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For those interested in the questions raised recently, this is a good web
site to get some info on the matter. http://www.romanin.com/pages/romanin.php?lang=en Many years ago, I knew the Charmolue family pretty well and have been fortunate enough to drink some of their delicious Chateau Montrose on many occasions. If this didn't work, Jean Louis wouldn't be doing it! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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Sacha wrote: For those interested in the questions raised recently, this is a good web site to get some info on the matter. http://www.romanin.com/pages/romanin.php?lang=en Many years ago, I knew the Charmolue family pretty well and have been fortunate enough to drink some of their delicious Chateau Montrose on many occasions. If this didn't work, Jean Louis wouldn't be doing it! Off course they wouldn't. It's something I grew up with and it becomes second nature. When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. I spent a lot of time in le Crau du Roi as a kid. My cousin (in Marseille) wanted to call my nephew Romanin but it was decided to call him Romain, which is as beautiful :o) |
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"La Puce" wrote after Sacha wrote: For those interested in the questions raised recently, this is a good web site to get some info on the matter. http://www.romanin.com/pages/romanin.php?lang=en Many years ago, I knew the Charmolue family pretty well and have been fortunate enough to drink some of their delicious Chateau Montrose on many occasions. If this didn't work, Jean Louis wouldn't be doing it! Off course they wouldn't. It's something I grew up with and it becomes second nature. When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. I spent a lot of time in le Crau du Roi as a kid. My cousin (in Marseille) wanted to call my nephew Romanin but it was decided to call him Romain, which is as beautiful :o) So you named him after a type of lettuce? :-) -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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Bob Hobden wrote: So you named him after a type of lettuce? :-) :o) But it's Romaine, Bob. You had me giggling today. I ventured into the england.rec and sow that post by this chap claiming to grow veggies by the grace of baby jesus. I wonder if there's a calendar for it too .... |
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"La Puce" wrote in message
When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message om from "La Puce" contains these words: Farm1 wrote: "La Puce" wrote in message When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics Yes, permaculture is very close to biodynamics. No, it isn't, as Fran just pointed out. Also the philosophy of permies and biodynamics are identical, a holistic and spriritual approach to nature and the human being. No, they are not identical philosophies. Both are based on the research by Steiner - Misleading rubbish. Permaculture is not based on Steiner or his theory of anthroposophy. Pc was developed in Australia by Mollison and Holmgren. It would be hard to imagine two people less interested in fairies, angels devas, auras and the occult. Janet. Permaculture cover the gambit of society and economics incorporating such things as town planning, construction and transport, monetary systems etc etc. I have not seen that sort of thing come out of bio-dynamics. rob |
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Farm1 wrote: "La Puce" wrote in message When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics Sorry for the delay - I was away in Danmark and Sweden for a few days and it was a fabulous trip. Yes, permaculture is very close to biodynamics. I have used planting by the moon for years, but not entirely rigid to the calendar though. Also the philosophy of permies and biodynamics are identical, a holistic and spriritual approach to nature and the human being. Both are based on the research by Steiner - in my permaculture favourite place, Middlewood near Lancaster where I've spent sometime, a Steiner school has been ran there since the 60s. Both design for sustainability, ecology and care of the earth and it's people. HTH |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: No, it isn't, as Fran just pointed out. Yes it is. There's lots of similarities which I have pointed out to you and others that I haven't. Permaculture is not based on Steiner or his theory of anthroposophy. 'Based' is not the word I should have used. I should have said influenced. Explain to me why so many permies that I know, and I know quite a few, do regard Steiner's research as a positive addition to the permaculture movement? Pc was developed in Australia by Mollison and Holmgren. Yes, that's right. It would be hard to imagine two people less interested in fairies, angels devas, auras and the occult. But then again from someone who thinks she knows what people think, you ought to point out that this is your opinion. My early email pointed out to many similarities but you have, strangely or perhaps not, snip it. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: No, it isn't, as Fran just pointed out. Yes it is. There's lots of similarities which I have pointed out to you and others that I haven't. I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Permaculture is not based on Steiner or his theory of anthroposophy. 'Based' is not the word I should have used. I should have said influenced. Nope. I have "Permaculture One" which is the first book produced by Holmgren and Mollison and it is based on Holmgren's thesis. Steiner is not mentioned in the bibliography but a well known Australian farmer and plough designer by the name of P. A. Yeomans is the most mentioned. Other than him, names you may recognise are Ken Kerns, J. I. Rodale and Lawrence Hills. In what is known as the "bible" in Permaculture terms (ie Mollison's book "Permaculture") the reference section mentions people like Fukuoka and Sir Albert Howard but again Steiner is not mentioned, nor does the name appear in the Index.. |
