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I had no idea Judith was going to post tonight. But I am very glad she has
because she has exposed the malice directed at the very heart of her life and career. And I would like just to say this - while I have every sympathy with those who kill file persistent cross posting and off topic trolls, I would also like to point out that many of those who emailed me and Judith about what was done to her said they didn't know about it because they had kill filed Puke. I understand their reasons for doing so and I sympathise with their impatience with her methods but she, Puke, DID come here purporting to give gardening advice. As a result of that, she should have been read and watched when it became apparent that much of what she wrote was not good advice at all. IMO, the group and all those asking advice of it, deserve the vigilance of everyone posting here. A very few of us adhered to that and as a result, we received a horrible amount of abuse and Judith was subjected to a torrent of it. If you - all of us - want this to be a real group we ALL have to look after it. We ALL have to make sure it is not abused by *anyone*. I am not interested in garden machinery or growing leeks but I did, at least, skim every thread to see what was going on. If people don't do that, they miss what was being done to Judith and could be done to others. Sorry but that won't do. A couple of years ago, a very valuable poster to this group remarked that people were coming here, taking what they wanted and otherwise contributing nothing. She predicted then that this would damage urg and I admit freely that I thought she was exaggerating. I was wrong and she was right and she is another who has gone, as have several other real experts. That "Pull up the ladder Jack, I'm alright" outlook was why Judith was treated so appallingly. Afterwards, several people expressed their private regrets to me in emails but too late. URG has been horribly tainted by this closing of the eyes to what does not affect the individual and it seems to me that it should never be allowed to happen again. IMO, the lesson to be learned from this is that if you kill file over zealously, you lose the thread - literally - and then, you lose the group. If you're a member of a group, then I think it is up to you to make sure the group remains healthy. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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I disagree. if those involved all kill file the "perpetrator" the nasty
threads die off. if those not involved don't kill file the nasty threads die off naturally and so the group remains. I am afraid to say that it does seem as though some people have too much time on their hands. and rather than letting go of a situation it snow balls. everyone is different and is able to make the choice themselves. personally I have nowt against La Puce. if we have words in the future then that is up to me to take whatever action I feel appropriate. until then all the retaliatory e-mails backwards and forwards from those concerned and those butting in are meaningless. I am big enough and old enough to decide what I post. I also take what I can from this NG. why? because I have nothing to contribute to gardening. why? because I am trying to learn and I am not in a position to provide useful advice. "Sacha" wrote in message ... I had no idea Judith was going to post tonight. But I am very glad she has because she has exposed the malice directed at the very heart of her life and career. And I would like just to say this - while I have every sympathy with those who kill file persistent cross posting and off topic trolls, I would also like to point out that many of those who emailed me and Judith about what was done to her said they didn't know about it because they had kill filed Puke. I understand their reasons for doing so and I sympathise with their impatience with her methods but she, Puke, DID come here purporting to give gardening advice. As a result of that, she should have been read and watched when it became apparent that much of what she wrote was not good advice at all. IMO, the group and all those asking advice of it, deserve the vigilance of everyone posting here. A very few of us adhered to that and as a result, we received a horrible amount of abuse and Judith was subjected to a torrent of it. If you - all of us - want this to be a real group we ALL have to look after it. We ALL have to make sure it is not abused by *anyone*. I am not interested in garden machinery or growing leeks but I did, at least, skim every thread to see what was going on. If people don't do that, they miss what was being done to Judith and could be done to others. Sorry but that won't do. A couple of years ago, a very valuable poster to this group remarked that people were coming here, taking what they wanted and otherwise contributing nothing. She predicted then that this would damage urg and I admit freely that I thought she was exaggerating. I was wrong and she was right and she is another who has gone, as have several other real experts. That "Pull up the ladder Jack, I'm alright" outlook was why Judith was treated so appallingly. Afterwards, several people expressed their private regrets to me in emails but too late. URG has been horribly tainted by this closing of the eyes to what does not affect the individual and it seems to me that it should never be allowed to happen again. IMO, the lesson to be learned from this is that if you kill file over zealously, you lose the thread - literally - and then, you lose the group. If you're a member of a group, then I think it is up to you to make sure the group remains healthy. