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For those interested in the questions raised recently, this is a good web
site to get some info on the matter. http://www.romanin.com/pages/romanin.php?lang=en Many years ago, I knew the Charmolue family pretty well and have been fortunate enough to drink some of their delicious Chateau Montrose on many occasions. If this didn't work, Jean Louis wouldn't be doing it! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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Sacha wrote: For those interested in the questions raised recently, this is a good web site to get some info on the matter. http://www.romanin.com/pages/romanin.php?lang=en Many years ago, I knew the Charmolue family pretty well and have been fortunate enough to drink some of their delicious Chateau Montrose on many occasions. If this didn't work, Jean Louis wouldn't be doing it! Off course they wouldn't. It's something I grew up with and it becomes second nature. When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. I spent a lot of time in le Crau du Roi as a kid. My cousin (in Marseille) wanted to call my nephew Romanin but it was decided to call him Romain, which is as beautiful :o) |
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"La Puce" wrote after Sacha wrote: For those interested in the questions raised recently, this is a good web site to get some info on the matter. http://www.romanin.com/pages/romanin.php?lang=en Many years ago, I knew the Charmolue family pretty well and have been fortunate enough to drink some of their delicious Chateau Montrose on many occasions. If this didn't work, Jean Louis wouldn't be doing it! Off course they wouldn't. It's something I grew up with and it becomes second nature. When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. I spent a lot of time in le Crau du Roi as a kid. My cousin (in Marseille) wanted to call my nephew Romanin but it was decided to call him Romain, which is as beautiful :o) So you named him after a type of lettuce? :-) -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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Bob Hobden wrote: So you named him after a type of lettuce? :-) :o) But it's Romaine, Bob. You had me giggling today. I ventured into the england.rec and sow that post by this chap claiming to grow veggies by the grace of baby jesus. I wonder if there's a calendar for it too .... |
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"La Puce" wrote in message
When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message om from "La Puce" contains these words: Farm1 wrote: "La Puce" wrote in message When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics Yes, permaculture is very close to biodynamics. No, it isn't, as Fran just pointed out. Also the philosophy of permies and biodynamics are identical, a holistic and spriritual approach to nature and the human being. No, they are not identical philosophies. Both are based on the research by Steiner - Misleading rubbish. Permaculture is not based on Steiner or his theory of anthroposophy. Pc was developed in Australia by Mollison and Holmgren. It would be hard to imagine two people less interested in fairies, angels devas, auras and the occult. Janet. Permaculture cover the gambit of society and economics incorporating such things as town planning, construction and transport, monetary systems etc etc. I have not seen that sort of thing come out of bio-dynamics. rob |
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Farm1 wrote: "La Puce" wrote in message When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics Sorry for the delay - I was away in Danmark and Sweden for a few days and it was a fabulous trip. Yes, permaculture is very close to biodynamics. I have used planting by the moon for years, but not entirely rigid to the calendar though. Also the philosophy of permies and biodynamics are identical, a holistic and spriritual approach to nature and the human being. Both are based on the research by Steiner - in my permaculture favourite place, Middlewood near Lancaster where I've spent sometime, a Steiner school has been ran there since the 60s. Both design for sustainability, ecology and care of the earth and it's people. HTH |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: No, it isn't, as Fran just pointed out. Yes it is. There's lots of similarities which I have pointed out to you and others that I haven't. Permaculture is not based on Steiner or his theory of anthroposophy. 'Based' is not the word I should have used. I should have said influenced. Explain to me why so many permies that I know, and I know quite a few, do regard Steiner's research as a positive addition to the permaculture movement? Pc was developed in Australia by Mollison and Holmgren. Yes, that's right. It would be hard to imagine two people less interested in fairies, angels devas, auras and the occult. But then again from someone who thinks she knows what people think, you ought to point out that this is your opinion. My early email pointed out to many similarities but you have, strangely or perhaps not, snip it. |
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"La Puce" wrote in message
