My townie neighbours have installed lights down their garden. It is a
phenomena I have seen in many townies who move to the coutnry. I put it
down to them being scared of the dark and convinced that hordes of
thieves lurk in the brambles at the bottom of their garden just waiting
to come into their garden at night.
I am used to going to sleep at night in pitch dark and now find myself
laying awake until the early hours because the light pattern thrown up
onto my bedroom wall keeps me awake. I *hate* light pollution.
I used to be able to lay in bed at night and look up to the sky and
see stars. That was before the floodlights. Now I cannot see the stars
anymore.

In article . com,
pammyT writes
My townie neighbours

Pammy - this is the second time recently you have said something
derogatory about 'townies'.

Whatever our preferences, most of us have little choice but to live in
towns and cities within reasonable distance of our employment. That
doesn't necessarily make us a lower form of life. But that is the
message I receive when you make generalisations about 'townies'.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In message , JennyC
writes

We were recently in one of the (allegedly) darkest places on Earth
(Bryce Canyon USA) and one could actually see the Milky Way !!

You don't need that much darkness. Given a clear enough sky you can see
the Milky Way from British cities. Then again, I spent a night up at
Loch Morlich one October many years ago, and the night sky was stunning.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article ,
Kay wrote:
In article . com,
pammyT writes
My townie neighbours

Pammy - this is the second time recently you have said something
derogatory about 'townies'.

Whatever our preferences, most of us have little choice but to live in
towns and cities within reasonable distance of our employment. That
doesn't necessarily make us a lower form of life. But that is the
message I receive when you make generalisations about 'townies'.

Well, shall I start? I regard 99.999% of this country as irredeemable
townies. For heaven's sake, they wimp out at the very thought of
encountering even the most harmless sort of medium-sized predator
between their bed and their dunny.

Anyone who buys a house in what passes for country in the UK and
installs floodlights deserves all of the insults they get. Live
in a city if you must, like it if you choose, but don't attempt to
turn the whole of the UK into suburbia.

Yes, I live in suburbia.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , JennyC
writes

We were recently in one of the (allegedly) darkest places on Earth
(Bryce Canyon USA) and one could actually see the Milky Way !!

You don't need that much darkness. Given a clear enough sky you can see
the Milky Way from British cities. Then again, I spent a night up at
Loch Morlich one October many years ago, and the night sky was stunning.

The sky above the UK is almost never clear - I don't remember there
being any nights where the sky above Cambridge was this year, though
there were some that weren't too bad. I don't remember ANY night
where I could see any real stars below about 20 degrees above the
horizon, and that isn't just old age. There were only a few nights
when one could even glimpse the milky way :-(

Compare sleeping out in Scotland to sleeping out in somewhere closer
to the equator with a dry, continental climate and the gloom of the
UK becomes obvious.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

The conversion - bornagainedness - of the garden light I found:

the first two pics taken in daylight, the other, taken in low light and
the colours adjusted to as near be as possible to RL, showing the
'mantle' effect. (Even in low light I had to cover the sensor.)

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/temp/lamp1.jpg
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/temp/lamp2.jpg
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/temp/lamp3.jpg

--
Rusty
horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk

In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
In article ,
Kay wrote:
In article . com,
pammyT writes
My townie neighbours

Pammy - this is the second time recently you have said something
derogatory about 'townies'.

Whatever our preferences, most of us have little choice but to live in
towns and cities within reasonable distance of our employment. That
doesn't necessarily make us a lower form of life. But that is the
message I receive when you make generalisations about 'townies'.

Well, shall I start? I regard 99.999% of this country as irredeemable
townies. For heaven's sake, they wimp out at the very thought of
encountering even the most harmless sort of medium-sized predator
between their bed and their dunny.

Anyone who buys a house in what passes for country in the UK and
installs floodlights deserves all of the insults they get.

I wasn't disagreeing with that. I was disagreeing with the
generalisation 'townies' which includes me, as a town dweller, in the
group being criticised, irrespective of whether I exhibit the behaviour
being criticised.


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

If you are based in the UK you can do something about bright night lights as of 2005 the CPRE managed to get legislation through...

If you want to you can do something about it!


Rich

"An Oasis" wrote in message
...

If you are based in the UK you can do something about bright night
lights as of 2005 the CPRE managed to get legislation through...

If you want to you can do something about it!

Rich

What - where - how - URL ??
Jenny

"Kay" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
pammyT writes
My townie neighbours

Pammy - this is the second time recently you have said something
derogatory about 'townies'.

Whatever our preferences, most of us have little choice but to live in
towns and cities within reasonable distance of our employment. That
doesn't necessarily make us a lower form of life. But that is the
message I receive when you make generalisations about 'townies'.


'Townie' actually has a specific meaning, if only colloquially. The more
modern equivalent is 'chav' although the overlap is not total.

I assumed evryone knew CPRE

http://www.cpre.org.uk/news-releases...2005/23-05.htm

"An Oasis" wrote in message
...

JennyC Wrote:
"An Oasis" wrote in message
...-

If you are based in the UK you can do something about bright night
lights as of 2005 the CPRE managed to get legislation through...

If you want to you can do something about it!

Rich-

What - where - how - URL ??
Jenny

I assumed evryone knew CPRE
http://tinyurl.com/bwn2q

Not living in England (anymore) I tend not to be 100% up to date with such
things :~)
Jenny

In article , Pete Franklin
writes

"Kay" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
pammyT writes
My townie neighbours

Pammy - this is the second time recently you have said something
derogatory about 'townies'.

Whatever our preferences, most of us have little choice but to live in
towns and cities within reasonable distance of our employment. That
doesn't necessarily make us a lower form of life. But that is the
message I receive when you make generalisations about 'townies'.


'Townie' actually has a specific meaning, if only colloquially. The more
modern equivalent is 'chav' although the overlap is not total.

You mean 'townie' as distinct from, say 'mosher' or 'goth'? I didn't
think it was being used in this sense, but maybe you are right.



--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

The message
from Kay contains these words:

'Townie' actually has a specific meaning, if only colloquially. The more
modern equivalent is 'chav' although the overlap is not total.

You mean 'townie' as distinct from, say 'mosher' or 'goth'? I didn't
think it was being used in this sense, but maybe you are right.

A Goth is someone from the Black Gountry (and bling) Shirley?

--
Rusty
horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/