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animaux 31-12-2003 03:05 AM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.

I'm going to start seeds this weekend and pot some things up for sale to the
nurseries and get seeds ready to trade.

If anyone is reading this, do you think it is a good time to move the following:

Mexican buckeye
Evergreen Sumac
Apple tree (yearling)
Yucca (several different forms, completely pupped and ready to give birth)

If not now, when would you move these? Would you wait it out till next fall?

V-Happy New Year folks.

Victor Martinez 31-12-2003 03:35 AM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
animaux wrote:
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


On vacation perhaps? A cold place with snow I hope... :)

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were red


Ha! We have a water lilly with a brand new bloom in the pond, if you can
believe that.

admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.


We've had our share of frosts, most things that freeze already have.

Mexican buckeye
Evergreen Sumac
Apple tree (yearling)
Yucca (several different forms, completely pupped and ready to give birth)


Yes to all.

Have fun!

--
Victor Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam he
Email me he



cat daddy 31-12-2003 02:59 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were

red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.


snip



cat daddy 31-12-2003 02:59 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were

red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.


snip



J Kolenovsky 31-12-2003 02:59 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)

J


cat daddy wrote:
=


"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyo=

ne?
=


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everes=

t of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while=

, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bana=

nas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I ha=

ve
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly =

a
foot low for the year.
=


I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom,=

some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There w=

ere
red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this =

hill,
anyway.

=


snip


-- =

Celestial Habitats by J. Kolenovsky
2003 Honorable Mention Award, Keep Houston Beautiful
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.celestialhabitats.com - business
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.hal-pc.org/~garden/personal.html - personal

J Kolenovsky 31-12-2003 02:59 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)

J


cat daddy wrote:
=


"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyo=

ne?
=


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everes=

t of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while=

, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bana=

nas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I ha=

ve
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly =

a
foot low for the year.
=


I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom,=

some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There w=

ere
red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this =

hill,
anyway.

=


snip


-- =

Celestial Habitats by J. Kolenovsky
2003 Honorable Mention Award, Keep Houston Beautiful
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.celestialhabitats.com - business
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.hal-pc.org/~garden/personal.html - personal

cat daddy 31-12-2003 03:11 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were

red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.


snip



Texensis 31-12-2003 03:12 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"animaux" wrote in message
...
| I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is
everyone?
|

Watching sulphurs, admirals, and gulf fritillaries. Also enjoying
blooming paperwhite narcissi. The ones that do best are ones forced in
pots long ago and then just dumped any old place, where they've
divided over the years. There's been no hard freeze even yet, although
lantanas in some corners have been burned. Pink oxalis is blooming and
geraniums (pelargoniums) in pots are going to town. Thunbergia is in
full bloom also. Lettuce is ready for the table. Bulbs are up,
including Dutch iris and many narcissi/jonquils/daffodils (but not
hyacinths yet). Anemones are showing leaves. Fall-seeded annuals are
progressing. Old-fashioned trailing/climbing nasturtiums are in heavy
bloom. Basil in pots has been toted in and out of the house a few
times. Seed catalogues are arriving. Loquat flowers are full of
honeybees most days. No signs yet of species tulips.



animaux 31-12-2003 03:13 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:34:01 GMT, Victor Martinez opined:

On vacation perhaps? A cold place with snow I hope... :)


We did that a few years ago. We drove to the Grand Canyon and spent Christmas
there. It was magnificent with the snow, but 5 degrees during the day! Not
much star gazing at night, unfortunately.

Ha! We have a water lilly with a brand new bloom in the pond, if you can
believe that.


Holy cow! My 'Baby Doll' lotus is starting to grow. The fish have not stopped
eating, and, well, I hope for the sake of the plants we don't get hit too badly.

Mexican buckeye
Evergreen Sumac
Apple tree (yearling)
Yucca (several different forms, completely pupped and ready to give birth)


Yes to all.

Have fun!


Great! I have to move things because, as usual, I over planted. Easy to do
when you buy gallon plants which grow to ten feet or more! My evergreen sumac
went from a 2 foot whip to an 8 foot tree(!) in one year!