Janet Baraclough wrote: No, it isn't, as Fran just pointed out. Yes it is. There's lots of similarities which I have pointed out to you and others that I haven't. I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Permaculture is not based on Steiner or his theory of anthroposophy. 'Based' is not the word I should have used. I should have said influenced. Nope. I have "Permaculture One" which is the first book produced by Holmgren and Mollison and it is based on Holmgren's thesis. Steiner is not mentioned in the bibliography but a well known Australian farmer and plough designer by the name of P. A. Yeomans is the most mentioned. Other than him, names you may recognise are Ken Kerns, J. I. Rodale and Lawrence Hills. In what is known as the "bible" in Permaculture terms (ie Mollison's book "Permaculture") the reference section mentions people like Fukuoka and Sir Albert Howard but again Steiner is not mentioned, nor does the name appear in the Index.. |
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Farm1 wrote: "La Puce" wrote in message When I started getting interested in Permaculture, my family just compared it to biodynamics - because that's what it is really. It isn't. Permaculturists don't bury cow horns full of cow manure, or practice planting by the moon or use BD 500, or any of the other formulas used by those who follow biodynamics Sorry for the delay - I was away in Danmark and Sweden for a few days and it was a fabulous trip. Yes, permaculture is very close to biodynamics. Both have a base in organic principles but that is about where the similarity ends. I have used planting by the moon for years, but not entirely rigid to the calendar though. Also the philosophy of permies and biodynamics are identical, a holistic and spriritual approach to nature and the human being. Both are based on the research by Steiner Steiner has had nothing to do with the development of Permaculture. Permaculture was originally the idea of Australians Holmgren and Mollison and Bill Mollison and the similarities between Permaculture and Biodynamics are about as similar Islam and Christianity. Both have philosophies and dogma telling adherents how they should conduct their lives but that does not make them identical. |
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Farm1 wrote: I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Erroneous statement! Listen to you. Who do you think you are? You confuse reading books with actually doing something. I've read you on a few forums, notably alt.permaculture a long while ago - I'm sure you are devoted to what you're doing, but please do drop the aggression or I'm not bothering replying to you. Read my second post in this thread - you will then understand where I'm coming from. Also lets mention that you are a great pal of Janet and you will do all you can to be abusive to me. I have made a mistake with a word - if you were that interested you will have forgiven me. But you are more interested with having a conflict with me. Nope. I have "Permaculture One" Yes, you have a couple of books and I have many projects under my belt, lots of fantastic contacts with beautiful people across Europe and a permaculture certificate. When you can talk about what *you* have done, and what *you* have experienced rather than quote from your books and references, then I'll talk with you. |
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Uncle Marvo wrote: You may be forgiven - if I was writing in French I would probably use the wrong word, quite often. But I would know what I meant :-) Hello there Uncle! I always mean what I say and never ever regret a word. If I make a mistake I apologise. If I have made a mistake on purpose there's usually a smile next to it. I'm really not complicated. I've been writting a lot of French recently and I'm a bit muddled atm. Blimey ... these wimmin ... cob webs I tell you ;o) |
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"La Puce" wrote Farm1 wrote: I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Erroneous statement! Listen to you. Who do you think you are? You confuse reading books with actually doing something. I've read you on a few forums, notably alt.permaculture a long while ago - I'm sure you are devoted to what you're doing, but please do drop the aggression or I'm not bothering replying to you. Farm1 wrote nothing that was either aggressive or abusive - unlike yourself. -- Sue |
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"La Puce" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote: I haven't seen any post where you mentioned similarities. I've seen one post where you made an erroneous statement but none where you mentioned any specific similarities. Erroneous statement! Listen to you. Who do you think you are? You clearly don't want to admit it but you DID make erroneous statements. And you have been told this by 3 people. Biodynamics is based on the work of Steiner: Permaculture is not. And since you ask (in what many people would consider to be an offensive manner) "who I think I am", then I'll tell you that I think, and know, that I am someone who knows the difference between Biodynamics and Permaculture. Both have an organic focus but Permaculture is not based on the work of Steiner and nor do Permaculturalists rely on the various Formula 500-508 and other techniques that the Biodynamics adherants do. You confuse reading books with actually doing something. I thought that explaining to you in a manner that would enable you to check on what I say might help you to clear up your misunderstanding. I can see now that I was wrong to try to give you facts. You have a particular view and being given the facts and thus being able to check them doesn't appear to matter to you. I've read you on a few forums, notably alt.permaculture a long while ago - I'm sure you are devoted to what you're doing, but please do drop the aggression or I'm not bothering replying to you. I