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Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in
the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering :-) kate |
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"Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 8/11/05 18:43, in article , "Kate Morgan" wrote: Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering :-) kate I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes, or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands, either! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Oh dear :-(( ONCE AGIAN Sacha pokes her nose into something she knows sod all about. This just happens to be a common practice and the fact that you have not done it, does NOT mean it shouldn't be done. Or are you a skilled builder and reconstruction and renovation specialist now as well? Kate ignore her and get your local builder in to have a look. Listen to him because if he is LOCAL he would no doubt have done it before. And no, huge great holes are NOT going to be made in the chimney breast in the roof/loft space, they are large enough to get a hand holding a handbag mirror in and then shining a torch light onto the mirror, the light is reflected around to see where the nest is. THEN, possibly another small hole is made in the vacinity of the nest. Sacha. Shut up. |
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says... "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 8/11/05 18:43, in article , "Kate Morgan" wrote: Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering :-) kate I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes, or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands, either! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Oh dear :-(( ONCE AGIAN Sacha pokes her nose into something she knows sod all about. This just happens to be a common practice and the fact that you have not done it, does NOT mean it shouldn't be done. Or are you a skilled builder and reconstruction and renovation specialist now as well? Kate ignore her and get your local builder in to have a look. Listen to him because if he is LOCAL he would no doubt have done it before. And no, huge great holes are NOT going to be made in the chimney breast in the roof/loft space, they are large enough to get a hand holding a handbag mirror in and then shining a torch light onto the mirror, the light is reflected around to see where the nest is. THEN, possibly another small hole is made in the vacinity of the nest. Sacha. Shut up. Will do Mike thanks again :-) |
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from Sacha contains these words: I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes, or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands, either! Should be quite safe as long as the chimney isn't a free-standing one, but it's knowing just where the nest is. Without measuring from the top you're unlikely to know, and in any case, a house that old tends to have a fair height of chimney above the roof level, so I wouldn't think an assault from the loft would be rewarding. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from "Mike" contains these words: Oh dear :-(( ONCE AGIAN Sacha pokes her nose into something she knows sod all about. This just happens to be a common practice and the fact that you have not done it, does NOT mean it shouldn't be done. Well, I would bet a pound to a penny that it should *NOT* be done, not from the safety point of view, but because the nest is bound to be several feet above any hole you could make into the flue from the loft. Or are you a skilled builder and reconstruction and renovation specialist now as well? Well, I am, if Sacha isn't. Kate ignore her and get your local builder in to have a look. Listen to him because if he is LOCAL he would no doubt have done it before. With that I wouldn't take issue. And no, huge great holes are NOT going to be made in the chimney breast in the roof/loft space, they are large enough to get a hand holding a handbag mirror in and then shining a torch light onto the mirror, the light is reflected around to see where the nest is. THEN, possibly another small hole is made in the vacinity of the nest. Which is sure to be well out of reach. Sacha. Shut up. It would make a nice change if you weren't so needlessly offensive. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message k from Sacha contains these words: I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes, or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands, either! Should be quite safe as long as the chimney isn't a free-standing one, but it's knowing just where the nest is. Without measuring from the top you're unlikely to know, and in any case, a house that old tends to have a fair height of chimney above the roof level, so I wouldn't think an assault from the loft would be rewarding. -- Thus the local builder who would have done it more times than Sacha had written 'Gardening For Beginners' |
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On 8/11/05 21:03, in article ,
"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote: The message k from Sacha contains these words: I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes, or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands, either! Should be quite safe as long as the chimney isn't a free-standing one, but it's knowing just where the nest is. Without measuring from the top you're unlikely to know, and in any case, a house that old tends to have a fair height of chimney above the roof level, so I wouldn't think an assault from the loft would be rewarding. Yes. Having renovated/restored four houses now, three of them quite old, I have some glimmering of how not to go about amateur meddling. Messing about with chimneys on a three storey house of considerable age is not to be undertaken lightly. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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writes Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering :-) kate Just my two pennorth worth, I would get a local builder in as advised, I wouldn't go knocking holes in the chimney breast unless you really know what you are getting into, having dismantled a few chimneys... they can be of all sorts of shapes, sizes and of a varying thickness so I would use this idea as almost a last resort (the last would be dismantling it) HTH -- David |
