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GM Potato = Malnutrition (Was: GMO biz vs consumers)
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:28:36 -0700, Walter Epp posted: "Moosh:]" wrote: On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:03:33 -0700, Walter Epp posted: "Gordon Couger" wrote: In the greenest part of the country a vote on and anti GM law lost 3 to 1. We have some That result was bought with over $6 per vote of out of state money spent on a blitz of deception and scare tactics. For instance? Show too where it is wrong please. http://www.voteyeson27.com/Counterpoints1.pdf This does not mention the possibility that labeling could increase jobs, reduce costs of selling overseas, and make Oregon more competitive. As Consumers Union points out in its letter supporting labeling, "Europe, Japan, South Korea, China, Australia and New Zealand all have mandatory labeling requirements, and a labeling law in Oregon would put the state in a good position to sell products in those markets." My query referred to the last part, "a blitz of deception and scare tactics" The best genetically modified democracy money can buy. That's nearly as good as "Frankenfoods". That law was not anti-gm, it only required that the consumer be allowed to know what they're getting so there could be a free market. Garbage. So that your lying scare campaigns could take effect. Freedom is by definition the ability to make choices. Only if you know and understand the facts. Without labelling the consumer is denied knowing the facts. Rubbish, you lot have bent any facts. Any label will only say "May contain GM". What information does this convey? You lot have gone out of your way to spread lies. Show me which statement I have made that's a lie and why. That there is any harm from GM foods. Otherwise, show us just ONE example. It is rather hard for peole to pin it down when they do not know whether they are eating GM food or not. Yes ordinary foods can make some people very sick. They learn by themselves or are educated by others how to avoid them. With unlabelled GM it is not possible to know because it may not look different. I have pointed out how animals choose non-GM given the choice, and that they are healthier. I have pointed out that genes from food are found in human organs after they have eaten the food. If there's no labeling, there's no choice, if there's no choice, there's no freedom. To call this a free market is a fraud - it's a rigged market. Then tell the truth. If there are scary lies promulgated, there can be no informed choice, whatever information is given on a label. And when biotech companies are censoring troubling information there can be no informed choice. Which troubling information? Many people are in a state of concern because so much of what was public information in regard to foodstuffs has become private information. If the info were good for the market they know it would be published. So they know it must be bad. Their opposition to labelling shows that genetic engineering proponents don't believe their own propaganda. Their opposition to labelling is due to gross ignorance of the general public Lack of labelling keeps the public in the dark. No, after all the lies about scary consequences, nothing but darkness confronts the public. So publish and shed light. Education and the facts are the only way to shed light. And research. And I see how research has started to be published on movement of genes in soil. Why not before? Telling lies about all the harm that will ensue, and then screaming that any trace of GM must be labelled is a tad hypocritical. I think it oppressive to deny people the right to know whether they are eating modified food. The world is turning. North America is turning to a place run overlords in food, and in China this is recognised and there is resistance. China now has more freedom than North America. Linkname: GM Potato = Malnutrition URL: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMPEM.php GM Potato = Malnutrition A GM potato will solve Third World hunger, said pro-GM scientists in India and Britain. Dr. Vandana Shiva and Afsar Jafri expose the lies they tell to force GM foods on a defiant world that will also put school children at risk from malnutrition by displacing nutrient-rich indigenous staples. At the start of Britain's public GM debate in June, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) said that approval for commercial growing of a genetically modified potato is expected in India within six months. Indian scientists were reported to have said that the protein-rich genetically modified potato could help combat malnutrition in India. This is reminiscent of an earlier attempt by pro-GM scientists to convince critics that GM `golden rice' is needed to cure vitamin A deficiency among the poor in the Third World, a `potential benefit' that's being hyped by the pro-GM British scientific establishment to this day. At the Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Ecology (RFSTE), we have shown that fruits and green vegetables that could be grown in every backyard provide hundreds of times more Vitamin A than `golden rice'. Now the people of India and the rest of the world are sold a `protein-rich potato' hoax by our scientists as part of an anti-hunger plan, formulated jointly with government institutes, the biotech industry and charities. The potato, it is claimed, contains a third more protein than normal, including essential high-quality nutrients, and has been created by adding a gene from the protein-rich amaranth plant. According to the BBC, Dr. Manju Sharma, Head of the Department of Biotechnology (DBT), said that the GM potato will "reduce the problem of malnutrition in the country", and she plans to incorporate it into the government's free midday meal programme in schools. But, inserting protein genes from amaranth into potatoes and promoting potato as a staple for school-children's mid-day meals is also a decision not to promote amaranth and pulses, the most important source of protein in the Indian diet. Amaranth contains 14.7 gm protein per 100 gm of dried grain, compared to 6.8 gm/100gm milled rice, 11 gm/100gm wheat flour and a mere 1.6 gm/100 gm potato. Compared to the nutritional value of grains like amaranth, GM potatoes will actually create malnutrition because it will represent a huge protein deficit, and deny to vulnerable children many other essential nutrients present in much higher amounts in amaranth (see Table 1) or that are not available in potato. Table 1. Nutritional content of Amaranth compared with GM potato __________________________________________________ _________ Content (per 100gm) Nutrient Amaranth Potato Deficit Protein 14.7gm 2.1gm* - 12.6gm Iron+ 11.0mg 0.7mg - 10.3mg Calcium+ 510.0mg 10.0mg -500.0mg __________________________________________________ _________ *Assuming an increase of 33% protein content in GM potato, as reported. +Assuming these remain unchanged. As can be seen, the GM potato will actually cause severe iron and calcium deficiencies in children as well as severe protein deficiency. The ancient people of the Andes regarded amaranth sacred. In India, it is called "Ramdana" or God's own grain. The root word "amara", in both Greek and Sanskrit means eternal or deathless. A much smarter option is to promote the widespread cultivation and use of amazing grains like amaranth. [Editor's note: In Britain, amaranth has already entered the specialty market as a high protein and nutritious breakfast cereal, thus fully exposing the short-sightedness if not downright hypocrisy and wickedness of those who are intent on promoting monoculture grains at the expense of far superior indigenous varieties.] In any case, amaranth is not the only source of protein in India's rich biodiversity and cuisine. Our dals, (also pulses and legumes), a staple mixed with rice as dal-chawal and with wheat as dal-roti are also very rich in protein (see Table 2). The consumption of dals also provides much higher levels of proteins than GM potatoes. Poor Indian children will get a full balanced diet in dals, pulses and amaranth, instead of getting malnutrition on "protein rich" GM potatoes. Table 2. Protein content of some Indian pulses __________________________________________________ _________ Pulses Protein per 100 gm Bengal gram (whole) 17.1 gm Horse gram 22.0 gm Bengal gram roasted 22.5 gm Lentil 25.1 gm Black gram 24.0 gm Moth bean 23.6 gm Cow pea 24.1 gm Peas dry 19.7 gm Field Bean 24.9 gm Rajma 22.9 gm Green gram dal 24.5 gm Redgram 22.3 gm RELEVANT LINKS from the ISIS website (see all articles on the SITE MAP) Allergenic GM Papaya Scandal The Need for Another Research Paradigm GM-free Food Aid! Open Letter from World Scientists to All Governments Risks of Viral Resistant Transgenic Crops Biotech Fever Burning, Burning Out? Dr Arpad Pusztai Talks on Food for the 21st Century Genomics for health Horizontal gene transfer - new evidence [see http for contacts] Science in Society gets inside science, puts science under the political spotlight to demand it is accountable to society MATERIAL ON THIS SITE MAY BE REPRODUCED IN ANY FORM WITHOUT PERMISSION, ON CONDITION THAT IT IS ACCREDITED ACCORDINGLY AND CONTAINS A LINK TO http://www.i-sis.org.uk/ |
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GM Potato = Malnutrition (Was: GMO biz vs consumers)
On 14 Aug 2003 10:17:59 GMT, Brian Sandle