have also read you here. I've also read you when you very nastily chose to stalk Janet into another ng where she posted. You have acted offensively, aggressively and very nastily in other places. A real case of pot, kettle black. Read my second post in this thread - you will then understand where I'm coming from. Also lets mention that you are a great pal of Janet and you will do all you can to be abusive to me. Janet and I have posted in a number of differing ngs for years. I've found her to be straight down the line. No dissembling or lying. If I recall correctly, you were treated aggressively and abusively by all decent and normal residents of that other newsgroup when you deliberately and nastily chose to stalk Janet. I consider it ill manners at the very least to stalk anyone either in the flesh or by way of the internet. Such behaviour deserves a certain amount of aggression in response as that is the only mechanism open in this la-la land of the ether. It's the only form of moderation of appalling behaviour that is available. You made the choice to stalk someone and got what you deserve. I have made a mistake with a word - if you were that interested you will have forgiven me. But you are more interested with having a conflict with me. You didn't merely make a mistake with a word. You made erroneous statements. You may not have understood or been confused but if given facts in a response and you can then check those facts for yourself and you see this as aggression, then so be it. Nope. I have "Permaculture One" Yes, you have a couple of books and I have many projects under my belt, lots of fantastic contacts with beautiful people across Europe and a permaculture certificate. When you can talk about what *you* have done, and what *you* have experienced rather than quote from your books and references, then I'll talk with you. Well that excuse saves you from having to check your understanding of the topic but it doesn't enhance your reputation for being accurate or correct. |
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Sue wrote: Farm1 wrote nothing that was either aggressive or abusive - unlike yourself. And you always seem to pop in for an argument. Where have I been abusive to Farm1? I recall her being very abusive to me in February to defend her mate, as she always does, and trying for another go. That's what I am seeing. Keep out of it Sue. You are invivted to Sacha's tea party - don't worry - so let me be. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: (rubbish as usual) I don't remember you replying to my post about Irvine Bay. You are always there to contradict people, even the job that they have, their feelings, experience - you just don't beleive them, feeling secured behind your screen, but when it comes to facing facts you are not too clever. I'll be in Irvine Bay on the 2nd November at the Big Idea. That's your district isn't it. Let's see if you have the guts to actually face the people who you tear apart on the net. Lets see once and for all if you can face me, face my colleagues, my husband, my work and lets bring proof about who I am, you who called me a troll within 2 posts. Then Janet, you can say what you want - you will have reasons to do. |
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"La Puce" wrote in message
Sue wrote: Farm1 wrote nothing that was either aggressive or abusive - unlike yourself. And you always seem to pop in for an argument. Where have I been abusive to Farm1? I recall her being very abusive to me in February to defend her mate, Was it in February when you went stalking Janet? If it was in February, then I probably was abusive, but then I don't like stalkers. I'll be abusive to anyone who stalks ANYONE and especially if they deliberately come as an abusive and nasty stranger into a newsgroup where the person being stalked has been a long term, well known poster. Either way, whether I was abusive in another forum or not, it is irrelevant to this topic . It does not change the fact that you made erroneous statements here and are not prepared to take note that there are 3 other people who disagree with your erroneous statements. |
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Farm1 wrote: You clearly don't want to admit it but you DID make erroneous statements. And you have been told this by 3 people. Yes, and who are these 3 people but the same ones who go on at me at every opportunity? Is it a crime to say the wrong word? I have said that I shouldn't have used the word 'based'. Why do you persist on going on and on about it? Even Uncle pointed out that I had put the wrong word. What do you want me to say? Both have an organic focus but Yes, and that was solely my point. I had also said this to you but you said you didn't see my post. But it seems that you now have. So perhaps you ought to apologise? Permaculture is not based on the work of Steiner and nor do Permaculturalists rely on the various Formula 500-508 and other techniques that the Biodynamics adherants do. No they don't indeed. I have however pointed out to other similarities. The work I did in the permaculture trust in Middlewood Lancaster run a Steiner school since the 60s. This I have seen and it is not the first time that I see Steiner being close to permaculture and biodynamics - because of the ecological similaries. I'm young and excited about all this - and when it comes up I get involved. In France we call biodynamics 'ecology' and we call permaculture 'ecology' because at the root of it all that's what it is and these was my first words in my first post on this thread. I