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Janet Baraclough 18-10-2006 04:41 PM

A great loss to urg
 

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.

Janet

Mike 18-10-2006 04:52 PM

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So you will now start uk.rec.gardening.moderated and you would have won. The
gardening newsgroup of your own :-))

Isn't that what you always wanted?

Just think, no nasties. No one you have to say 'Go and look at the FAQ's'

All your own.

You will be very lonely

Mike

--
.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.

Janet




Mary Fisher 18-10-2006 04:56 PM

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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.


I wasn't following that thread but am sorry to read the above.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.


I didn't stand by and say nothing, I wasn't aware of these particular
hostilities (I knew about another but that perpetrator was banned from my
screen).

What I HAVE read, now, on the raspberry thread is seriously disturbing.
There will be more names in my killfile. This won't bring Sacha or Judith
back and I don't know what I could do to help - unless we start another ng
and all of us carefully screen out who we read and answer.

There are always disagreements on newsgroups but what's happened here is
disgraceful. If any action is taken against it or for the others, please let
me know.

Mary



Mike 18-10-2006 05:12 PM

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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

unless we start another ng and all of us carefully screen out who we read
and answer.


Which is what Hubbard always wanted, a newsgroup 'of her own'. She felt that
as she had been here from the year 'dot' and had lessons from Adam, THIS was
her newsgroup.

WRONG

Mike

--
.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com



Nemo 18-10-2006 05:25 PM

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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:56:19 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


What I HAVE read, now, on the raspberry thread is seriously disturbing.
There will be more names in my killfile. This won't bring Sacha or Judith
back and I don't know what I could do to help - unless we start another ng
and all of us carefully screen out who we read and answer.


So don't talk about, do it, set up a little closed coterie for the 3-4
of you, make one of you the moderator and you can all sit around
licking each others backsides in peace.

There are always disagreements on newsgroups but what's happened here is
disgraceful. If any action is taken against it or for the others, please let
me know.


Nobody took much in the way of action anyway. All it needs is a
killfile to ignore posters you can't get on with. If you don't react
or respond they soon get bored. Contrariwise, if you react, shout
them down or disparage their opinions (even if you are right) you just
start a catfight.

Nem





Mike 18-10-2006 05:34 PM

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"David D Stretch" wrote in
message -hctertsdd...
On Wednesday 18 Oct 2006 16:41, Janet Baraclough
) wrote:

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.


I think you should have added "knowingly" in between "who" and "stood by",
but even then, may be people thought it better to not get drawn into a
slanging match or whatever.

For the record, I haven't followed that thread, and the first I knew about
all this was the post I am now responding to. I don't think it is useful
to
attempt to "guilt-trip" us all who have said nothing.

--


Well you are supposed to by one of the kissy kissy friends :-((

However they will soon have their own group :-))

Mike



Chris S 18-10-2006 05:45 PM

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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.

Janet


Some of us make extensive use of killfiles and are therefore unaware of the
aggro - I have no desire to read the nonsense spouted by people whose
opinion means nothing to me. If you killfile someone who then insults you,
the magic thing is you don't know or care. I value Sacha and Janet's
gardening comments.
Chris S



Sally Thompson[_1_] 18-10-2006 05:47 PM

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Top Posting corrected

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:52:18 +0100, Mike wrote
(in article ):

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.



So you will now start uk.rec.gardening.moderated and you would have won. The
gardening newsgroup of your own :-))

Isn't that what you always wanted?



As opposed to the one you obviously want (or deserve), which is
uk.rec.gardening.spiteful.sour.grapes.

I only wish there was a moderated urg.


--
Sally in Shropshire, UK


michael adams 18-10-2006 05:53 PM

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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.

Janet


....

Anyone who posts on Newsgroups for any length of time, should learn
how to set up a kill-file, without necessarily announcing it to the
world.

Attention seekers such as Puce are not going to be made to go away,
simply by virtue of all the regulars simply queuing up and telling
them how obnoxious they are. In fact precisely the opposite. They
know that already, and are being obnoxious on purpose. And they will stoop
to any depths to get a reaction of some kind. The more reaction they
can get, the happier they will be. People like Puce, latch on to people
who are easily wound-up and stick to them like limpets. So long as they
can get a response of any kind.