posted: Moosh:} wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:28:36 -0700, Walter Epp posted: "Moosh:]" wrote: On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:03:33 -0700, Walter Epp posted: "Gordon Couger" wrote: In the greenest part of the country a vote on and anti GM law lost 3 to 1. We have some That result was bought with over $6 per vote of out of state money spent on a blitz of deception and scare tactics. For instance? Show too where it is wrong please. http://www.voteyeson27.com/Counterpoints1.pdf This does not mention the possibility that labeling could increase jobs, reduce costs of selling overseas, and make Oregon more competitive. As Consumers Union points out in its letter supporting labeling, "Europe, Japan, South Korea, China, Australia and New Zealand all have mandatory labeling requirements, and a labeling law in Oregon would put the state in a good position to sell products in those markets." My query referred to the last part, "a blitz of deception and scare tactics" The best genetically modified democracy money can buy. That's nearly as good as "Frankenfoods". That law was not anti-gm, it only required that the consumer be allowed to know what they're getting so there could be a free market. Garbage. So that your lying scare campaigns could take effect. Freedom is by definition the ability to make choices. Only if you know and understand the facts. Without labelling the consumer is denied knowing the facts. Rubbish, you lot have bent any facts. Any label will only say "May contain GM". What information does this convey? You lot have gone out of your way to spread lies. Show me which statement I have made that's a lie and why. That there is any harm from GM foods. Otherwise, show us just ONE example. It is rather hard for peole to pin it down when they do not know whether they are eating GM food or not. Pin what down? They surely complain to their medical advisor if they have a problem. Yes ordinary foods can make some people very sick. They learn by themselves or are educated by others how to avoid them. With unlabelled GM it is not possible to know because it may not look different. So if is causes the same problems at the same rate as other foods, where's the problem? I have pointed out how animals choose non-GM given the choice, and that they are healthier. They do no such thing, and they are not healthier. I have pointed out that genes from food are found in human organs after they have eaten the food. So? This has been going on since the beginning of evolution. If there's no labeling, there's no choice, if there's no choice, there's no freedom. To call this a free market is a fraud - it's a rigged market. Then tell the truth. If there are scary lies promulgated, there can be no informed choice, whatever information is given on a label. And when biotech companies are censoring troubling information there can be no informed choice. Which troubling information? Many people are in a state of concern because so much of what was public information in regard to foodstuffs has become private information. For example? I still don't know what this troubling information is. If the info were good for the market they know it would be published. So they know it must be bad. What must be? I don't think we've established that there is anything to know. Their opposition to labelling shows that genetic engineering proponents don't believe their own propaganda. Their opposition to labelling is due to gross ignorance of the general public Lack of labelling keeps the public in the dark. No, after all the lies about scary consequences, nothing but darkness confronts the public. So publish and shed light. Publish what? Frankenfoods? Mice that glow in the dark? Education and the facts are the only way to shed light. And research. And I see how research has started to be published on movement of genes in soil. Why not before? Genes have been moving everywhere since the dawn of time. What do you think viruses are? Telling lies about all the harm that will ensue, and then screaming that any trace of GM must be labelled is a tad hypocritical. I think it oppressive to deny people the right to know whether they are eating modified food. Why? The foods may contain traces of considerable varieties of foods that come from GM organisms. How is an ignorant public going to know any better when all the scare mongering lies have been spread about? The world is turning. North America is turning to a place run overlords in food, and in China this is recognised and there is resistance. China now has more freedom than North America. Freedom to do what? Linkname: GM Potato = Malnutrition URL: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMPEM.php GM Potato = Malnutrition A GM potato will solve Third World hunger, said pro-GM scientists in India and Britain. Dr. Vandana Shiva and Afsar Jafri expose the lies they tell to force GM foods on a defiant world that will also put school children at risk from malnutrition by displacing nutrient-rich indigenous staples. At the start of Britain's public GM debate in June, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) said that approval for commercial growing of a genetically modified potato is expected in India within six months. Indian scientists were reported to have said that the protein-rich genetically modified potato could help combat malnutrition in India. This is reminiscent of an earlier attempt by pro-GM scientists to convince critics that GM `golden rice' is needed to cure