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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Sacha wrote: I had no idea Judith was going to post tonight. But I am very glad she has because she has exposed the malice directed at the very heart of her life and career. She wrote to my company first. What about my colleagues? What do you think they thought? Don't you think I was ambarassed? But you led Judith to this. You encouraged her. And now you are trying to make me sound evil again. I will not let you. Puke, DID come here purporting to give gardening advice. It's Puce, with a 'c'. I'm not purporting anything. You are jealous and bitter. Why don't you just kill file me? As a result of that, she should have been read and watched when it became apparent that much of what she wrote was not good advice at all. Post your proof. I am not interested in garden machinery or growing leeks I am and many others do. If you're a member of a group, then I think it is up to you to make sure the group remains healthy. Good idea. Just contribute your gardening advices which are respected and enjoyed by many and stop leading lonely women to battles they can't fight. |
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La Puce wrote: Good idea. Just contribute your gardening advices which are respected and enjoyed by many and stop leading lonely women to battles they can't fight. Are you lonely? I have a very full life, one that you can only be jealous of; and battles,? you mean lies, I can fight these very well - bring it on! |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... If you - all of us - want this to be a real group we ALL have to look after it. We ALL have to make sure it is not abused by *anyone*. Unfortunately that's simply not possible. Not in the way that you suggest at least. Anyone is free to post on unmoderated NewsGroups. And there are countless loonies and malcontents out there in Cyberspace who are quite capable of being as disruptive as they like, anywhere they like, just for the sake of it. Given the chance. These people thrive on generating a response. Which is why its impossible to argue with them, either singly or collectively as a group. The more response they generate, of any kind, the happier they will be. The first objective of all such people is to get the regulars arguing among themselves. If only arguing about the best way to deal with the trolls. Plus different posters taking it in turn to "take on" the trolls. This never works. And it is this form of response which floods the NewsGroup with off-topic material, rather than the trolls themselves which has totally destroyed certain NewsGroups in the past. It's by allowing the trolls and malcontents to become established on NewsGroups, by acknowledging their very existence, which creates the atmosphere which causes others to leave. Killfiling or at least not responding to such people, who have limitless time at their disposal it would seem, coupled with an ability to wind people up, by telling bare faced lies about them if necessary, is the only answer IMHO. michael adams .... -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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"Sacha" wrote in message
And I would like just to say this - while I have every sympathy with those who kill file persistent cross posting and off topic trolls, (snip) I understand their reasons for doing so and I sympathise with their impatience with her methods but she, Puke, DID come here purporting to give gardening advice. As a result of that, she should have been read and watched when it became apparent that much of what she wrote was not good advice at all. Puke was watched Sacha. Her lack of knowledge became evident fairly quickly. You know she didn't like it when called to account either, but what happened - she is STILL here and the best and brightest left. And that was the worst thing to happen in this ng. The most knowledge and experienced of UK gardening CHOSE to leave. Deliberately chose! Puke is/was an irritant and very hard on the blood pressure long term but killfiling her and remaining here would at least give those who don't know that she often talks through her hat a chance to get some correct advice. What use is leaving the field and letting the inexperienced think that Puke is the peak of UK gardening knowledge? That's just akin to cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. And I'm so pleased to see who has posted in this thread. The frustration for you lot lurking must have been appalling. I'd hoped you lot were all lurking and hoped too that you'd eventually be tempted to return. Won't you please all come back now? Pretty, pretty please? |
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On 17/11/06 06:33, in article
, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message And I would like just to say this - while I have every sympathy with those who kill file persistent cross posting and off topic trolls, (snip) I understand their reasons for doing so and I sympathise with their impatience with her methods but she, Puke, DID come here purporting to give gardening advice. As a result of that, she should have been read and watched when it became apparent that much of what she wrote was not good advice at all. Puke was watched Sacha. Her lack of knowledge became evident fairly quickly. You know she didn't like it when called to account either, but what happened - she is STILL here and the best and brightest left. If everyone who objected to her behaviour - and I do mean *everyone* - had both sat on her firmly as soon as she started her misleading, lying, insulting and swearing behaviour, we might not have lost those people. And if all those who objected to her manner of posting had complained to her ISP, she might have had a halt put in her gallop at the very least. Puke is here because two or three people at most are responding to her. The group is now reduced to a mere handful of posters, so she will take hold of it and turn it to her own personal tastes and that will be because she is allowed to do so by those who permit her to do it. And that was the worst thing to happen in this ng. The most knowledge and experienced of UK gardening CHOSE to leave. Deliberately chose! I chose to leave because I was absolutely disgusted at the treatment meted out of Judith, the filthy language and insults to someone who never, herself, behaves that way and the lies told about her by a proven liar. And a major contributing factor in my decision to leave was the fact that those who know Judith, like her and have been either RL or cyber friends of hers for years, described that piece of newsgroup terrorism as a catfight or nothing to do with them or stupid women who should be kill filed. That was a disgraceful way to treat Judith and it was cruel and unkind. Puke is/was an irritant and very hard on the blood pressure long term but killfiling her and remaining here would at least give those who don't know that she often talks through her hat a chance to get some correct advice. What use is leaving the field and letting the inexperienced think that Puke is the peak of UK gardening knowledge? That's just akin to cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. As I said when I left, urg will get the group it deserves. If the majority sit back and allow Puke to post her garbage and loftily dissociate themselves from it, then they are tacitly encouraging her to believe she can do it. And I'm so pleased to see who has posted in this thread. The frustration for you lot lurking must have been appalling. I'd hoped you lot were all lurking and hoped too that you'd eventually be tempted to return. Won't you please all come back now? Pretty, pretty please? For myself, I've looked in from time to time but haven't been reading the group every day. I've had a good deal of email chat with past and some present members, which is heartening in itself. I'm saddened to see how quiet urg has become and that the past friendliness and banter has all but disappeared but as to returning full time, I don't want to post in a group where people close their eyes to what Puke is doing and pretend her treatment of Judith and others and her ruination of the group as a whole, is nothing to do with them. Thank you for your response and I'd be grateful if you'd email me. Remove the 'weeds'. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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On 17/11/06 11:43, in article
gum-hctertsdd, "David D Stretch" wrote: On Friday 17 Nov 2006 02:06, michael adams ) wrote: [lots of good points] I really do agree with and endorse the points made here. It would be nice if the alternative strategy could work, but I think it will only hasten the slide of urg to _unusability_ if this alternative was adopted. better to ignore and killfile, I think. Hasn't worked too well all this kill filing, has it? This group is down to around ten or so posters, some of whom post only one line "me too" type msgs., some of whom are just irritatingly facetious ALL the time but rarely discuss gardening and some of whom don't know which way is up to plant a bulb. Many bob in from gardenbanter to ask a question and then bob out never to be seen or contribute again. There are about four people posting who actually know anything and most of them specialise in one way or another. There is nobody with the depth and breadth of knowledge of Janet Barraclough or David Poole and Puke has made sure urg has lost them and all that killfiling has allowed her to do it, because none of you spoke up and told her to just shut up. David is a professional plantsman and past nurseryman and Janet might just as well be. The information and knowledge I was able to pass on from my third generation husband who has worked in his own nursery for over 50 years, on a vast range of plants and such things as biological control, is lost, as are the seeds, cuttings and plants I shared around the group. But don't worry, your kill files are in place, so you won't even be aware of what you've lost. And Puke has the lowest possible level of RHS cert. so *that* will see you all okay. The strength of the group is vitiated and for those of us who knew how fabulously valuable it was to all levels of gardener, it has been a tragedy to watch that happen. The *enormous* and incalculable value of this group to those wishing to learn has been stamped out of existence in a few months by the determination of one poster to rid this group of everyone who will not butter her up and who knows more than she does - not difficult, admittedly. And Judith, one of the kindest, nicest, funniest and most genuinely charming of urg's long-standing members has had her job threatened, has been sworn at and insulted on a regular basis (as have Janet and I) and has been almost bullied out of existence by a consummate liar who has echoes of the stalker about her, visiting our place just to be photographed outside it and threatening to pay a visit to Janet in Scotland. Not what I'd chalk up as a major success for a thriving and vibrant newsgroup, personally. What all you kill filers are refusing to wake up to is that urg is already almost unusable because you have lost all the wide range experts and are allowing someone who doesn't know a zillionth of what has been lost, to pass around largely useless advice, to set herself up as a self-appointed expert and to harry or bore still more people off the group while she is stealthily encouraging trolls who are probably also in your kill file. You see none of this going on so are doing nothing to contribute to the health of the group. But hey, it's a newsgroup so it will be what its posters make of it. As we see. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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"Sacha" wrote There are about four people posting who actually know anything and most of them specialise in one way or another. snipped Sacha Right - that's put the rest of us properly in our place hasn't it ?!?!?!?!?!? Janet thinks I'm an uneducated nitwit.......... You think nobody else has any good gardening advice to offer............ DaveP is wisely keeping his head down............. So who's the forth font of all URG knowledge ?? Jenny |
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Anne Jackson wrote: The Puke I just can't place you at all. Why are you so vile in your responses, especially all your posts are nothing others than nasty comments to stir further arguments? Why do you do this? What have I done to you to deserve this? And it's 'La puce'. |
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On 17/11/06 13:30, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote: The message from Sacha contains these words: The group is now reduced to a mere handful of posters, so she will take hold of it and turn it to her own personal tastes and that will be because she is allowed to do so by those who permit her to do it. AND those who chose to leave....the choice was theirs, and they voted with`their feet! DON'T forget that! I haven't disputed it. I'm concerned with what has caused it. The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other trolls, is simply to ignore her. A 'minor irritant' does not try to lose someone their career, it does not 'threaten' to visit people in their homes or drive up to them to be photographed. It does not lie about emails received from or about other people; it does not lose a newsgroup its most valuable members. If you find it impossible to do that, perhaps its best that you all stay away? I can't see that my presence or absence has any interest for you, given your (lack of) gardening input. Others have been kind enough to say otherwise about the absence of all those who have left. And have you seen me, Judith or Janet respond to a gardening post in the last 12 hours, despite requests to stay here and do so? We have posted about Puke's claim that she is not a liar and the fact that kill filing has allowed her to do the damage she has done. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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On 17/11/06 13:37, in article ,
"notme" wrote: On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:07:39 +0100, "JennyC" wrote: "Sacha" wrote There are about four people posting who actually know anything and most of them specialise in one way or another. snipped Sacha Right - that's put the rest of us properly in our place hasn't it ?!?!?!?!?!? Has it? Janet thinks I'm an uneducated nitwit.......... You think nobody else has any good gardening advice to offer............ DaveP is wisely keeping his head down............. So who's the forth font of all URG knowledge ?? Jenny snip I'm sorry to answer Jenny's post on the back of someone else's but I'm not getting her originals. As you have actively encouraged Puke both by emails and on group, I think of you as one of those who made a major contribution to wrecking the place. She said she was leaving until spring and almost immediately returned, welcomed by you with open arms. And David Poole is not just keeping his head down, he told urg he was leaving and he has left. He was absolutely invaluable. Well done, Jenny. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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Sacha wrote: I'm sorry Just keep to this Sacha and carry on living. Please keep breathing. It's a wonderful world out there. You will simply not gain anything with doing what you are trying to do. I have to agree with you that the loss of David is huge - but you are entirely at fault. If you had refrained from being nasty and just stopping at launching others into battles in vain, he wouldn't have left. I am convinced he is as unhappy about the situation as it is about you. |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:33:13 +1100, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow
wrote: And I'm so pleased to see who has posted in this thread. The frustration for you lot lurking must have been appalling. I'd hoped you lot were all lurking and hoped too that you'd eventually be tempted to return. Won't you please all come back now? Pretty, pretty please? Creep. DM -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:55:46 +0000, Sacha wrote:
I'm sorry to answer Jenny's post on the back of someone else's but I'm not getting her originals. As you have actively encouraged Puke both by emails and on group, I think of you as one of those who made a major contribution to wrecking the place. She said she was leaving until spring and almost immediately returned, welcomed by you with open arms. And you said you were leaving. Was that a lie? Get a life. Haven't you got anything to do? If you don't like the news group, stop reading it. It will not die without a vitriol input. DM -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Sacha" wrote snip I'm sorry to answer Jenny's post on the back of someone else's but I'm not getting her originals. Wonder how many killfiles I'm in "~) Jenny |