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"David" wrote in message ... In article , Kate Morgan writes Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering :-) kate Just my two pennorth worth, I would get a local builder in as advised, I wouldn't go knocking holes in the chimney breast unless you really know what you are getting into, having dismantled a few chimneys... they can be of all sorts of shapes, sizes and of a varying thickness so I would use this idea as almost a last resort (the last would be dismantling it) especially if the property has been in the hands of a DIY Renovator/Restorer :-(( My present hose had been in the hands of one of those and he/she removed the chimney breast from the rooms below and left the chimney stack in the roof supported on a length of 3 x 2 stretched across the rafters!! Now removed. The previous house was the same. 'Electrical rewire' and cables going ACROSS the joists and floorboards laid across those. We wondered what the burning smell was!! Same house. Partition to make a passageway to the extension and new bedrooms at the back made of 'any old timber' bodged together. We wondered why they rocked and were not too secure. Get the oldest builder you can find. Not some of these "We do everything. Plumbing, Gardening, Electrical, Extensions" and by 'oldest builder', I mean the oldest "established" builder in your area. People have taken great delight in jumping on me as though I talk crap. Sorry but I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt, nearly had my house burnt down, nearly had a chimney stack through the roof, thanks to DIY ers who 'have done it before so we know what we are doing' ..... Yes Sacha YOU Mike |
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On 9/11/05 9:04, in article
, "Mike" wrote: snip People have taken great delight in jumping on me as though I talk crap. Sorry but I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt, nearly had my house burnt down, nearly had a chimney stack through the roof, thanks to DIY ers who 'have done it before so we know what we are doing' ..... Yes Sacha YOU Mike You are utterly ridiculous, as is all too usual with you. You think I "Did It Myself"? How stupid of you to make assumptions but how typical. I employed professionals on each project and at every stage. I didn't wield so much as a screwdriver myself. People jump on you because you talk crap 99.9% of the time, you tell lies and you boast endlessly about how wonderful you are, how successful, how clever and how popular etc. It falls firmly into the category of the "fool doth protest too much" and "when a man speaks of his honour, make him pay cash". -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 9/11/05 9:04, in article , "Mike" wrote: snip People have taken great delight in jumping on me as though I talk crap. Sorry but I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt, nearly had my house burnt down, nearly had a chimney stack through the roof, thanks to DIY ers who 'have done it before so we know what we are doing' ..... Yes Sacha YOU Mike You are utterly ridiculous, as is all too usual with you. You think I "Did It Myself"? How stupid of you to make assumptions but how typical. I employed professionals on each project and at every stage. I didn't wield so much as a screwdriver myself. People jump on you because you talk crap 99.9% of the time, you tell lies and you boast endlessly about how wonderful you are, how successful, how clever and how popular etc. It falls firmly into the category of the "fool doth protest too much" and "when a man speaks of his honour, make him pay cash". I'm surprised you rose to the bait, since Mike's comment was clearly intended to needle you. Anyway, it's sound advice to consult a competent professional on property matters. It might even prevent unpleasant surprises, like finding out after purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing adequate support for the chimney stacks :-) |
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On 9/11/05 9:06, in article , "Kate
Morgan" wrote: snip I am an OAP and I dont think I could knock the skin of a rice pudding - not really that feeble and I would eat the rice pudding skin especially if it were burnt - but thank you for your concern and interest, it will be local builder and raiding the piggy bank I think :-) Kate, one more thing with regard to this. Do check your insurance policy or give your insurers a ring. Most want to be told when you have builders in or any work is going on. They may not be bothered if it's all external work but it's worth a phone call to check. The last place I did had builders all over it for about 4 months and my insurers needed notice of that, certainly. It's not worth risking your money for the sake of a phone call! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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"Kate Morgan" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , Kate Morgan writes Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering :-) kate Just my two pennorth worth, I would get a local builder in as advised, I wouldn't go knocking holes in the chimney breast unless you really know what you are getting into, having dismantled a few chimneys... they can be of all sorts of shapes, sizes and of a varying thickness so I would use this idea as almost a last resort (the last would be dismantling it) HTH I am an OAP and I dont think I could knock the skin of a rice pudding - not really that feeble and I would eat the rice pudding skin especially if it were burnt - but thank you for your concern and interest, it will be local builder and raiding the piggy bank I think :-) kate You haven't said if you've tried any other chimney sweeps. I stand to be corrected, but I don't think chimney sweeps charge for giving estimates. And so apart from the possible inconvenience of having loads of extra strangers visiting your home, which you might not welcome, otherwise there's no harm in you asking any number of reputable chimney sweeps to have a look. ( Just don't ask me how you discover whether they're reputable or not.) And give you their opinion. If you look chimney sweeps up in Yellow pages you might be able to discuss your problem over the phone. It may be that the first one you asked had an over cautious attitude, or simply didn't want the extra work involved. In this day and age, I would imagine nowadays a real professional outfit would have some sort of camera mounted on the end of their rods along with a light which they could use to inspect the chimney. If local grocery stores can afford cameras to catch shoplifters, you'd imagine a sweep could as well. Chimney sweeps rather than builders should be the specialists for problems of this kind. And if they know what they're doing, and have the right equipment, they may be able to do the job in no time without making a meal of it, or charging you the earth. Whereas if you ask a builder, no matter how old he is etc. etc. he has an incentive to make a meal of it by erecting scaffolding and making as much of a fuss, and charging as much, as he can. In my opinion at least, there's no harm in asking around. michael adams .... |
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