Next week I'm going to move them. Thanks.

v

J Kolenovsky 31-12-2003 03:13 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)

J


cat daddy wrote:
=


"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyo=

ne?
=


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everes=

t of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while=

, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bana=

nas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I ha=

ve
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly =

a
foot low for the year.
=


I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom,=

some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There w=

ere
red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this =

hill,
anyway.

=


snip


-- =

Celestial Habitats by J. Kolenovsky
2003 Honorable Mention Award, Keep Houston Beautiful
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.celestialhabitats.com - business
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.hal-pc.org/~garden/personal.html - personal

Texensis 31-12-2003 03:14 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"animaux" wrote in message
...
| I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is
everyone?
|

Watching sulphurs, admirals, and gulf fritillaries. Also enjoying
blooming paperwhite narcissi. The ones that do best are ones forced in
pots long ago and then just dumped any old place, where they've
divided over the years. There's been no hard freeze even yet, although
lantanas in some corners have been burned. Pink oxalis is blooming and
geraniums (pelargoniums) in pots are going to town. Thunbergia is in
full bloom also. Lettuce is ready for the table. Bulbs are up,
including Dutch iris and many narcissi/jonquils/daffodils (but not
hyacinths yet). Anemones are showing leaves. Fall-seeded annuals are
progressing. Old-fashioned trailing/climbing nasturtiums are in heavy
bloom. Basil in pots has been toted in and out of the house a few
times. Seed catalogues are arriving. Loquat flowers are full of
honeybees most days. No signs yet of species tulips.



animaux 31-12-2003 03:14 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:24:49 -0600, "cat daddy" opined:


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.


We were down in town at Half Price Books on Guadalupe (can't pass their 20%
sale) and I saw all those bags everywhere. Unfortunately, we were in my
husbands Accord. Drat. I'm going to go out next week hunting for leaves. Then
I will go to Zilker to get my tons and tone of pine tree shreds. I didn't see
them mention a day when the public can start taking the free mulch, have you?

V

grubber 31-12-2003 03:17 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I'm converting a 60x60 area of sparse grass into a pond/garden. I've
transplanted three desert willows and a pomegranate from too shady locations
into the full sun with soaker hose buried under 6" of a 8/3/1 blend of
hardwood mulch/composted cow poop/decomposed granite. I also have mutabalis
and marilyn monroe roses, various salvias, lantanas, greg's blue mist,
yellow bells, plumbago, mexican flame vine and passion flower on trellises
and probably a few other things I can't remember.

All this is around the 15x30 hand dug hole that will become a pond in the
next month. It will also have a 6x6 raised veggie filter/waterfall in the
middle of the plantings so I can easily drain the sludge onto the flowers.
The excavated dirt has been used to raise the level of the surrounding yard,
which is good because 24" down there is one solid slab of bedrock over the
entire area of the pond, and presumably farther. The raised soil has been
planted with white clover and wildflower mix. Because of the bedrock, the
pond isn't as deep as I would like, but I have a small pond at that depth
that hasn't lost any fish due to cold, so I'll live with it and hopefully
the koi will too.

Other than that, I haven't been doing much gardening.


Happy New Year to all!



animaux 31-12-2003 03:17 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:34:01 GMT, Victor Martinez opined:

On vacation perhaps? A cold place with snow I hope... :)


We did that a few years ago. We drove to the Grand Canyon and spent Christmas
there. It was magnificent with the snow, but 5 degrees during the day! Not
much star gazing at night, unfortunately.

Ha! We have a water lilly with a brand new bloom in the pond, if you can
believe that.


Holy cow! My 'Baby Doll' lotus is starting to grow. The fish have not stopped
eating, and, well, I hope for the sake of the plants we don't get hit too badly.

Mexican buckeye
Evergreen Sumac
Apple tree (yearling)
Yucca (several different forms, completely pupped and ready to give birth)


Yes to all.

Have fun!


Great! I have to move things because, as usual, I over planted. Easy to do
when you buy gallon plants which grow to ten feet or more! My evergreen sumac
went from a 2 foot whip to an 8 foot tree(!) in one year!

Next week I'm going to move them. Thanks.

v

Whit 31-12-2003 03:17 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

Victor Martinez wrote:

animaux wrote:
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


On vacation perhaps? A cold place with snow I hope... :)


Two weeks off, staying home this year. I've been busy doing other junk,
organized the garage, getting ready for yard sale, built shelves, found
the floor! :o)

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were red


Ha! We have a water lilly with a brand new bloom in the pond, if you can
believe that.