thought that explaining to you in a manner that would enable you to check on what I say might help you to clear up your misunderstanding. Thank you for 'helping me clear up my understanding'. I don't feel that I don't understand. Quoting book's references when I am discussing actual experiences in permaculture trust, projects and events is not 'helping me' but rather is trying to undermind once again what I know and experience. But thanks again. I have also read you here. I've also read you when you very nastily chose to stalk Janet into another ng where she posted. Thank you. This is very much what I wanted you to come to it. You are having a go at me precisely because of this and not because of the subject at hand. I knew that you had ulterior motives. It was also pointed out to you on the other ng that if people resorts to having to 'stalk' another poster it's because they are angry. You can go back to your books now. |
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Farm1 wrote: Was it in February when you went stalking Janet? If it was in February, then I probably was abusive, but then I don't like stalkers. Go away back to the farm ng, we don't need another abusive person here. |
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In reply to Farm1 (please@askifyouwannaknow) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : "La Puce" wrote in message Sue wrote: Farm1 wrote nothing that was either aggressive or abusive - unlike yourself. And you always seem to pop in for an argument. Where have I been abusive to Farm1? I recall her being very abusive to me in February to defend her mate, Was it in February when you went stalking Janet? If it was in February, then I probably was abusive, but then I don't like stalkers. I tried stalking La Puce, but I was a week out :-) |
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Sacha wrote: I did not ask you to drag in my name to yet another of your harangues. As I know little about either subject I have nothing useful to contribute. However, I am sorry about this. I thought you had brought up the thread ... Still, I didn't wish to drag you in anything. A simple 'don't drag me' would however be sufficient. You don't need, yet again, drag the conflict even deeper. |
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On 4/10/06 11:45, in article
, "La Puce" wrote: Sacha wrote: I did not ask you to drag in my name to yet another of your harangues. As I know little about either subject I have nothing useful to contribute. However, I am sorry about this. I thought you had brought up the thread ... Still, I didn't wish to drag you in anything. A simple 'don't drag me' would however be sufficient. You don't need, yet again, drag the conflict even deeper. I answered someone else's query with a pointer to a wine grower in Provence. I did NOT enter into the discussion about your information and nor did I raise the matter of an urg meet in this thread. If you use me or my name to pick fights with other people, you may be sure you will be treated in kind. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "La Puce" wrote in message Sue wrote: Farm1 wrote nothing that was either aggressive or abusive - unlike yourself. And you always seem to pop in for an argument. Where have I been abusive to Farm1? I recall her being very abusive to me in February to defend her mate, Was it in February when you went stalking Janet? If it was in February, then I probably was abusive, but then I don't like stalkers. I'll be abusive to anyone who stalks ANYONE and especially if they deliberately come as an abusive and nasty stranger into a newsgroup where the person being stalked has been a long term, well known poster. Either way, whether I was abusive in another forum or not, it is irrelevant to this topic . It does not change the fact that you made erroneous statements here and are not prepared to take note that there are 3 other people who disagree with your erroneous statements. You may assume 4 people, actually it is probably several dozen people but most folk don't really bother with Puce type stuff because it is invariably wrong. Newbies beware- Puce comes with a Health warning. |
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Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote: You may assume 4 people, actually it is probably several dozen people but most folk don't really bother with Puce type stuff because it is invariably wrong. Newbies beware- Puce comes with a Health warning. That is so unfair, untrue and an horrible thing to say. Sacha didn't answer a query. We were talking about gardening by the moon, which I do, which I've described and discussed with others on another thread and it was pleasant and fun, but rather than joining in the conversation she started another thread on the same topic. I am indeed sorry to have brought her into this thread - but to say that all I say is wrong is really unfair. It is indeed strange that when I'm right, for example giving the thread about apple disease, I had got a few posts saying that it was rather strange because they're books didn't say so. As soon as Des agreed with me, nobody responded. And this has happened many time. We all have different ways of doing things and from the start some of you have given me grief because I perhaps don't describe as well as some of you, given that english is my second language. Though I have never left this bother me. I know what I mean ( ref. Uncle). I've responded accordingly - defended my position when needed - made some friends and infuriated others. But it's irrelevant now. I've had enough so good bye. |