The only answer to such people is simply to ignore them. And the
only way to be sure of ignoring them, and avoiding the temptation to
have just one more read and get upset all over again, is simply to
killfile them behind their backs.


michael adams

....






Sally Thompson[_1_] 18-10-2006 06:10 PM

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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:56:18 +0100, Martin wrote
(in article ):

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:47:02 +0100, Sally Thompson
wrote:


snip


I only wish there was a moderated urg.


Use a kill file and do your own moderating.


Don't worry, I usually dog. One of the reasons of course why some of us do
not usually respond to bad vibes.





--
Sally in Shropshire, UK



Kate Morgan 18-10-2006 06:27 PM

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I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.

Janet


Not long ago I was involved in a row on another newsgroup and I have no
intention of taking sides and/or getting involved in another one on this
group but I am sorry that Sacha and Janet are leaving and I will most
certainly miss their advice and knowledge :-(

kate

p.k. 18-10-2006 06:34 PM

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michael adams wrote:

The only answer to such people is simply to ignore them. And the
only way to be sure of ignoring them, and avoiding the temptation to
have just one more read and get upset all over again, is simply to
killfile them behind their backs.



Done long ago!

someone have an off list word with Judith and Sacha after they have had a
weekend to cool down.

they and everyone else should just agree to kill file the obnoxious &
aggressive individuals - any form of interaction (even this post!!!!) is an
encouragement to them to continue.

It ain't a urg thing its an internet thing - some people just seem to enjoy
disrupting otherwise friendly and sociable groups by ad hominem attacks.

Chill!

pk



DavePoole Torquay 18-10-2006 06:36 PM

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Janet wrote:
I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.


I was gobsmacked to learn of this. I'm highly selective in the threads
that I read and tend to look at very few. If I see that any are
started or contain 'contributions' from some notorious posters, I
usually leave them well alone and do not return to them. Raspberries do
not fall within spheres of interest for me and it is only your posting
that has caused me to have a look. I then delved further to find other
bits of extreme unpleasantry caused by attacks from the same sources.

It saddens me to see this kind of thing happening on URG. We've had a
few spats in the past, but nothing like this. I've been here for
around 9 or 10 years and always thought of it as a homely place - first
and last call of the day, if you see what I mean. It really has become
sorely tainted by a few malevolent, twisted and utterly nauseous
posters. Incursions from x posters who delight in trying to offend
with foul language and obscenities are another problem. There are
better places to be and that's where I'm going. Bye.


Nemo 18-10-2006 07:57 PM

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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:34:04 +0100, "p.k."
wrote:

The only answer to such people is simply to ignore them. And the
only way to be sure of ignoring them, and avoiding the temptation to
have just one more read and get upset all over again, is simply to
killfile them behind their backs.



Done long ago!

someone have an off list word with Judith and Sacha after they have had a
weekend to cool down.



And tell them to p*ss off and form their own little moderated cat
party so that they smell their own bottoms in peace.

Nemo


Nemo 18-10-2006 07:59 PM

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On 18 Oct 2006 10:36:33 -0700, "DavePoole Torquay"
wrote:

I've been here for
around 9 or 10 years and always thought of it as a homely place - first
and last call of the day, if you see what I mean. It really has become
sorely tainted by a few malevolent, twisted and utterly nauseous
posters. Incursions from x posters who delight in trying to offend
with foul language and obscenities are another problem. There are
better places to be and that's where I'm going. Bye.


Why not stay and help to make it a better place?


Nemm

Gary Woods 18-10-2006 08:36 PM

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Janet Baraclough wrote:

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed,


The best way to deal with hostile people is to ignore them. I missed all
the acrimony, because as soon as a thread wanders off into invectiveland, I
flag it "ignore."
So don't complain that I didn't support people when all I did is refuse to
enter an existing brawl.

Just my US$.02 worth.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Alan Holmes 18-10-2006 09:17 PM

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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.