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"Anne Jackson" wrote in message ... The message from Sacha contains these words: The group is now reduced to a mere handful of posters, so she will take hold of it and turn it to her own personal tastes and that will be because she is allowed to do so by those who permit her to do it. AND those who chose to leave....the choice was theirs, and they voted with`their feet! DON'T forget that! I didn't see the post which contained a comment about a handful of posters but there are far more than that! The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other trolls, is simply to ignore her. Quite. If you find it impossible to do that, perhaps its best that you all stay away? I agree. Not that my word means anything :-) Mary -- AnneJ (If you don't like it, you can Foscar Oxtrot) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... What all you kill filers are refusing to wake up to is that urg is already almost unusable It's almost unusable, only because some former members have allowed themselves to be driven off by a troll. You cannot beat a determined troll on Usenet, except by ignoring them. As to people contacting other poster's employers. This situation isn't unique to this newsgroup. However no employer with any sense, would ever pay heed to anonymous tittle-tattle from people they don't even know, about one of their own trusted employees. It really is as simple as that. If what is being said amounts to outright lies, then if requested the employer can be required to make copies of any such correspondence available for the wronged party to start civil proceedings for libel if they so wish. If the intention is clearly to cost that person their job, then this will hardly go down very well with any jury, I'd imagine. If they persist in this behaviour, but just in the form of non-libellous tittle-tattle then they can possibly be forced to desist on pains of the Police being informed, and their being charged with committing a nuisance. Private emails aren't Usenet and always leave an unambiguous audit trail. Something which people can be inclined to forget. As to trolls posting misleading answers on the group. If sufficient contributors post the correct answer, ideally with some sort of external reference which the OP can confirm for themselves, then the trolls rubbish can be drowned out. Again without any need to actually address the troll. Arguing with trolls about the content of their answers, again only gives them a pretext to start further arguments. It's coming up to Christmas, and so I'd imagine posts from new gardeners requesting information might possibly drop off in any case. Except for frost related and Christmas present related questions at least. michael adams .... -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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"judith lea" wrote in message oups.com... La Puce wrote: Good idea. Just contribute your gardening advices which are respected and enjoyed by many and stop leading lonely women to battles they can't fight. Are you lonely? I have a very full life, one that you can only be jealous of; and battles,? you mean lies, I can fight these very well - bring it on! Judith, please, please, please do not encourage her, she is just bitter and twisted, it is not worth the bother. Alan |
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"michael adams" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message ... If you - all of us - want this to be a real group we ALL have to look after it. We ALL have to make sure it is not abused by *anyone*. Unfortunately that's simply not possible. Not in the way that you suggest at least. Anyone is free to post on unmoderated NewsGroups. And there are countless loonies and malcontents out there in Cyberspace who are quite capable of being as disruptive as they like, anywhere they like, just for the sake of it. Given the chance. But if you killfile them they do not get a responce and go away, it may take a while, but if you have not read their contributions they will just shut up. These people thrive on generating a response. Which is why its impossible to argue with them, either singly or collectively as a group. But, if no one reads their comments, there is no need for an arguement, so killfile them now! The more response they generate, of any kind, the happier they will be. Exactly, but if you do not bother to read them that will make them go away to somewhere else and try to drum up squables elsewhere, and we will never, ever have to read their rubbish again. The first objective of all such people is to get the regulars arguing among themselves. If only arguing about the best way to deal with the trolls. Plus different posters taking it in turn to "take on" the trolls. That is the advantage of killfiles! This never works. And it is this form of response which floods the NewsGroup with off-topic material, rather than the trolls themselves which has totally destroyed certain NewsGroups in the past. It's by allowing the trolls and malcontents to become established on NewsGroups, by acknowledging their very existence, which creates the atmosphere which causes others to leave. Killfiling or at least not responding to such people, who have limitless time at their disposal it would seem, coupled with an ability to wind people up, by telling bare faced lies about them if necessary, is the only answer IMHO. Exactly! Alan michael adams ... -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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"JennyC" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote snip I'm sorry to answer Jenny's post on the back of someone else's but I'm not getting her originals. Wonder how many killfiles I'm in "~) Not mine, yet, but I'm thinking about it!(:-) Alan Jenny |