I haven't done much to my garden except look at it and think about
what's next. Is this a good time to relocate natives like big muhly,
lantana etc? This'll be my 'xeriscaped' gardens 2nd full spring coming
up and as things are filling out I see that I could have placed things
better.

admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.


We've had our share of frosts, most things that freeze already have.


We had a touch of rime the other morning, a few of the tender plants
lost some leaves in the freeze a few weeks ago, but mostly doing well. I
have a cherry tomato plant that is *still* bearing fruit! It's a "Tiny
Tom" I got from the farmers market on S. Congress, I planted it last
March and prettymuch ignored it- I've picked well over 200 little
tomatoes off this little plant since! Is it possible to dry a tomato to
get the seed? I'd love another of these and it would be fun to try to
grow it from seed.

Thanks for asking :o)

animaux 31-12-2003 03:19 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:24:49 -0600, "cat daddy" opined:


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while, but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.


We were down in town at Half Price Books on Guadalupe (can't pass their 20%
sale) and I saw all those bags everywhere. Unfortunately, we were in my
husbands Accord. Drat. I'm going to go out next week hunting for leaves. Then
I will go to Zilker to get my tons and tone of pine tree shreds. I didn't see
them mention a day when the public can start taking the free mulch, have you?

V

Victor Martinez 31-12-2003 03:19 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
animaux wrote:
Holy cow! My 'Baby Doll' lotus is starting to grow. The fish have not stopped
eating, and, well, I hope for the sake of the plants we don't get hit too badly.


After the water temperature drops below something (45F, I think?) you're
not supposed to feed fish anymore. Their metabolism slows too much to
digest food. We've never fed our fish during winter and they do just fine.

--
Victor Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam he
Email me he



grubber 31-12-2003 03:25 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I'm converting a 60x60 area of sparse grass into a pond/garden. I've
transplanted three desert willows and a pomegranate from too shady locations
into the full sun with soaker hose buried under 6" of a 8/3/1 blend of
hardwood mulch/composted cow poop/decomposed granite. I also have mutabalis
and marilyn monroe roses, various salvias, lantanas, greg's blue mist,
yellow bells, plumbago, mexican flame vine and passion flower on trellises
and probably a few other things I can't remember.

All this is around the 15x30 hand dug hole that will become a pond in the
next month. It will also have a 6x6 raised veggie filter/waterfall in the
middle of the plantings so I can easily drain the sludge onto the flowers.
The excavated dirt has been used to raise the level of the surrounding yard,
which is good because 24" down there is one solid slab of bedrock over the
entire area of the pond, and presumably farther. The raised soil has been
planted with white clover and wildflower mix. Because of the bedrock, the
pond isn't as deep as I would like, but I have a small pond at that depth
that hasn't lost any fish due to cold, so I'll live with it and hopefully
the koi will too.

Other than that, I haven't been doing much gardening.


Happy New Year to all!



Victor Martinez 31-12-2003 03:25 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
Whit wrote:
tomatoes off this little plant since! Is it possible to dry a tomato to
get the seed? I'd love another of these and it would be fun to try to
grow it from seed.


You don't need to dry them at all. We've had lots of tomato volunteers
from damaged tomatos we just toss to compost.

--
Victor Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam he
Email me he



Whit 31-12-2003 03:26 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

Victor Martinez wrote:

animaux wrote:
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


On vacation perhaps? A cold place with snow I hope... :)


Two weeks off, staying home this year. I've been busy doing other junk,
organized the garage, getting ready for yard sale, built shelves, found
the floor! :o)

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were red


Ha! We have a water lilly with a brand new bloom in the pond, if you can
believe that.


I haven't done much to my garden except look at it and think about
what's next. Is this a good time to relocate natives like big muhly,
lantana etc? This'll be my 'xeriscaped' gardens 2nd full spring coming
up and as things are filling out I see that I could have placed things
better.

admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.


We've had our share of frosts, most things that freeze already have.


We had a touch of rime the other morning, a few of the tender plants
lost some leaves in the freeze a few weeks ago, but mostly doing well. I
have a cherry tomato plant that is *still* bearing fruit! It's a "Tiny
Tom" I got from the farmers market on S. Congress, I planted it last
March and prettymuch ignored it- I've picked well over 200 little
tomatoes off this little plant since! Is it possible to dry a tomato to
get the seed? I'd love another of these and it would be fun to try to
grow it from seed.