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Farm1 wrote: "La Puce" wrote in message When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics Sorry for the delay - I was away in Danmark and Sweden for a few days and it was a fabulous trip. Yes, permaculture is very close to biodynamics. Both have a base in organic principles but that is about where the similarity ends. I have used planting by the moon for years, but not entirely rigid to the calendar though. Also the philosophy of permies and biodynamics are identical, a holistic and spriritual approach to nature and the human being. Both are based on the research by Steiner Steiner has had nothing to do with the development of Permaculture. Permaculture was originally the idea of Australians Holmgren and Mollison and Bill Mollison and the similarities between Permaculture and Biodynamics are about as similar Islam and Christianity. Both have philosophies and dogma telling adherents how they should conduct their lives but that does not make them identical. |
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Farm1 wrote: I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Erroneous statement! Listen to you. Who do you think you are? You confuse reading books with actually doing something. I've read you on a few forums, notably alt.permaculture a long while ago - I'm sure you are devoted to what you're doing, but please do drop the aggression or I'm not bothering replying to you. Read my second post in this thread - you will then understand where I'm coming from. Also lets mention that you are a great pal of Janet and you will do all you can to be abusive to me. I have made a mistake with a word - if you were that interested you will have forgiven me. But you are more interested with having a conflict with me. Nope. I have "Permaculture One" Yes, you have a couple of books and I have many projects under my belt, lots of fantastic contacts with beautiful people across Europe and a permaculture certificate. When you can talk about what *you* have done, and what *you* have experienced rather than quote from your books and references, then I'll talk with you. |
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Uncle Marvo wrote: You may be forgiven - if I was writing in French I would probably use the wrong word, quite often. But I would know what I meant :-) Hello there Uncle! I always mean what I say and never ever regret a word. If I make a mistake I apologise. If I have made a mistake on purpose there's usually a smile next to it. I'm really not complicated. I've been writting a lot of French recently and I'm a bit muddled atm. Blimey ... these wimmin ... cob webs I tell you ;o) |
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"La Puce" wrote Farm1 wrote: I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Erroneous statement! Listen to you. Who do you think you are? You confuse reading books with actually doing something. I've read you on a few forums, notably alt.permaculture a long while ago - I'm sure you are devoted to what you're doing, but please do drop the aggression or I'm not bothering replying to you. Farm1 wrote nothing that was either aggressive or abusive - unlike yourself. -- Sue |
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Farm1 wrote: I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Erroneous statement! Listen to you. Who do you think you are? You clearly don't want to admit it but you DID make erroneous statements. And you have been told this by 3 people. Biodynamics is based on the work of Steiner: Permaculture is not. And since you ask (in what many people would consider to be an offensive manner) "who I think I am", then I'll tell you that I think, and know, that I am someone who knows the difference between Biodynamics and Permaculture. Both have an organic focus but Permaculture is not based on the work of Steiner and nor do Permaculturalists rely on the various Formula 500-508 and other techniques that the Biodynamics adherants do. You confuse reading books with actually doing something. I thought that explaining to you in a manner that would enable you to check on what I say might help you to clear up your misunderstanding. I can see now that I was wrong to try to give you facts. You have a particular view and being given the facts and thus being able to check them doesn't appear to matter to you. I've read you on a few forums, notably alt.permaculture a long while ago - I'm sure you are devoted to what you're doing, but please do drop the aggression or I'm not bothering replying to you. I have also read you here. I've also read you when you very nastily chose to stalk Janet into another ng where she posted. You have acted offensively, aggressively and very nastily in other places. A real case of pot, kettle black. Read my second post in this thread - you will then understand where I'm coming from. Also lets mention that you are a great pal of Janet and you will do all you can to be abusive to me. Janet and I have posted in a number of differing ngs for years. I've found her to be straight down the line. No dissembling or lying. If I recall correctly, you were treated aggressively and abusively by all decent and normal residents of that other newsgroup when you deliberately and nastily chose to stalk Janet. I consider it ill manners at the very least to stalk anyone either in the flesh or by way of the internet. Such behaviour deserves a certain amount of aggression in response as that is the only mechanism open in this la-la land of the ether. It's the only form of moderation of appalling behaviour that is available. You made the choice to stalk someone and got what you deserve. I have made a mistake with a word - if you were that interested you will have forgiven me. But you are more interested with having a conflict with me. You didn't merely make a mistake with a word. You made erroneous statements. You may not have understood or been confused but if given facts in a response and you can then check those facts for yourself and you see this as aggression, then so be it. Nope. I have "Permaculture One" Yes, you have a couple of books and I have many projects under my belt, lots of fantastic contacts with beautiful people across Europe and a permaculture certificate. When you can talk about what *you* have done, and what *you* have experienced rather than quote from your books and references, then I'll talk with you. Well that excuse saves you from having to check your understanding of the topic but it doesn't enhance your reputation for being accurate or correct. |
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