Mark. Gooley wrote:

"Shiva" wrote:
It's a wreck. Half of the bare roots died and I am wanting
to rip Hansa out really, really bad. (Larry, it is the
heat here. It just really, really hates it. Mine is
NOT going to do what yours is doing! Mine is all crispy,
though it has received a deluge! Yours is GREAT! But mine
has got to GO!)

My Hansa is near death, but the rugosae still in pots are mostly
rudely healthy.

Great term. G I might just have to borrow it some time.

[...]

In my limited experience, Rugosae do not mind the damp and zone
8b Floridian heat here. They hate wet feet, and they tolerate them
less than most other roses do.

Hmmm. I had heard (was that you, Theo?) that they did not like
heat, and thought that might be Hansa's problem in my garden. MIne is
on a steep hill so drainage is not the problem.

I think I will just hack it back and move it to a round bed of
its own. Part of the problem is that it looks so different from
the other roses I grow--and it is clearly meant to get bigger.
I do like the blooms, and I like the *idea* of the primitive
looking wrinkly leaves better than the look itself.



I got my 20 cubic yards of compost and I've already replanted
some Austins in little artificial hills, hoping to save them from
sickliness and perhaps death. It is a testimonial to my Gertrude
Jekyll (I'd buried the label and forgotten what it was!) own-root
that it's still alive after nearly three years of neglect, and occasionally
even blooming.

Man, I have to say, my little crop of ownroot Austins is rugged
as anything. Pat Austin, Abraham Darby, Tradescant, Golden
Celebration are the ones I am thinking of. These behave like
climbers here, and I have them in a side bed against a chainlink
fence. Then I have a giant Jude the Obscure sent to me several
years ago in a front bed, it grows in an urn shape, straight up;
tamora, my sweetest little wanna-be-a-mini rose, that is vigorous
as anything but never gets bigger than 2.5 feet; and Distant Drums,
which is an Austin/Buck hybrid that I am so in love with, I have
four, one grafted and grown from bare root and three Roses Unlimited
ownroot. Raspberry buds open to ruffled blooms that are mauve on
the outer petals and apricot/tan on the inner ones, and they smell
of anise and myrrh. Nice shrubby shape.


Mark., will keep everyone posted on the results of replanting sodden
bushes in little artificial hills like blisters


I have always planted my roses high by mounding. It works great for me.

Oooo. Tell me about it. Orange and purple are energizing, but, say,
Jude the Obscure and Ink Spots are just plain delicious to the eye.


Lady Hillingdon and Dark Shadows are similar in coloring Jude and Ink Spots.
Different flower forms, of course, but still stiking together.


The coral of First Edition and
lavender Angel Face looked great together, maybe my favorite color combo
ever.
So there. g

No way! You just busted clean out of my sterotype for you! g



I'm full of surprises. g
I'm working towards adding more dark colors to my garden. My problem is I keep
buying "red" roses who look plain old pink to me. Louis Phillipe and Emmie Gray
are both very nice roses sold as red, but both are really pink.
I want RED, screaming red, not pink. Ruby Mediland is my latest (surprised?)
and it really is red, cherry red. So far it looks like a good rose, but it's
still a baby. Purple Buttons isn't pink either, it's a deeper red, sure isn't
purple, but a very nice dark color. So I'm making progress.



Julie, I know you don't grow too many moderns, but have you ever
grown Apricot Nectar? It is the rose I currently long for. One of
those fab 1960s floribundas. Bulletproof like Europeana.

Funny you should mention this one. Recently I was trying to work out a trade
with someone and she offered an Apricot Nector. The photos I found look very
nice and I was willing to trade. Problem: I've already gotten rid of all my
rooted teas she was looking for.

Julie

In article , Unique Too
wrote:

Oooo. Tell me about it. Orange and purple are energizing, but, say,
Jude the Obscure and Ink Spots are just plain delicious to the eye.


Lady Hillingdon and Dark Shadows are similar in coloring Jude and Ink Spots.
Different flower forms, of course, but still stiking together.


The coral of First Edition and
lavender Angel Face looked great together, maybe my favorite color combo
ever.
So there. g

No way! You just busted clean out of my sterotype for you! g



I'm full of surprises. g
I'm working towards adding more dark colors to my garden. My problem is I
keep
buying "red" roses who look plain old pink to me. Louis Phillipe and Emmie
Gray
are both very nice roses sold as red, but both are really pink.
I want RED, screaming red, not pink. Ruby Mediland is my latest (surprised?)
and it really is red, cherry red. So far it looks like a good rose, but it's
still a baby. Purple Buttons isn't pink either, it's a deeper red, sure isn't
purple, but a very nice dark color. So I'm making progress.

Dortmund is plain old candy apple red. Best reddest of the red colors.
Of course it takes its time establishing, as it slashes and eats
everything within reach. And the rebloom has taken forever to get
going. But that red is to die for.

Fabvier/"Old Gay Hill" is also dark dark red. Little singles and
perfect foliage here.

In Unique Too wrote:
I want RED, screaming red, not pink. Ruby Mediland is my latest (
surprised?) and it really is red, cherry red. So far it looks like a
good rose, but it's still a baby. Purple Buttons isn't pink either,
it's a deeper red, sure isn't purple, but a very nice dark color. So
I'm making progress.

Getting screaming reds isn't that hard. Depending on where you live,
try:

Kardinal
La Passionata
Legend
Ingrid Bergman
Avon
The Squire
Sir Donald Bradman
Velvet Arrow (if only I could find it again!)
Black Velvet

There are really plenty more to add to this list. These ones I've grown
myself, so I can attest to their colour.

Julie said:

I'm working towards adding more dark colors to my garden. My problem is I keep
buying "red" roses who look plain old pink to me. ...
I want RED, screaming red, not pink. ...

Here are some recent introductions that are true red and don't turn
purple with sun exposure either:

'Raven' a grandiflora from Weeks that stays red for 2 weeks even in
the hot sun. very long lasting blooms

'Crimson Bouquet' another non fading thick petaled grandiflora that
lasts a long long time and is a striking true red color.

And we can't leave out 'Veteran's Honor'. Very red, doesn't purple at
all and looks and blooms great. Better 'Hybrid Tea' exhibitionist
form but not quite as long lasting as the previous two.

... have you ever
grown Apricot Nectar? ...One of
those fab 1960s floribundas. Bulletproof like Europeana.

Funny you should mention this one. Recently I was trying to work out a trade
with someone and she offered an Apricot Nector.

I wouldn't bother with 'Apricot Nectar'. It does bloom a lot, but
the blooms are blousy and they blow fast and they fade quickly to
whitish in the sun. 'Fragrant Apricot' is a much better choice. (I
grow both of them by the way).

One of the all time great modern apricots is 'Gruss an Coburg', which
despite it's name isn't nearly as old as 'Gruss an Aachen'. It is
extremely fragrant as well. A real surprise for me in its first year
here.

Have a good one,

Bob Bauer
http://www.rose-roses.com/