Thanks for asking :o)

Victor Martinez 31-12-2003 03:30 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
animaux wrote:
Holy cow! My 'Baby Doll' lotus is starting to grow. The fish have not stopped
eating, and, well, I hope for the sake of the plants we don't get hit too badly.


After the water temperature drops below something (45F, I think?) you're
not supposed to feed fish anymore. Their metabolism slows too much to
digest food. We've never fed our fish during winter and they do just fine.

--
Victor Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam he
Email me he



Victor Martinez 31-12-2003 03:37 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
Whit wrote:
tomatoes off this little plant since! Is it possible to dry a tomato to
get the seed? I'd love another of these and it would be fun to try to
grow it from seed.


You don't need to dry them at all. We've had lots of tomato volunteers
from damaged tomatos we just toss to compost.

--
Victor Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam he
Email me he



Texensis 31-12-2003 03:53 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
| Whit wrote:
| tomatoes off this little plant since! Is it possible to dry a
tomato to
| get the seed? I'd love another of these and it would be fun to try
to
| grow it from seed.
|
| You don't need to dry them at all. We've had lots of tomato
volunteers
| from damaged tomatos we just toss to compost.
|
| --
| Victor Martinez
| Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
| Send your spam he
| Email me he

|

We always do, too, plus melons and squashes, but in the shady location
of our compost bin, the only crop that regularly succeeds to maturity
is potatoes. The first shoots are up now. The red boiling potatoes are
the ones that do best.



Texensis 31-12-2003 04:01 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
| Whit wrote:
| tomatoes off this little plant since! Is it possible to dry a
tomato to
| get the seed? I'd love another of these and it would be fun to try
to
| grow it from seed.
|
| You don't need to dry them at all. We've had lots of tomato
volunteers
| from damaged tomatos we just toss to compost.
|
| --
| Victor Martinez
| Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
| Send your spam he
| Email me he

|

We always do, too, plus melons and squashes, but in the shady location
of our compost bin, the only crop that regularly succeeds to maturity
is potatoes. The first shoots are up now. The red boiling potatoes are
the ones that do best.



cat daddy 31-12-2003 05:32 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
Wow, how'd you get them to do that? No, no, don't tell me, please
no........ I actually drove past three bags of leaves this morning. I *will*
wash and wax my car and not carry leaves on the trunk 'til Spring..........
How are you using woodchips on the prairie?

"J Kolenovsky" wrote in message
...
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)

J


cat daddy wrote:

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest

of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while,

but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom,

some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were

red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this

hill,
anyway.




cat daddy 31-12-2003 05:42 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"animaux" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:24:49 -0600, "cat daddy"

opined:


I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest

of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while,

but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the

bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.


We were down in town at Half Price Books on Guadalupe (can't pass their

20%
sale) and I saw all those bags everywhere. Unfortunately, we were in my
husbands Accord. Drat. I'm going to go out next week hunting for leaves.

Then
I will go to Zilker to get my tons and tone of pine tree shreds. I didn't

see
them mention a day when the public can start taking the free mulch, have

you?

No, and I'm going to close my eyes now , so I won't find out......... I
think I have enough. It is tempting to see all the bags in the other
neighborhoods, though....



cat daddy 31-12-2003 06:17 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"grubber" wrote in message
gy.com...
"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I'm converting a 60x60 area of sparse grass into a pond/garden. I've
transplanted three desert willows and a pomegranate from too shady

locations
into the full sun with soaker hose buried under 6" of a 8/3/1 blend of
hardwood mulch/composted cow poop/decomposed granite. I also have

mutabalis
and marilyn monroe roses, various salvias, lantanas, greg's blue mist,
yellow bells, plumbago, mexican flame vine and passion flower on trellises
and probably a few other things I can't remember.