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"Anne Jackson" wrote in message ... The message from Sacha contains these words: The group is now reduced to a mere handful of posters, so she will take hold of it and turn it to her own personal tastes and that will be because she is allowed to do so by those who permit her to do it. AND those who chose to leave....the choice was theirs, and they voted with`their feet! DON'T forget that! The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other trolls, is simply to ignore her. Hear, hear, or should that ne here, here! If you find it impossible to do that, perhaps its best that you all stay away? I don't think she should stay away, but she should killfile those few that she finds irritating, and keep up the good work she has given in the past. (If you don't like it, you can Foscar Oxtrot) I wish I'd thought of putting it like that!(:-) Alan |
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"La Puce" wrote in message ups.com... Anne Jackson wrote: The Puke I just can't place you at all. Why are you so vile in your responses, especially all your posts are nothing others than nasty comments to stir further arguments? Why do you do this? What have I done to you to deserve this? And it's 'La puce'. No, it's Puke as in making us sick! Alan |
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"DeeM.entor" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:33:13 +1100, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: And I'm so pleased to see who has posted in this thread. The frustration for you lot lurking must have been appalling. I'd hoped you lot were all lurking and hoped too that you'd eventually be tempted to return. Won't you please all come back now? Pretty, pretty please? Creep. !PLONK! DM -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"La Puce" wrote in message ups.com... Anne Jackson wrote: The Puke I just can't place you at all. Why are you so vile in your responses, especially all your posts are nothing others than nasty comments to stir further arguments? Why do you do this? What have I done to you to deserve this? And it's 'La puce'. And it's !PLONK! |
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Alan Holmes wrote: No, it's Puke as in making us sick! Why do you do this and then try to be friendly with me? Where are your gardening contributions? |
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Alan Holmes wrote: And it's !PLONK! Again?! You must have done this 10 times now. |
Excuse me for asking, what's "kill filing" ?
It is apparent from this thread that "trolling" has been going on - as a newbie, I'm very sorry to hear about that, had quite enough of such rubbish on the ebay forums - and obviously I can't contribute any comments to that, as I don't know the history. I only found this site recently, and it has already proved to be well worth while to me: I do so hope that it doesn't fade away, as I have been looking for some time for a forum in which to share gardening issues. As I said, I don't know the background, but please don't leave me here all alone! |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "La Puce" wrote in message ups.com... Anne Jackson wrote: The Puke I just can't place you at all. Why are you so vile in your responses, especially all your posts are nothing others than nasty comments to stir further arguments? Why do you do this? What have I done to you to deserve this? And it's 'La puce'. No, it's Puke as in making us sick! Weren't you advocating use of kill files to avoid this sort of intemperate exchange? |
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BAC wrote: Weren't you advocating use of kill files to avoid this sort of intemperate exchange? deep sigh And these are peppered everywhere, and have been for some months now. Sometimes I feel I need to do something about it. I mean, it's like a cry for help, don't you think and I'm a good samaritan I am. |
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On 17/11/06 18:11, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote: The message from Sacha contains these words: The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other trolls, is simply to ignore her. A 'minor irritant' does not try to lose someone their career, it does not 'threaten' to visit people in their homes or drive up to them to be photographed. It does not lie about emails received from or about other people; it does not lose a newsgroup its most valuable members. Well, she hasn't attempted to lose ME my job, nor to visit ME on her way to Janet's.....so WHY have YOU been the objects of her attention and *I* haven't? Could it be that I have, to a greater or lesser degree, ignored her? I think what is overlooked here is that at varying times and in varying degrees, we - that is Judith, Janet and I - have ignored her, too. But, not unreasonably, I think, we objected to someone not only giving bad or dodgy gardening advice but then resorting to horrible language and personal insult on a tiresomely regular basis, when that advice was queried or corrected. Everyone has a breaking point in terms of that kind of abuse, Anne