I was not aware that both of these people have stopped subscribing to URG,
and I have to say I did try to help, the biggest problem was that they did
not just ignore the abuse.

Alan


Janet




Alan Holmes 18-10-2006 09:19 PM

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"Mike" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

unless we start another ng and all of us carefully screen out who we read
and answer.


Which is what Hubbard always wanted, a newsgroup 'of her own'. She felt
that as she had been here from the year 'dot' and had lessons from Adam,
THIS was her newsgroup.

WRONG


How the hell can I killfile this idiot, I can't just put stop Mike, cos
there is another Mike who contributes to nesgroups, who seems to be more
sensible.

Alan



Alan Holmes 18-10-2006 09:21 PM

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"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.

Janet


...

Anyone who posts on Newsgroups for any length of time, should learn
how to set up a kill-file, without necessarily announcing it to the
world.

Attention seekers such as Puce are not going to be made to go away,
simply by virtue of all the regulars simply queuing up and telling
them how obnoxious they are. In fact precisely the opposite. They
know that already, and are being obnoxious on purpose. And they will stoop
to any depths to get a reaction of some kind. The more reaction they
can get, the happier they will be. People like Puce, latch on to people
who are easily wound-up and stick to them like limpets. So long as they
can get a response of any kind.

The only answer to such people is simply to ignore them. And the
only way to be sure of ignoring them, and avoiding the temptation to
have just one more read and get upset all over again, is simply to
killfile them behind their backs.


But, as I've said in another post, how can you killfile someone who uses the
same name as someone else?

Alan



michael adams

...








Alan Holmes 18-10-2006 09:22 PM

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"Nemo" wrote in message
...
On 18 Oct 2006 10:36:33 -0700, "DavePoole Torquay"
wrote:

I've been here for
around 9 or 10 years and always thought of it as a homely place - first
and last call of the day, if you see what I mean. It really has become
sorely tainted by a few malevolent, twisted and utterly nauseous
posters. Incursions from x posters who delight in trying to offend
with foul language and obscenities are another problem. There are
better places to be and that's where I'm going. Bye.


Why not stay and help to make it a better place?


!PLONK!



Nemm




La Puce 18-10-2006 09:23 PM

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Alan Holmes wrote:
How the hell can I killfile this idiot, I can't just put stop Mike, cos
there is another Mike who contributes to nesgroups, who seems to be more
sensible.


Enter the address, not only the name.


K 18-10-2006 09:39 PM

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Alan Holmes writes

"Mike" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...


How the hell can I killfile this idiot, I can't just put stop Mike, cos
there is another Mike who contributes to nesgroups, who seems to be more
sensible.

Your software will sort that out. For example, hitting 'kill' in
turnpike gives the choice of killing author, subject or thread, and if
you choose author, it will kill that specific poster from that specific
address. In other words, I could kill you, but still see posts from
other Alans. Downside is that if you were to start posting from a
different address, I'd have to kill you all over again.
--
Kay

michael adams 18-10-2006 09:43 PM

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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...

"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of

its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left

urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.

Janet


...

Anyone who posts on Newsgroups for any length of time, should learn
how to set up a kill-file, without necessarily announcing it to the
world.

Attention seekers such as Puce are not going to be made to go away,
simply by virtue of all the regulars simply queuing up and telling
them how obnoxious they are. In fact precisely the opposite. They
know that already, and are being obnoxious on purpose. And they will

stoop
to any depths to get a reaction of some kind. The more reaction they
can get, the happier they will be. People like Puce, latch on to people
who are easily wound-up and stick to them like limpets. So long as they
can get a response of any kind.

The only answer to such people is simply to ignore them. And the
only way to be sure of ignoring them, and avoiding the temptation to
have just one more read and get upset all over again, is simply to
killfile them behind their backs.


But, as I've said in another post, how can you killfile someone
who uses the same name as someone else?

Alan


It appears you're posting using Outlook Express.

In the main Oulook Express Window, in the right hand pane click on
any post by the person you want to killfile - open it first to be
sure it's the correct person - although Mike Lyle always shows as
Mike Lyle in any case. Unlike the other character who you want to
kill file.