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"La Puce" wrote in message ups.com... I've had enough so good bye. I bet the net nannies and 'owners' are happy now :-(( Why don't you start a uk.rec.gardening.moderated so you can have "COMPLETE" control? Just think, no nasty people to say things YOU don't want to hear :-((( Mike |
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"Sacha" wrote in message
... On 4/10/06 11:45, in article , "La Puce" wrote: Sacha wrote: I did not ask you to drag in my name to yet another of your harangues. As I know little about either subject I have nothing useful to contribute. However, I am sorry about this. I thought you had brought up the thread ... Still, I didn't wish to drag you in anything. A simple 'don't drag me' would however be sufficient. You don't need, yet again, drag the conflict even deeper. I answered someone else's query with a pointer to a wine grower in Provence. I did NOT enter into the discussion about your information and nor did I raise the matter of an urg meet in this thread. If you use me or my name to pick fights with other people, you may be sure you will be treated in kind. -- Sacha South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ Certainly needed to keep the nasties out. uk.rec.gardening.moderated |
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from "La Puce" contains these words: Path: master.news.zetnet.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!feeder .news-service.com!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.germany.com!p ostnews.google.com!m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com!no t-for-mail From: "La Puce" Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening Subject: Biodynamics Date: 4 Oct 2006 02:49:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: .com References: om om .com .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.208.111.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1159955361 3309 127.0.0.1 (4 Oct 2006 09:49:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:49:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; InfoPath.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.208.111.159; posting-account=WuKRlAwAAAAbQjsIxxkK8CzTG1S42i2D Xref: master.news.zetnet.net uk.rec.gardening:358007 Janet Baraclough wrote: (rubbish as usual) I don't remember you replying to my post about Irvine Bay. You are always there to contradict people, even the job that they have, their feelings, experience - you just don't beleive them, feeling secured behind your screen, but when it comes to facing facts you are not too clever. I'll be in Irvine Bay on the 2nd November at the Big Idea. That's your district isn't it. Let's see if you have the guts to actually face the people who you tear apart on the net. Lets see once and for all if you can face me, face my colleagues, my husband, my work and lets bring proof about who I am, you who called me a troll within 2 posts. Then Janet, you can say what you want - you will have reasons to do. ? Janet |
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:42:09 +0100, "Mike" wrote:
Certainly needed to keep the nasties out. uk.rec.gardening.moderated Does anyone actually know how to start a moderated group? |
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Bill wrote:
Does anyone actually know how to start a moderated group? It is hardly different from starting a normal one: http://www.usenet.org.uk/guidelines.html#guidelines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgro...ted_newsgroups |
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"La Puce" wrote Sue wrote: Farm1 wrote nothing that was either aggressive or abusive - unlike yourself. And you always seem to pop in for an argument. You're arguing; I was commenting on your twisting of thefacts, as you were maligning another poster. Where have I been abusive to Farm1? In the post I replied to. I recall her being very abusive to me in February to defend her mate, as she always does, and trying for another go. That's what I am seeing. And I recall you were the one following someone around Usenet in order to insult them. The thread is archived. If you got singed it was you who lit the fire. Keep out of it Sue. Hard luck. This is a public newsgroup and you don't get a veto on who comments. I've read URG for a long time and if you cry victim, putting a twisted spin on someone else's words yet again, then I have the right to contradict you. The way you've behaved here from the outset is a matter of record, and your version of events here and elsewhere just doesn't wash. -- Sue |
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"Sue" wrote in message reenews.net... I've read URG for a long time -- Sue Someone else wanting uk.rec.gardening.moderated in order to keep the nasties out? I think so Mike |
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"Mike" wrote Someone else wanting uk.rec.gardening.moderated in order to keep the nasties out? I think so You think wrong - as usual. |
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"Sue" wrote in message reenews.net... "Mike" wrote Someone else wanting uk.rec.gardening.moderated in order to keep the nasties out? I think so You think wrong - as usual. Sue please don't be too hard on him /Puce. All groups need the odd buffoons to keep folk on their toes :-) |
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"Sue" wrote in message reenews.net... "Mike" wrote Someone else wanting uk.rec.gardening.moderated in order to keep the nasties out? I think so You think wrong - as usual. Sue please don't be too hard on him /Puce. All groups need the odd buffoons to keep folk on their toes :-) |
