different than a bushy 6 foot arching antique rose. If I had known, I would have put the Belami in front of the Felicia, but this still wouldn't have been great because it turns out that the Felicia is about the perfect size for that little plot of ground and there isn't a lot of room for much else (my Joseph's Coat is getting moved this fall, because it's now under a canopy of a rapidly growing tree that adjoins this bed). The Grootendorst doesn't matter very much, because it was always intended to simply be a backdrop and BOY is it ugly. The moved Belami is growing pretty nicely by the porch now, although it's a little crowded by the zinnias that popped up from previous plantings. P.S. Get another Europeana! I am getting several. Great rose, a fav of the voles. I'm like Charlie Brown always falling for that football Lucy holds for him. But for Europeana, it's worth it. I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped $3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy pic of the bloom on the wrapper. My first Europeana was the best, a bare root from Edmunds. Lots of vigor, only problem was mildew in the fall. IF you don't protect it with fungicide. For 2004 I am ordering all potted ownroots and reserving some funds for potted grafted roses. No more bare roots, they are too much trouble for when it turns out so many die, as they did this year. My original came from Edmunds as well, but it had the bad luck of gettng crown gall. Boy, was it pretty for the year that I had it though. ...don't say it...why did I get them in the first place? Impulse buy, babee! Hey, I do it all the time. The two Circus I got at one of the 'Marts are still in pots, but going big guns! I think cheapie roses are fine as long as they are potted and BLOOMING! Yeah, pics from this particular company don't look anything like the blooms! guffaw! So far, of the three plants that I have bought this way, I'm 0 for 3. And two of them are pretty wimpy looking plants (from a bloom standpoint). |
Your best and worst rose?
"Shiva" wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:02:34 -0500, dave weil wrote: I'm sure I will. I just won't get it as one of those plastic-wrapped $3.00 semi-bare-rooted, moss packed supermarket delights with a fuzzy pic of the bloom on the wrapper. ...don't say it...why did I get them in the first place? Impulse buy, babee! Hey, I do it all the time. The two Circus I got at one of the 'Marts are still in pots, but going big guns! I think cheapie roses are fine as long as they are potted and BLOOMING! The best thing about cheapie bagged roses--- if they **** you off (by not growing, by spotting, by whatever...) it's that much easier to 86 'em to make room for something else! Believe me, I'll be doing some of that next year. When space gets tough....the junk gets going! Mine will all get their lecture in late winter next year. The ones that don't shape up...well, you know..... JimS. Seattle |
Your best and worst rose?
Cass writes:
Don't get me wrong. I love Clotilde, but Clotilde doesn't love me. I think I got two blooms this year. I'm going to pot her up and move her to a good home in the country, away from coast. I bet you can grow Mme. Driout too? She ties Clotilde with one bloom this year. Magenta makes it a trio of losers. I haven't tried either one of these, but I'm looking them up today. :) I almost fell for your Lavender Dream suggestion, read all about it, found a supplier, everything. Then decided if Clotilde is awful for you and so good for me, it might not be such a good idea. But who knows maybe you did your job well anyway with Mme. Driout and Magenta, I'm off to see about these...... |
Your best and worst rose?
In article , Unique Too
wrote: Cass writes: Don't get me wrong. I love Clotilde, but Clotilde doesn't love me. I think I got two blooms this year. I'm going to pot her up and move her to a good home in the country, away from coast. I bet you can grow Mme. Driout too? She ties Clotilde with one bloom this year. Magenta makes it a trio of losers. I haven't tried either one of these, but I'm looking them up today. :) I almost fell for your Lavender Dream suggestion, read all about it, found a supplier, everything. Then decided if Clotilde is awful for you and so good for me, it might not be such a good idea. I don't know how Lavender Dream handles heat. It would be a shame if it fades or crisps or something. |
Your best and worst rose?
My best this year are probably Callisto (who is lovely every year)
Gertrude Jekyll and (easiest of all) Natalie Nypels. My worst this year is perhaps Desprez des fleurs jaunes, but it's not altogether her fault - she's been mucked about by our horrible neighbours and then attacked by caterpillars. -- Jane Lumley |
Your best and worst rose?
In article , Jane Lumley
wrote: My worst this year is perhaps Desprez des fleurs jaunes, but it's not altogether her fault - she's been mucked about by our horrible neighbours and then attacked by caterpillars. Oh, say it ain't so. I'm dying to have Jaune Desprez. I photographed a rose on a commerical buidling that we think is Jaune Desprez: http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/TamGlow.html When I went back to collect cutting this summer, they had cut it down to 18 inches. Now I ask you: how can someone cut this down? http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/WholeTamGlow.jpg It grows in a 12 inch strip of soil by the gas meter in the tidal flood zone that is under water at least 10 times a year. |
Your best and worst rose?
