What does one do about the worms hanging out of the trees. Although
not as bad as last year, they are chewing the hell out of my live oak
leaves and getting started on my roses and just about everything else.
I've been going out a couple times a day with long stick and knocking
the hangers down, but I don't know if that accomplishes much beyond
temporary satisfaction.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:38:07 -0500, J Rob wrote:

wrote:
What does one do about the worms hanging out of the trees. Although
not as bad as last year, they are chewing the hell out of my live oak
leaves and getting started on my roses and just about everything else.
I've been going out a couple times a day with long stick and knocking
the hangers down, but I don't know if that accomplishes much beyond
temporary satisfaction.


Go ahead and satisfy yourself. Between completing their life
cycle and pupating, and their natural enemies, the caterpillars
will be gone in another week or so.
What JRob said.

but since I just sent a client an email about htis, here's abit more
info:


The little worms are called leaf rollers. They attack oaks every year
around this time, eating (and rolling up in, as a cocoon) the new
leaves. They are followed shortly by predatory insects (like tiny
wasps) and birds, who eat them. Some years, the worms boom, which
creates a happy time for the predators. Other years, the predators
are so bountiful (from previous worm booms) that they dominate, but
their population suffers because of a lack of food. Generally, the
boom-bust cycle takes care of itself--the worms run their course
quickly enough and the tree recovers without much trouble.


If this seems like a particularly heavy infestation of worms, they can
be sprayed. I'd avoid broad applications of pesticide in favor of Bt
(Bacteria thurngiensis). This bacteria targets caterpillars and worms
specifically and kills them without harming other insects. Of course,
you might have some caterpillars about that could become beautiful
butterflies, so I'd still avoid spraying unless you have a really bad
case (based on what I've seen this year, I don't think it should be
that bad, but these things are sometimes localized).

Keith Babberney
ISA Certified Arborist

Thanks Keith and JRob

Last year the little *******s were really thick and stripped one big
old tree so bad that I thought it was dead. It didn't look healthy for
months. This year I'm probably just watching them too closely.

wrote:
What does one do about the worms hanging out of the trees. Although
not as bad as last year, they are chewing the hell out of my live oak
leaves and getting started on my roses and just about everything else.

Spray with BT the plants you need to protect. I wouldn't worry about
mature trees.

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:38:07 -0500, J Rob wrote:
The little worms are called leaf rollers. They attack oaks every year
around this time, eating (and rolling up in, as a cocoon) the new
leaves. They are followed shortly by predatory insects (like tiny
wasps) and birds, who eat them. Some years, the worms boom, which
creates a happy time for the predators. Other years, the predators
are so bountiful (from previous worm booms) that they dominate, but
their population suffers because of a lack of food. Generally, the
boom-bust cycle takes care of itself--the worms run their course
quickly enough and the tree recovers without much trouble.

In the forest, in Caddo Parish, Louisiana, there are years when those
worms strip virtually all the leaves from the oaks. Their droppings are
tiny dry black spheres, and can be dropping so abundantly they sound
like drizzling rain. They uglify the oaks, but have never -- so far as I
can tell -- do any lasting harm to them.

Sometimes there are some stinging catapillars -- not numerous, thank
goodness. If they fall on your skin the area they touch burns and stings
and swells and turns red, very much like what happens when you brush
against a bull nettle.

I've always wondered what might happen if the heavy leaf-eating worms
would come in the same year as a drought. I've never seen the two in
the same summer. Drought (along with pine beetles and the beetles that
kill mature red oaks) is one of the most destructive enemies of trees in
in this region.

Knowing that some plants (that cannot be watered) sometimes weather
a drought better if they are cut back (to avoid dehydration)... I wonder
if the reduction in total leaf surface by catapillars might even confer
a slight advantage in a drought year.

Only someone knowing actual research results could say, for sure.


Keith Babberney
ISA Certified Arborist