All this is around the 15x30 hand dug hole that will become a pond in the
next month. It will also have a 6x6 raised veggie filter/waterfall in the
middle of the plantings so I can easily drain the sludge onto the flowers.
The excavated dirt has been used to raise the level of the surrounding

yard,
which is good because 24" down there is one solid slab of bedrock over the
entire area of the pond, and presumably farther. The raised soil has been
planted with white clover and wildflower mix. Because of the bedrock, the
pond isn't as deep as I would like, but I have a small pond at that depth
that hasn't lost any fish due to cold, so I'll live with it and hopefully
the koi will too.

Other than that, I haven't been doing much gardening.


Yeah, hardly a thing to do in the garden in Winter........ I have a pond
in my future, as well, and have slowly used dirt from the hole as fill
elsewhere. I really need rain to soften the sandy loam, though. The trailer
rental place that has baby backhoes relocated a couple of blocks away, so I
don't think I'll be hand digging any more...



cat daddy 31-12-2003 06:25 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 

"grubber" wrote in message
gy.com...
"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?


I'm converting a 60x60 area of sparse grass into a pond/garden. I've
transplanted three desert willows and a pomegranate from too shady

locations
into the full sun with soaker hose buried under 6" of a 8/3/1 blend of
hardwood mulch/composted cow poop/decomposed granite. I also have

mutabalis
and marilyn monroe roses, various salvias, lantanas, greg's blue mist,
yellow bells, plumbago, mexican flame vine and passion flower on trellises
and probably a few other things I can't remember.

All this is around the 15x30 hand dug hole that will become a pond in the
next month. It will also have a 6x6 raised veggie filter/waterfall in the
middle of the plantings so I can easily drain the sludge onto the flowers.
The excavated dirt has been used to raise the level of the surrounding

yard,
which is good because 24" down there is one solid slab of bedrock over the
entire area of the pond, and presumably farther. The raised soil has been
planted with white clover and wildflower mix. Because of the bedrock, the
pond isn't as deep as I would like, but I have a small pond at that depth
that hasn't lost any fish due to cold, so I'll live with it and hopefully
the koi will too.

Other than that, I haven't been doing much gardening.


Yeah, hardly a thing to do in the garden in Winter........ I have a pond
in my future, as well, and have slowly used dirt from the hole as fill
elsewhere. I really need rain to soften the sandy loam, though. The trailer
rental place that has baby backhoes relocated a couple of blocks away, so I
don't think I'll be hand digging any more...



animaux 31-12-2003 07:57 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:05:10 GMT, Victor Martinez opined:

animaux wrote:
Holy cow! My 'Baby Doll' lotus is starting to grow. The fish have not stopped
eating, and, well, I hope for the sake of the plants we don't get hit too badly.


After the water temperature drops below something (45F, I think?) you're
not supposed to feed fish anymore. Their metabolism slows too much to
digest food. We've never fed our fish during winter and they do just fine.


Yeah, but the water has been 60 during the day and we have a heater in there to
take that sharp cold off. It never gets below 50. When Mark does give them
pellets, he makes sure they are very active, physically, and before he gives
them the pellets, soaks them to make them expand before the fish eat.

animaux 31-12-2003 08:02 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:05:10 GMT, Victor Martinez opined:

animaux wrote:
Holy cow! My 'Baby Doll' lotus is starting to grow. The fish have not stopped
eating, and, well, I hope for the sake of the plants we don't get hit too badly.


After the water temperature drops below something (45F, I think?) you're
not supposed to feed fish anymore. Their metabolism slows too much to
digest food. We've never fed our fish during winter and they do just fine.


Yeah, but the water has been 60 during the day and we have a heater in there to
take that sharp cold off. It never gets below 50. When Mark does give them
pellets, he makes sure they are very active, physically, and before he gives
them the pellets, soaks them to make them expand before the fish eat.

animaux 31-12-2003 08:17 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:05:10 GMT, Victor Martinez opined:

animaux wrote:
Holy cow! My 'Baby Doll' lotus is starting to grow. The fish have not stopped
eating, and, well, I hope for the sake of the plants we don't get hit too badly.


After the water temperature drops below something (45F, I think?) you're
not supposed to feed fish anymore. Their metabolism slows too much to
digest food. We've never fed our fish during winter and they do just fine.


Yeah, but the water has been 60 during the day and we have a heater in there to
take that sharp cold off. It never gets below 50. When Mark does give them
pellets, he makes sure they are very active, physically, and before he gives
them the pellets, soaks them to make them expand before the fish eat.