Then in the menus along the top select [ Message ]

Then in the drop down menu select [ block sender ]

That's it. Job done.

People who use other Newsreaders such as Forte will probably need
to do something similar.


michael adams

....





Bob Hobden 18-10-2006 11:36 PM

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"Janet Baraclough" wrote

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.


I have not followed the "Raspberry " thread and anyway like others around
here I "turn off" at the first sign of personal fighting, life's too short
and too much of a struggle already, so this is the first I've heard of this
tragedy.

The leaving of both Sacha (with Ray in the background too) and Judith will
be a great loss to URG and internet gardening in general, and now Dave Poole
intimates he is going too. How many more experienced and knowledgeable
gardeners are to be driven out, sad day, very sad day.

--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK









michael adams 18-10-2006 11:38 PM

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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...

"Janet Baraclough" wrote

I am extremely sorry to read in the raspberries thread that two of its
most longterm contributors, Judith Lea and Sacha Hubbard have left urg
because they are no longer prepared to tolerate the appalling level of
lies, abuse, and threats made against them.

Those who stood by and said nothing should be ashamed, particularly
those who counted both as friends in real life, or have been the
recipients of their legendary generosity with plants, time and
hospitality.


I have not followed the "Raspberry " thread and anyway like others around
here I "turn off" at the first sign of personal fighting, life's too short
and too much of a struggle already, so this is the first I've heard of

this
tragedy.

The leaving of both Sacha (with Ray in the background too) and Judith will
be a great loss to URG and internet gardening in general, and now Dave

Poole
intimates he is going too. How many more experienced and knowledgeable
gardeners are to be driven out, sad day, very sad day.



All these people who've signalled their intention to leave have
no doubt got plenty of friends on this NewsGroup, who will be happy
to email them I'm sure, once this present pestilence is past.


michael adams

....



--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK











Farm1 19-10-2006 01:04 AM

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"Mike" wrote in message

Which is what Hubbard always wanted, a newsgroup 'of her own'. She

felt that
as she had been here from the year 'dot' and had lessons from Adam,

THIS was
her newsgroup.


You really are a most nasty piece of work. A vinegar mouthed, one
eyed, oxygen thief.



Farm1 19-10-2006 01:08 AM

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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
"Mike" wrote in message


WRONG


How the hell can I killfile this idiot, I can't just put stop Mike,

cos
there is another Mike who contributes to nesgroups, who seems to be

more
sensible.


I've just plonked the moron. The way I did it was lazy and easy was
which is to go to "Messages" at the top of the screen and to then hit
"block sender". I'll see no more crap from him BUT, if there is
another poster who uses the name " then I also
won't see any posts from them either. If I wanted to block only the
nasty Naval Mike then I'd have to go into my proper kill file and
enter more info.



JennyC 19-10-2006 06:21 AM

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"Anne Jackson" wrote
Well, I hope Sacha and Judith reconsider. I'm sure they're made of
sterner
stuff; at least I would hope they are!
AnneJ


Seconded :~)
Jenny



Mike 19-10-2006 08:22 AM

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"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
...


Well, I hope Sacha and Judith reconsider. I'm sure they're made of
sterner
stuff; at least I would hope they are!



Not a case of being made of 'sterner stuff,' if they were they would have
ignored the trouble maker, it's a case of 'owning' the newsgroup. Hubbard
will be back, you mark my words.

Mike
The truth will prevail


--
.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com



Klara 19-10-2006 08:36 AM

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In message , JennyC
writes

"Anne Jackson" wrote
Well, I hope Sacha and Judith reconsider. I'm sure they're made of
sterner
stuff; at least I would hope they are!
AnneJ


Seconded :~)
Jenny

Ditto. As one who only has time (I usually work 12/7...) to leap in and
out on topics that are topical for me at the moment I have little idea
of what brought this about - but I am truly sad that such long-standing,
knowledgeable contributors (some of whom have been of such great help to
me in the past) would consider leaving.
I don't suppose any of them will see this, but I would like to add my
sincere hope that they reconsider.
--
Klara, Gatwick basin

June Hughes 19-10-2006 08:45 AM

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In message , Anne Jackson
writes

Well, I hope Sacha and Judith reconsider. I'm sure they're made of sterner
stuff; at least I would hope they are!