and we were getting that kind of flak on a daily basis with nobody else standing u and saying 'enough'. I don't know if Puke knows what your job is but she did know what Judith's is. I am not assailable through a job and neither is Janet, so IMO, Puke decided to 'go for' Judith, whose job is of a very high calibre. IMO, that argues a wicked turn of mind and a viciously spiteful one, too. You should try it! It might even work....instead of giving her the prominence and attention that she so obviously craves.... If you find it impossible to do that, perhaps its best that you all stay away? I can't see that my presence or absence has any interest for you, given your (lack of) gardening input. Who needs MY input, with all the 'experts' that abound here? I know what I want to do in MY garden, and I know how to do it....in other words, I have little to contribute! IOW 'I'm only here for the entertainment'!! Stick around......... ;-)) May I say at this point that - again IMO - everyone has something to contribute, even if they're right at the beginning of their gardening lives, faced with a pile of mud. They can tell us what they want from their garden, how they're enjoying the garden, how urg contributes to that enjoyment, how things turned out for good or ill etc. and that way they encourage the newbies and the oldtimers to feel genuinely involved in the message the group is spreading. And I think too, like a lot of others, that personal gardens, designed and planted for the pleasure of the owner and not the admiration or envy of others, are the most interesting gardens there are. I'd rather see 6 tiny but lovingly planted cottage gardens that some great big thing stiff with running hot and cold parterres. Others have been kind enough to say otherwise about the absence of all those who have left. And have you seen me, Judith or Janet respond to a gardening post in the last 12 hours, despite requests to stay here and do so? Look, Sacha, I was as dismayed as anyone else when you all left, but you did, and nothing I could say or do was going to change your mind! Life is far too short, and 'if only' are the two saddest words there are! That's kind of you and thank you. We have posted about Puke's claim that she is not a liar and the fact that kill filing has allowed her to do the damage she has done. So, basically, you came back to create more hiatus? WHY BOTHER? As my grannie used to say 'a picked spot never heals', so perhaps it's high time you stopped picking this particular spot? Move on, forget all this unpleasantness, or at least put it to the back of your mind! I can't speak for Judith or Janet but I can say for myself that I loathe and detest lies and liars. It is something so fundamental to me that it is extremely hard (for which read just about impossible) to let such behaviour pass. In addition to that, I have a genuine affection for Judith and a very high regard for her. I've met her in RL, we have corresponded over the years, she was incredibly kind to my husband's sister when she was suddenly put into Judith's hospital and I know of other generosity and kindnesses she has shown to others. Judith is a genuinely good person. I am utterly horrified at the attempts that have been made to lose her job for her and the awful way she has been spoken to here. Judith is worth thousands of Pukes but she was abused, insulted and sworn at and very few urglers stood up and said 'enough'. I think that Judith's return yesterday to make clear what had been done to her and my and Janet's support of her is absolutely justified, considering what filth she was battling and I really could not possibly have done anything else. I mean that most genuinely. I had no idea Judith was going to write to urg last night but given the opinion I have of her and have given above, there was no way I could allow her to face the Puke barrage again and alone. Who knows, in a couple of months you might be telling all of uk.f+d exactly _how_ and _what_ to cook....! G Never going to happen! I couldn't afford the legal fees for the food poisoning..... I love reading that group but I swear I put on weight just doing so and there's little I can contribute to it. But Umbria's Italian food posts and others - but those especially - have me drooling. That's my favourite kind of food and if I hadn't met Ray, I was going to go to Italy to do a course such as the ones she runs. What can you do if you marry a man who thinks risotto is the work of the devil? ;-)) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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writes The message from Sacha contains these words: The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other trolls, is simply to ignore her. So, basically, you came back to create more hiatus? WHY BOTHER? As my grannie used to say 'a picked spot never heals', so perhaps it's high time you stopped picking this particular spot? Move on, forget all this unpleasantness, or at least put it to the back of your mind! Who knows, in a couple of months you might be telling all of uk.f+d exactly _how_ and _what_ to cook....! G No way!!:) -- June Hughes |