Joe Doe 31-12-2003 11:42 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
In article , Whit wrote:
I
have a cherry tomato plant that is *still* bearing fruit! It's a "Tiny
Tom" I got from the farmers market on S. Congress, I planted it last
March and prettymuch ignored it- I've picked well over 200 little
tomatoes off this little plant since! Is it possible to dry a tomato to
get the seed? I'd love another of these and it would be fun to try to
grow it from seed.



For it to come true from saved seeds depends on if it is a F1 hybrid
tomato plant or open pollinated.

In a hybrid two parents that differ at any number of genes were crossed to
produce hybrid seeds (plants). This is called the F1 generation (what you
can buy). The different parental genes in the seeds produced from these
plants will segregate in the second generation (your saved seeds). So
each plant that comes up will have varying traits of the parents. You
may or may not care for what grows. How different they are depends on
the nature of the parents. If you like what comes up you can try and "fix"
the desired trait in subsequent generations.

Since your plant is alive you can also propagate it by leaf cuttings.

In an open pollinated variety, the flowers will self fertilize if you have
adequate isolation distances (10 feet between varieties for home users and
much more for commercial seed producers) and the seeds from these will
come true and be identical to the parent.

I do not know if Tiny tom is open pollinated or a hybrid. A casual google
search reveals something called micro tom and tiny tim. I do not know if
either are related to what you have.

If you want to save seed, there are several web sources for open
pollinated tomato varieties (usually whatever you can buy at Home Depot,
Lowes and garden stores as plants tend to be F1 hybrid although a small
number of open pollinated types are sold).

Roland

J Kolenovsky 01-01-2004 06:12 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
It's an experiment. I'm putting a 6 inch layer on chips down on the
bermuda to see how well the fungus that forms on the chips restrict the
growth of the bermuda. It's my understanding it will but I'm
experimenting on how thick the chip layer should be. =


I've always gotten dumps of wood chips. It saves the operator from
making dump runs and increases field productivity time.

I know what you mean about the leaves. I ground up 300 sacks in November
and I still want to grind more. Between myself and my neighbor with his
lot as a victory garden, I think we have enough for now. It's still a
temptation as the leaves ALL fell in the last week or so in the Bayou
City.

J


cat daddy wrote:
=


Wow, how'd you get them to do that? No, no, don't tell me, please
no........ I actually drove past three bags of leaves this morning. I *=

will*
wash and wax my car and not carry leaves on the trunk 'til Spring......=

=2E...
How are you using woodchips on the prairie?
=


"J Kolenovsky" wrote in message
...
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City=


is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.=


It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not=


knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)
=


J
=


cat daddy wrote:

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is ever=

yone?

I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Ever=

est
of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a whi=

le,
but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the ba=

nanas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I =

have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedl=

y a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloo=

m,
some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There=

were
red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still

blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on thi=

s
hill,
anyway.


-- =

Celestial Habitats by J. Kolenovsky
2003 Honorable Mention Award, Keep Houston Beautiful
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.celestialhabitats.com - business
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.hal-pc.org/~garden/personal.html - personal

J Kolenovsky 01-01-2004 06:12 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
Whit wrote:
=

=

I haven't done much to my garden except look at it and think about
what's next. Is this a good time to relocate natives like big muhly,
lantana etc?


No one answered this one. Your tomato inquiry threw them off. Yes,
indeed, it is a great time to relocate the native plants this month.

J


-- =

Celestial Habitats by J. Kolenovsky
2003 Honorable Mention Award, Keep Houston Beautiful
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.celestialhabitats.com - business
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.hal-pc.org/~garden/personal.html - personal

J Kolenovsky 01-01-2004 06:35 PM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
cat daddy wrote:

Yeah, hardly a thing to do in the garden in Winter........ I have a=

pond
in my future, as well, and have slowly used dirt from the hole as fill
elsewhere. I really need rain to soften the sandy loam, though. The tra=

iler
rental place that has baby backhoes relocated a couple of blocks away, =

so I
don't think I'll be hand digging any more...


I'm glad I don't drive past that place. I've been eyeing baby tractors
since I've put in 2 smooth grades this past year on new landscape
construction.