As they appear to have been swapping emails with each other and other
posters saying things about me behind my back, I really couldn't care
less whether they return or not. BTW - that information did not come
from Puce but from one of the posters involved.
--
June Hughes

Mike 19-10-2006 08:48 AM

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"michael adams" wrote in message
...


All these people who've signalled their intention to leave have
no doubt got plenty of friends on this NewsGroup, who will be happy
to email them I'm sure, once this present pestilence is past.


michael adams



Which they should have done a long time ago with their personal and private
kissy kissy messages instead of using this newsgroup as 'their' message
board and discuss property ownership overseas and visiting each other as a
couple of examples along with the continual advert 'for my husband's Garden
Centre' and lush Cream Teas. There was even a plug for the Tea Room and the
books therein a couple of days ago :-((

Mike


--
.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com



FairySnow 19-10-2006 09:35 AM

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"Mike" wrote in message
...
"michael adams" wrote in message
...


All these people who've signalled their intention to leave have
no doubt got plenty of friends on this NewsGroup, who will be happy
to email them I'm sure, once this present pestilence is past.


michael adams



Which they should have done a long time ago with their personal and
private kissy kissy messages instead of using this newsgroup as 'their'
message board and discuss property ownership overseas and visiting each
other as a couple of examples along with the continual advert 'for my
husband's Garden Centre' and lush Cream Teas. There was even a plug for
the Tea Room and the books therein a couple of days ago :-((

Mike


--
.................................................. ........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

And what about your advertisements for your 'shipmates' in every post, and
your boasts about you son in law's Rolls?
This is the first time I have EVER sent a rude message on the internet, but
I am using it to say that you are a nasty, spiteful little man. You have
never contributed anything about gardening, you just use this group to be
rude to people.




Mary Fisher 19-10-2006 10:14 AM

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"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
...

Like you, Mary, I haven't been following that thread. In fact, I've been
too busy in the garden to read the group for some time! (Marvellous
weather for this time of year, isn't it!)


Until today :-(

Although I've had little interaction with Judith, and never did see
eye-to-eye with Sacha, I am nevertheless disturbed to hear that they
have been driven off by one particular poster.... Me, I would have
stayed and slugged it out, but then a good old cat fight never put me
either up or down!


Well, I'd have ignored them - I find that silence is a great put-down :-) In
the distant past Sacha had a spat with me but I let her have the last word
and once that's happened there's nothing more to say, is there?


... I don't think creating another
NG would help, TBH.


I said it without enough thought, my idea was that a new one would enable
the hurt ones to come back with dignity but that we could all start from
scratch and deny offensive posters from our individual screens. On
reflection it's a bit OTT, I think, if people want them back enough they'll
mail them to say so.

Well, I hope Sacha and Judith reconsider. I'm sure they're made of
sterner
stuff; at least I would hope they are!


It's up to them. I suspect that they might be glancing in from time to time
:-)

Mary




Mike 19-10-2006 10:14 AM

A great loss to urg
 
"FairySnow" wrote in message
...

"Mike" wrote in message
...
"michael adams" wrote in message
...


All these people who've signalled their intention to leave have
no doubt got plenty of friends on this NewsGroup, who will be happy
to email them I'm sure, once this present pestilence is past.


michael adams



Which they should have done a long time ago with their personal and
private kissy kissy messages instead of using this newsgroup as 'their'
message board and discuss property ownership overseas and visiting each
other as a couple of examples along with the continual advert 'for my
husband's Garden Centre' and lush Cream Teas. There was even a plug for
the Tea Room and the books therein a couple of days ago :-((

Mike


--
.................................................. ........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

And what about your advertisements for your 'shipmates' in every post, and
your boasts about you son in law's Rolls?
This is the first time I have EVER sent a rude message on the internet,
but I am using it to say that you are a nasty, spiteful little man. You
have never contributed anything about gardening, you just use this group
to be rude to people.