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Anne Jackson wrote: The message from "Alan Holmes" contains these words: And it's !PLONK! Oh, the power, the power! :o)))) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 17/11/06 18:11, in article , "Anne Jackson" wrote: The message from Sacha contains these words: The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other trolls, is simply to ignore her. A 'minor irritant' does not try to lose someone their career, it does not 'threaten' to visit people in their homes or drive up to them to be photographed. It does not lie about emails received from or about other people; it does not lose a newsgroup its most valuable members. Well, she hasn't attempted to lose ME my job, nor to visit ME on her way to Janet's.....so WHY have YOU been the objects of her attention and *I* haven't? Could it be that I have, to a greater or lesser degree, ignored her? I think what is overlooked here is that at varying times and in varying degrees, we - that is Judith, Janet and I - have ignored her, too. But you are now taking it up again, it would have been far better if you, and Judith and Janet had just ignored her, the trolls always rely upon people responding to them, I'm sure that most of us would prefer that all of you were just to come back and answer sensible posts, and ignore the idiotic ones. But, not unreasonably, I think, we objected to someone not only giving bad or dodgy gardening advice but then resorting to horrible language and personal insult on a tiresomely regular basis, when that advice was queried or corrected. If we are given bad advise, most of us would not tkae any notice of any further 'advice' from that source. Everyone has a breaking point in terms of that kind of abuse, Anne and we were getting that kind of flak on a daily basis with nobody else standing u and saying 'enough'. But you are not ignoring it, you are just encouraging her to continue to irritate you. I can't speak for Judith or Janet but I can say for myself that I loathe and detest lies and liars. We all feel like that, but there comes a time where we have to ignore that sort of post, so please just ignore her posts and concentrate on helping those of us who value your input. Alan |
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"Anne Jackson" wrote in message ... The message from "Alan Holmes" contains these words: And it's !PLONK! Oh, the power, the power! Gives my ego a terrific boost! Alan |
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"Anne Jackson" wrote in message ... The message from Sacha contains these words: And David Poole is not just keeping his head down, he told urg he was leaving and he has left. ....and you know that's not worth a fig! YOU said you were leaving....and here you are! And, hopefully, you will stay. Alan |
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The message from "Alan Holmes" contains these words: And it's !PLONK! Oh, the power, the power! I recall reading somewhere that in a home computer, there was more computer capacity than was used to send Man to the moon. So, thanks to Mr Microsoft, I can now killfile people such as Puke and her encouragers like Uncle Marvo and Dementor and Nasty Mike etc. And I can do so till the cows come home because I have so much bang for my buck on this wee machine. Life is grand, or would be if the frosts would stop. |
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Farm1 wrote: So, thanks to Mr Microsoft, I can now killfile people such as Puke It's La Puce, Fran, try to understand that if you can't understand the rest. |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 17/11/06 18:11, in article , "Anne Jackson" wrote: The message from Sacha contains these words: The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other trolls, is simply to ignore her. A 'minor irritant' does not try to lose someone their career, it does not 'threaten' to visit people in their homes or drive up to them to be photographed. It does not lie about emails received from or about other people; it does not lose a newsgroup its most valuable members. Well, she hasn't attempted to lose ME my job, nor to visit ME on her way to Janet's.....so WHY have YOU been the objects of her attention and *I* haven't? Could it be that I have, to a greater or lesser degree, ignored her? I think what is overlooked here is that at varying times and in varying degrees, we - that is Judith, Janet and I - have ignored her, too. But you are now taking it up again, it would have been far better if you, and Judith and Janet had just ignored her, the trolls always rely upon people responding to them, I'm sure that most of us would prefer that all of you were just to come back and answer sensible posts, and ignore the idiotic ones. But, not unreasonably, I think, we objected to someone not only giving bad or dodgy gardening advice but then resorting to horrible language and personal insult on a tiresomely regular basis, when that advice was queried or corrected. If we are given bad advise, most of us would not tkae any notice of any further 'advice' from that source. Everyone has a breaking point in terms of that kind of abuse, Anne and we were getting that kind of flak on a daily basis with nobody else standing u and saying 'enough'. But you are not ignoring it, you are just encouraging her to continue to irritate you. I can't speak for Judith or Janet but I can say for myself that I loathe and detest lies and liars. We all feel like that, but there comes a time where we have to ignore that sort of post, so please just ignore her posts and concentrate on helping those of us who value your input. Alan Alan -novice gardeners and newbies to the group need to be made aware of things like Puke and the bad advice that she dishes out. If everyone bunged her in a killfile how could anyone warn folk about her, and as Sacha has pointed out if you killfile Puke then you do not see the vitriolic crap she spews out against innocent posters. I agree, not replying to her posts is the best course of action (usually). |
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