-- =

Celestial Habitats by J. Kolenovsky
2003 Honorable Mention Award, Keep Houston Beautiful
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.celestialhabitats.com - business
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.hal-pc.org/~garden/personal.html - personal

animaux 02-01-2004 01:19 AM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I've experimented with as much as 2
feet of mulch and the bermuda makes its way up and through with vigor.


On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:47:16 -0600, J Kolenovsky opined:

It's an experiment. I'm putting a 6 inch layer on chips down on the
bermuda to see how well the fungus that forms on the chips restrict the
growth of the bermuda. It's my understanding it will but I'm
experimenting on how thick the chip layer should be.

I've always gotten dumps of wood chips. It saves the operator from
making dump runs and increases field productivity time.

I know what you mean about the leaves. I ground up 300 sacks in November
and I still want to grind more. Between myself and my neighbor with his
lot as a victory garden, I think we have enough for now. It's still a
temptation as the leaves ALL fell in the last week or so in the Bayou
City.

J


cat daddy wrote:

Wow, how'd you get them to do that? No, no, don't tell me, please
no........ I actually drove past three bags of leaves this morning. I *will*
wash and wax my car and not carry leaves on the trunk 'til Spring..........
How are you using woodchips on the prairie?

"J Kolenovsky" wrote in message
...
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)

J

cat daddy wrote:

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?

I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest

of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while,

but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom,

some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were
red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still
blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this

hill,
anyway.



animaux 02-01-2004 01:19 AM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I've experimented with as much as 2
feet of mulch and the bermuda makes its way up and through with vigor.


On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:47:16 -0600, J Kolenovsky opined:

It's an experiment. I'm putting a 6 inch layer on chips down on the
bermuda to see how well the fungus that forms on the chips restrict the
growth of the bermuda. It's my understanding it will but I'm
experimenting on how thick the chip layer should be.

I've always gotten dumps of wood chips. It saves the operator from
making dump runs and increases field productivity time.

I know what you mean about the leaves. I ground up 300 sacks in November
and I still want to grind more. Between myself and my neighbor with his
lot as a victory garden, I think we have enough for now. It's still a
temptation as the leaves ALL fell in the last week or so in the Bayou
City.

J


cat daddy wrote:

Wow, how'd you get them to do that? No, no, don't tell me, please
no........ I actually drove past three bags of leaves this morning. I *will*
wash and wax my car and not carry leaves on the trunk 'til Spring..........
How are you using woodchips on the prairie?

"J Kolenovsky" wrote in message
...
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)

J

cat daddy wrote:

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?

I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. Everest

of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a while,

but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these cold
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips. I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're supposedly a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom,

some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were
red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still
blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this

hill,
anyway.



J Kolenovsky 02-01-2004 06:32 AM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
Don't tell HIM that.


animaux wrote:
=


I don't want to rain on your parade, but I've experimented with as much=

as 2
feet of mulch and the bermuda makes its way up and through with vigor.
=


On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:47:16 -0600, J Kolenovsky op=

ined:
=


It's an experiment. I'm putting a 6 inch layer on chips down on the
bermuda to see how well the fungus that forms on the chips restrict th=

e
growth of the bermuda. It's my understanding it will but I'm
experimenting on how thick the chip layer should be.

I've always gotten dumps of wood chips. It saves the operator from
making dump runs and increases field productivity time.

I know what you mean about the leaves. I ground up 300 sacks in Novemb=

er
and I still want to grind more. Between myself and my neighbor with hi=

s
lot as a victory garden, I think we have enough for now. It's still a
temptation as the leaves ALL fell in the last week or so in the Bayou
City.

J


cat daddy wrote:

Wow, how'd you get them to do that? No, no, don't tell me, pleas=

e
no........ I actually drove past three bags of leaves this morning. =

I *will*
wash and wax my car and not carry leaves on the trunk 'til Spring...=

=2E......
How are you using woodchips on the prairie?

"J Kolenovsky" wrote in message
...
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the C=

ity
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it o=

ut.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the gree=

n
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept =

not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)

J

cat daddy wrote:

"animaux" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is e=

veryone?

I had hoped obsessive compost building had ended with the Mt. E=

verest
of
heaps, until I happened upon another 75 bags of leaves. It took a =

while,
but
I now have Vesuvius going in the backyard. Pretty cool on these co=

ld
mornings....
The ground was frosty this morning for the first time, only the=

bananas
are damaged, and the wild iris and others are putting up new tips.=

I have
salvia blooming and butterflies...
I watered a couple of days ago, as well........... We're suppos=

edly a
foot low for the year.