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Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote: "Sue" wrote in message reenews.net... "Mike" wrote Someone else wanting uk.rec.gardening.moderated in order to keep the nasties out? I think so You think wrong - as usual. Sue please don't be too hard on him /Puce. All groups need the odd buffoons to keep folk on their toes :-) From the buffon who wrote his post twice? I'll keep you on your toes, Craig, or should I say Ed ... perhaps you could bring Sue to visit alt.sex.stories huh?! I'm sure she'd like to see the double or triple life you have. You're disgusting. |
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"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" writes
You may assume 4 people, actually it is probably several dozen people but most folk don't really bother with Puce type stuff because it is invariably wrong. Newbies beware- Puce comes with a Health warning. In fact, be aware generally that some of us kill file people whose posts we find do not justify the time spent reading them, so silence does not imply agreement with what is posted -- Kay |
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"La Puce" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote: You clearly don't want to admit it but you DID make erroneous statements. And you have been told this by 3 people. Yes, and who are these 3 people but the same ones who go on at me at every opportunity? Is it a crime to say the wrong word? I have said that I shouldn't have used the word 'based'. Why do you persist on going on and on about it? Sorry but that excuse doesn't wash. After saying that you shouldn't have used the word "based" you then said you should have said "influenced" by Steiner and Steiner was not an influence. Odum was. P.A. Yeomans was also and Ken Kern. Even Uncle pointed out that I had put the wrong word. What do you want me to say? I would like you to stop blaming, or dragging in, everyone but yourself. Be responsible for what you write: be accurate and don't lie to excuse yourself. Both have an organic focus but Yes, and that was solely my point. I had also said this to you but you said you didn't see my post. But it seems that you now have. So perhaps you ought to apologise? You never "said" any such thing! You have never even mentioned the word "organic" in this thread. Perhaps you should apologise for continually changing your story? Permaculture is not based on the work of Steiner and nor do Permaculturalists rely on the various Formula 500-508 and other techniques that the Biodynamics adherants do. No they don't indeed. I have however pointed out to other similarities. The work I did in the permaculture trust in Middlewood Lancaster run a Steiner school since the 60s. This I have seen and it is not the first time that I see Steiner being close to permaculture and biodynamics - because of the ecological similaries. I'm young and excited about all this - and when it comes up I get involved. In France we call biodynamics 'ecology' and we call permaculture 'ecology' because at the root of it all that's what it is and these was my first words in my first post on this thread. I can understand you being young and excited about something but that does not excuse a lack of accuracy when called to account for making wrong statements and continuing to compound on those wrong statements. I thought that explaining to you in a manner that would enable you to check on what I say might help you to clear up your misunderstanding. Thank you for 'helping me clear up my understanding'. I don't feel that I don't understand. Quoting book's references when I am discussing actual experiences in permaculture trust, projects and events is not 'helping me' That's a pity. If you actually went away and did some research then you might sound like you know what you are talking about. At the moment you sound like you haven't a clue. I have also read you here. I've also read you when you very nastily chose to stalk Janet into another ng where she posted. Thank you. This is very much what I wanted you to come to it. You are having a go at me precisely because of this and not because of the subject at hand. I knew that you had ulterior motives. My ulterior motive and why I am having a "go" at you, is that you are wrong on this subject and keep making wrong statements but worst of all, you then make up lies to excuse your comments. You can't say that you chose to use the wrong word in choosing "based" on Steiner, when you simply changed the word to "influenced" by Steiner. Steiner isn't part of the "base" or "influence" on Permaculture. It was also pointed out to you on the other ng that if people resorts to having to 'stalk' another poster it's because they are angry. If you are/were angry at Janet then that is your problem and you should have taken it up with her in whichever forum where you first got angry. Other readers on the forum can act as arbiters and how they react to your anger might just let you know if your anger is reasonable or if you are merely being a pillock. Going stalking to another forum where there is already an established community is not aceptable for a number of reasons. You got jumped on and deservedly so and no doubt that just fed your anger. You can go back to your books now. Pity you don't appreciate books. They may be able to teach you something, but I'm not confident of that. |
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