On 29 Jul 2003 16:35:34 -0700, elfa wrote:
This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer. It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it cost. thanks elfa zone 9 Am in zone 7B. Worst is 2 JFKs with single canes & single white roses. Best: For hardiness & blooms are Pristine & McCartney. These answers should vary from zone to zone. Piratedave |
Your best and worst rose?
In article , Cass
writes In article , Jane Lumley wrote: My worst this year is perhaps Desprez des fleurs jaunes, but it's not altogether her fault - she's been mucked about by our horrible neighbours and then attacked by caterpillars. Oh, say it ain't so. I'm dying to have Jaune Desprez. I photographed a rose on a commerical buidling that we think is Jaune Desprez: http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/TamGlow.html Well, as I said, it's not really her fault. She grows on a fence and the vile neighbours have let vast weeds grow up on their side of it. Also the caterpillar attack was bad. She also needs a warm spring. she has flowered - she's not a dead loss - but she hasn't been as floriferous as last year. Anyway her flowers are so beautiful that even a few seem worth it. When I went back to collect cutting this summer, they had cut it down to 18 inches. Now I ask you: how can someone cut this down? http://www.rosefog.us/Resources/WholeTamGlow.jpg It grows in a 12 inch strip of soil by the gas meter in the tidal flood zone that is under water at least 10 times a year. -- Jane Lumley |
Your best and worst rose?
The best one I have is Gertrude Jekyll. It flowers well, doesn't have
disease problems, and always looks good. I don't have any bad ones at the moment!!! Carol elfa wrote in message ... This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer. It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it cost. thanks elfa zone 9 |
Your best and worst rose?
My worst rose is also my best in some ways.
The White Rose Catalog describes it thusly: Summer Sunset, Hybrid Tea Luminous orange hues of this elegant rose resemble a summer sunset. Dark green foliage. The best orange rose ever. Only if your idea of best is Walmart. The colour is gaudy dayglo orange that looks as if it's painted on. Ugly bugly. Non-existant scenty. On the plus side, one stem produces a bouquet. The elongated buds are nicely shaped, the stems are almost thornless, and perfect for cutting, and it's extremely disease resistant. Always the last to get powdery mildew and such. This is the one that the bugs are the least interested in. Looks better in a vase than in the garden. Go figure. Doris CAROL HUTCHINNGS wrote: The best one I have is Gertrude Jekyll. It flowers well, doesn't have disease problems, and always looks good. I don't have any bad ones at the moment!!! Carol elfa wrote in message ... This has probably been asked before but I haven't seen it. Anyone care to post their single BEST performing (not favorite) rose. The one that consistantly produces blossoms with the least amount of hassle. The one that you would recommend in good conscience to a first timer who didn't care about color but just wanted a steady performer without having to 'baby' it. Mine is Brandy...rock solid since last summer when I planted it. No fungus or insects problems. Consistantly produces blooms. How about the one rose you have that makes you want to get your money back. The embarassment to your rose garden. Mine is Sterling Silver. Wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. Gets the same treatment as all the rest and has yet to produce any blooms this summer. It just sits there like a bump on a log. I wish I could get back the $20 it cost. thanks elfa zone 9 |
Your best and worst rose?
My best and worst is Touch of Class which I would re-name 'Touch of Mildew'.
I 'shovel pruned' it this year as it was one of the first to show signs of powdery mildew and REQUIRED that I use a preventative fungicide, otherwise most of the garden would become infected. It is a GREAT exhibitors rose, however in my opinoin just not worth the trouble. TT |
Your best and worst rose?
I think my worst rose was Stainless Steel. Never got to big or took off. Had
to yank it after 5 years. I also yanked Sentimental. It got HUGE, I like flower I can cut and keep in a vase for a while, it had flowers that would fall apart too soon. My Sunset Celebration gets fungus and black spot real bad also.. "Tim Tompkins" wrote in message ... My best and worst is Touch of Class which I would re-name 'Touch of Mildew'. I 'shovel pruned' it this year as it was one of the first to show signs of powdery mildew and REQUIRED that I use a preventative fungicide, otherwise most of the garden would become infected. It is a GREAT exhibitors rose, however in my opinoin just not worth the trouble. TT |
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