vitamin A deficiency among the poor in the Third World, a `potential benefit' that's being hyped by the pro-GM British scientific establishment to this day. At the Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Ecology (RFSTE), we have shown that fruits and green vegetables that could be grown in every backyard provide hundreds of times more Vitamin A than `golden rice'. Now the people of India and the rest of the world are sold a `protein-rich potato' hoax by our scientists as part of an anti-hunger plan, formulated jointly with government institutes, the biotech industry and charities. The potato, it is claimed, contains a third more protein than normal, including essential high-quality nutrients, and has been created by adding a gene from the protein-rich amaranth plant. According to the BBC, Dr. Manju Sharma, Head of the Department of Biotechnology (DBT), said that the GM potato will "reduce the problem of malnutrition in the country", and she plans to incorporate it into the government's free midday meal programme in schools. But, inserting protein genes from amaranth into potatoes and promoting potato as a staple for school-children's mid-day meals is also a decision not to promote amaranth and pulses, the most important source of protein in the Indian diet. Amaranth contains 14.7 gm protein per 100 gm of dried grain, compared to 6.8 gm/100gm milled rice, 11 gm/100gm wheat flour and a mere 1.6 gm/100 gm potato. Compared to the nutritional value of grains like amaranth, GM potatoes will actually create malnutrition because it will represent a huge protein deficit, and deny to vulnerable children many other essential nutrients present in much higher amounts in amaranth (see Table 1) or that are not available in potato. Table 1. Nutritional content of Amaranth compared with GM potato __________________________________________________ _________ Content (per 100gm) Nutrient Amaranth Potato Deficit Protein 14.7gm 2.1gm* - 12.6gm Iron+ 11.0mg 0.7mg - 10.3mg Calcium+ 510.0mg 10.0mg -500.0mg __________________________________________________ _________ *Assuming an increase of 33% protein content in GM potato, as reported. +Assuming these remain unchanged. As can be seen, the GM potato will actually cause severe iron and calcium deficiencies in children as well as severe protein deficiency. The ancient people of the Andes regarded amaranth sacred. In India, it is called "Ramdana" or God's own grain. The root word "amara", in both Greek and Sanskrit means eternal or deathless. A much smarter option is to promote the widespread cultivation and use of amazing grains like amaranth. [Editor's note: In Britain, amaranth has already entered the specialty market as a high protein and nutritious breakfast cereal, thus fully exposing the short-sightedness if not downright hypocrisy and wickedness of those who are intent on promoting monoculture grains at the expense of far superior indigenous varieties.] In any case, amaranth is not the only source of protein in India's rich biodiversity and cuisine. Our dals, (also pulses and legumes), a staple mixed with rice as dal-chawal and with wheat as dal-roti are also very rich in protein (see Table 2). The consumption of dals also provides much higher levels of proteins than GM potatoes. Poor Indian children will get a full balanced diet in dals, pulses and amaranth, instead of getting malnutrition on "protein rich" GM potatoes. Table 2. Protein content of some Indian pulses __________________________________________________ _________ Pulses Protein per 100 gm Bengal gram (whole) 17.1 gm Horse gram 22.0 gm Bengal gram roasted 22.5 gm Lentil 25.1 gm Black gram 24.0 gm Moth bean 23.6 gm Cow pea 24.1 gm Peas dry 19.7 gm Field Bean 24.9 gm Rajma 22.9 gm Green gram dal 24.5 gm Redgram 22.3 gm RELEVANT LINKS from the ISIS website (see all articles on the SITE MAP) Allergenic GM Papaya Scandal The Need for Another Research Paradigm GM-free Food Aid! Open Letter from World Scientists to All Governments Risks of Viral Resistant Transgenic Crops Biotech Fever Burning, Burning Out? Dr Arpad Pusztai Talks on Food for the 21st Century Genomics for health Horizontal gene transfer - new evidence [see http for contacts] Science in Society gets inside science, puts science under the political spotlight to demand it is accountable to society MATERIAL ON THIS SITE MAY BE REPRODUCED IN ANY FORM WITHOUT PERMISSION, ON CONDITION THAT IT IS ACCREDITED ACCORDINGLY AND CONTAINS A LINK TO http://www.i-sis.org.uk/ These cockeyed ravings trying to denigrate new foods. Look, they are not suggesting less nutrition for the people, they are improving existing crops to make their nutrition better overall. The golden rice was screamed about by the greenies as not supplying the RDA of carotene, yet what was the white rice supplying? Just because the new variety is not perfect. It is a hell of a lot better than the old variety. God, some people are hard to please. |
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