On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:12:10 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

If it's illegal, as is reported, why are the police merely handing
out forms to be filled in and returned, telling them where the 'salvaged'
goods have gone? The whole thing is utterly bizarre - why not just close
off the beach until the shipping company's salvage people move in?

one container had the personal effects of a Swedish couple moving to
SA, nice.
--
Mike Reid
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On 23/1/07 11:01, in article ,
"The Reid" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:12:10 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

If it's illegal, as is reported, why are the police merely handing
out forms to be filled in and returned, telling them where the 'salvaged'
goods have gone? The whole thing is utterly bizarre - why not just close
off the beach until the shipping company's salvage people move in?

one container had the personal effects of a Swedish couple moving to
SA, nice.

Oh, that was *awful*. A report said people were seen moving off with family
portraits and obviously personal household effects and there were
photographs lying around on the beach, showing that young couple.
I wonder if the enquiry will show that ship to have been overloaded for the
conditions. I know there's a large chunk of metal hanging underneath but it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
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On 23/1/07 11:01, in article ,
"The Reid" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:12:10 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

If it's illegal, as is reported, why are the police merely handing
out forms to be filled in and returned, telling them where the
'salvaged'
goods have gone? The whole thing is utterly bizarre - why not just
close
off the beach until the shipping company's salvage people move in?

one container had the personal effects of a Swedish couple moving to
SA, nice.

Oh, that was *awful*. A report said people were seen moving off with
family
portraits and obviously personal household effects and there were
photographs lying around on the beach, showing that young couple.
I wonder if the enquiry will show that ship to have been overloaded for
the
conditions. I know there's a large chunk of metal hanging underneath but
it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

Container ships always appear to be overloaded so I guess that this ship
was OK. I have listened to a few of the Maritime lawyers on the box and the
taking of stuff from a beach, which originates from a ship, is clear-cut. I
won't bore you with my interpretation as I am sure it will be well covered
this evening.

Sacha wrote:
Oh, that was *awful*. A report said people were seen moving off with family
portraits and obviously personal household effects and there were
photographs lying around on the beach, showing that young couple.
I wonder if the enquiry will show that ship to have been overloaded for the
conditions. I know there's a large chunk of metal hanging underneath but it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.

What about the oil, the pollution, the sea birds? Can you see anything?
Will it be ok?

On 23 Jan 2007 03:52:29 -0800, "La Puce" wrote:

What about the oil, the pollution, the sea birds? Can you see anything?

I dont think its going to be a major environmental issue. More one of
scumbags taking peoples personal efects from a shipwreck.
--
Mike Reid
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:13:31 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

but it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.

they tend to
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On 23/1/07 12:03, in article ,
"The Reid" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:13:31 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

but it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.

they tend to

As far as I can see, there is little to no freeboard on these ships?

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

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On 23/1/07 12:03, in article ,
"The Reid" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:13:31 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

but it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.

they tend to

As far as I can see, there is little to no freeboard on these ships?

--


You think that all the containers just sit on the deck? :-(((((

Mike

Marine Electrical Design Engineer (Rtd)

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"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 23/1/07 11:01, in article ,
"The Reid" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:12:10 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

If it's illegal, as is reported, why are the police merely handing
out forms to be filled in and returned, telling them where the
'salvaged'
goods have gone? The whole thing is utterly bizarre - why not just
close
off the beach until the shipping company's salvage people move in?

one container had the personal effects of a Swedish couple moving to
SA, nice.

Oh, that was *awful*. A report said people were seen moving off with
family
portraits and obviously personal household effects and there were
photographs lying around on the beach, showing that young couple.
I wonder if the enquiry will show that ship to have been overloaded for
the
conditions. I know there's a large chunk of metal hanging underneath but
it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.

I don't think container ships should have anything on the deck, I'm sure it
adds to the instability.

Alan

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...


I don't think container ships should have anything on the deck, I'm sure
it adds to the instability.

Alan



Well you think wrong. What do you think the roll of 'Naval Architect' is?
and Lloyds and DNV etc etc etc?

Please engage brain before posting stupid statements.

Mike

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Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 23/1/07 11:01, in article ,
"The Reid" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:12:10 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

If it's illegal, as is reported, why are the police merely handing
out forms to be filled in and returned, telling them where the
'salvaged'
goods have gone? The whole thing is utterly bizarre - why not just
close
off the beach until the shipping company's salvage people move in?

one container had the personal effects of a Swedish couple moving to
SA, nice.

Oh, that was *awful*. A report said people were seen moving off with
family
portraits and obviously personal household effects and there were
photographs lying around on the beach, showing that young couple.
I wonder if the enquiry will show that ship to have been overloaded for
the
conditions. I know there's a large chunk of metal hanging underneath but
it
looked very top heavy to the untrained eye.
--

There was something on the radio this morning, all right, yesterday morning
now, to the effect that this ship had been aground before, about six months
ago. That may or may not be true, and may or may not be relevant, but it
brings up the old issue of seaworthiness and flags of convenience.

Steve

On 24/1/07 00:07, in article , "shazzbat"
wrote:

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There was something on the radio this morning, all right, yesterday morning
now, to the effect that this ship had been aground before, about six months
ago. That may or may not be true, and may or may not be relevant, but it
brings up the old issue of seaworthiness and flags of convenience.

Well, at the least it raises the spectre of some careless navigation!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)