"FairySnow"

A nice new poster :-))

I wonder who you are, popping up in a 'new' disguise????

Hubbard come back already?

:-))

Mike


--
.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com



Mary Fisher 19-10-2006 10:16 AM

A great loss to urg
 

"June Hughes" wrote in message
...
In message , Anne Jackson
writes

Well, I hope Sacha and Judith reconsider. I'm sure they're made of
sterner
stuff; at least I would hope they are!

As they appear to have been swapping emails with each other and other
posters saying things about me behind my back, I really couldn't care less
whether they return or not.


Yes, people should be very careful in this as well as in real life.

On sharing secrets: Thy friend has a friend, thy friend's friend has a
friend ...

Mary
--
June Hughes




Mary Fisher 19-10-2006 10:18 AM

A great loss to urg
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


The leaving of both Sacha (with Ray in the background too) and Judith will
be a great loss to URG and internet gardening in general, and now Dave
Poole intimates he is going too. How many more experienced and
knowledgeable gardeners are to be driven out, sad day, very sad day.


Well, as a very wise man once said to me, on his resignation, "Mary, the
graveyards are full of indispensable people ... "

Mary



FairySnow 19-10-2006 11:12 AM

A great loss to urg
 

"Mike" wrote in message
...
"FairySnow" wrote in message
...

"Mike" wrote in message
...
"michael adams" wrote in message
...


All these people who've signalled their intention to leave have
no doubt got plenty of friends on this NewsGroup, who will be happy
to email them I'm sure, once this present pestilence is past.


michael adams


Which they should have done a long time ago with their personal and
private kissy kissy messages instead of using this newsgroup as 'their'
message board and discuss property ownership overseas and visiting each
other as a couple of examples along with the continual advert 'for my
husband's Garden Centre' and lush Cream Teas. There was even a plug for
the Tea Room and the books therein a couple of days ago :-((

Mike


--
.................................................. ........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

And what about your advertisements for your 'shipmates' in every post,
and your boasts about you son in law's Rolls?
This is the first time I have EVER sent a rude message on the internet,
but I am using it to say that you are a nasty, spiteful little man. You
have never contributed anything about gardening, you just use this group
to be rude to people.




"FairySnow"

A nice new poster :-))

I wonder who you are, popping up in a 'new' disguise????

Hubbard come back already?

:-))

Mike


--
.................................................. ........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com


I have been reading this group for six months and I have learned a lot from
Sacha and Judith. I have learned nothing at all from you except how rude and
spiteful you are. If you know anything about gardening you certainly haven't
shown it or helped anyone. You accused Sacha of advertising and showing off,
but that is exactly what you do with every post and you failed to deny it
because you can't.
I will look at this group again in a few weeks to see if it has improved,
but until then you will not hear from me again. You really are a nasty,
nasty piece of work. I expect you are cruel to animals too.





Mike in Spain 19-10-2006 03:45 PM

A great loss to urg
 


On Oct 18, 6:45 pm, "Chris S"
wrote:
JanetSome of us make extensive use of killfiles and are therefore unaware of the

aggro - I have no desire to read the nonsense spouted by people whose
opinion means nothing to me. If you killfile someone who then insults you,
the magic thing is you don't know or care. I value Sacha and Janet's
gardening comments.
Chris S


I hadn't read that file, and still haven't, but I feel that URG has
lost two of it's most valuable contributors. I have always felt that
they were very free with their help and advice, and yes they didn't
suffer fools gladly, but then again who does.

Mike (nothing to do with the navy)


Brian Watson 19-10-2006 07:55 PM

A great loss to urg
 

"Klara" wrote in message
...
In message , JennyC
writes

"Anne Jackson" wrote
Well, I hope Sacha and Judith reconsider. I'm sure they're made of
sterner
stuff; at least I would hope they are!
AnneJ


Seconded :~)
Jenny

Ditto.


Trust me on this one. They'll be back.

I have NEVER known anyone say they are leaving a newsgroup and then not
return.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they have already read this.
--
Brian




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