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to b=

loom,
some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. Th=

ere were
red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all stil=

l
blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on =

this
hill,
anyway.


-- =

Celestial Habitats by J. Kolenovsky
2003 Honorable Mention Award, Keep Houston Beautiful
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.celestialhabitats.com - business
=F4=BF=F4 - http://www.hal-pc.org/~garden/personal.html - personal

B-0b1 06-01-2004 08:15 AM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
see below

animaux wrote:

I don't think it's been this quiet in here in years! Where is everyone?

I had to water my garden today. The bluebonnets are wanting to bloom, some
irises are blooming and my redbuds are budding and blooming. There were red
admirals at the mud puddle and on the lantana, which is all still blooming. I
don't think we've had a frost up here in NE Round Rock. Not on this hill,
anyway.

I'm going to start seeds this weekend and pot some things up for sale to the
nurseries and get seeds ready to trade.

If anyone is reading this, do you think it is a good time to move the following:

Mexican buckeye
Evergreen Sumac
Apple tree (yearling)
Yucca (several different forms, completely pupped and ready to give birth)

If not now, when would you move these? Would you wait it out till next fall?

V-Happy New Year folks.


Right now at the COLDEST time of the year is the BEST time to move a plant.
considering our SUN is not as unpredictable as it has been since 1991( actually
1962), the
natural weather patterns are returning and probably will be pseudo normal for the
next 100
yrs or so...GOD only knows WHAT will happen in the interim! The Blue Bonnets
finally
started again as they should. For a while they came in the fall only and the Red
corn Flowers
came in the early Spring which was BASS-ACKWARDS from normal. LONG story here
if you're interested?? We're just LUCKY to be here instead of vaporised as we
should have
been had the SUN NOT been ameliorated at a critical moment in time..(1997). We'd
have
been soul Spirits wondering what hit us. See second Peter ch 3 verse 10 for the
answer also
mentioned in the next two books in a similar fashion! Long and amazing story
here! B-0b1

--
"Beaten Paths are for Beaten People". -- Anon.



cat daddy 10-01-2004 09:02 AM

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!echo echo echo echo...
 
Great, now you've got me eyeing Davey trucks........... I hadn't
considered it would be more convenient to dump the chips nearby.
On a related note, I did skip leaf trawling for one whole week, but
couldn't resist 6 bags that the city didn't pick up. I mulch mowed them and
spread them directly on the flowerbeds, since I missed spreading the
finished compost that's buried under four feet of leaves.......
The big pile is still going great. Since I cover it, the top 1 ft. layer
is damp and black, and underneath is hot, dryish, and covered in a white
fungus (like ash). I still worry if I'm getting enough water (there are
still pockets of dry leaves) and air to the center. There is a slight
ammonia smell. Turning more than the top layer is not an option, so next
time I think I'll put in vertical PVC drain pipe to see if that helps.

"J Kolenovsky" wrote in message
...
It's an experiment. I'm putting a 6 inch layer on chips down on the
bermuda to see how well the fungus that forms on the chips restrict the
growth of the bermuda. It's my understanding it will but I'm
experimenting on how thick the chip layer should be.

I've always gotten dumps of wood chips. It saves the operator from
making dump runs and increases field productivity time.

I know what you mean about the leaves. I ground up 300 sacks in November
and I still want to grind more. Between myself and my neighbor with his
lot as a victory garden, I think we have enough for now. It's still a
temptation as the leaves ALL fell in the last week or so in the Bayou
City.

J


cat daddy wrote:

Wow, how'd you get them to do that? No, no, don't tell me, please
no........ I actually drove past three bags of leaves this morning. I

*will*
wash and wax my car and not carry leaves on the trunk 'til

Spring..........
How are you using woodchips on the prairie?

"J Kolenovsky" wrote in message
...
I had Davey Tree dump a free load of wood chips by the prairie the City
is letting me establish. Had to take a hired hand and go spread it out.
It was charring on the inside night after it rained and got the green
stuff wet. Didn't want some uninformed person calling the fire dept not
knowing what's going on. (that HAS happened once before)





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