Hello all,

I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to plants/gardening hence any
advice appreciated.

Can any 1 out there in cyberspace recommend an evergreen, fast growing,
hardy climber. Flowers would be nice aswell - if such a plant actually
exists.

Ta

In message , Chris
writes
Hello all,

I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to plants/gardening hence any
advice appreciated.

Can any 1 out there in cyberspace recommend an evergreen, fast growing,
hardy climber. Flowers would be nice aswell - if such a plant actually
exists.

Ta



I don't know about recommend, but ivy is evergreen, fairly fast growing,
and has flowers and berries, even if they're not much to shout about
(but they're good for wildlife, or so I'm told).

I inherited some ivy with the house, and I'm finding it too aggressive.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"Chris" wrote...

I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to plants/gardening hence any
advice appreciated.

Can any 1 out there in cyberspace recommend an evergreen, fast growing,
hardy climber. Flowers would be nice aswell - if such a plant actually
exists.

You don't say where abouts you are so some may not do well where you
are...what's hardy for me may not be for you.
Antway, a browse in my books shows.....
Jasminum polyanthum and officinale
Clianthus pumiceus (red or white available)
Trachelospermum jasminoides
Berberidopsis corallina
Mutisia decurrens (can be difficult at first)
There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.
--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

Bob Hobden wrote:
"Chris" wrote...

snip

There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.

Something 'Honey' ?? I've been trying to find it.
--
ßôyþëtë
London, UK

In article , BoyPete
writes
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Chris" wrote...

snip

There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.

Something 'Honey' ?? I've been trying to find it.


Armandii

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On 2 May, 00:22, Janet Tweedy wrote:
In article , BoyPete
writes

Bob Hobden wrote:
"Chris" wrote...

snip

There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.

Something 'Honey' ?? I've been trying to find it.

Armandii

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraphhttp://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

There are several Cotoneasters that would do the job well.
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

In article ,
"Bob Hobden" writes:
| "Chris" wrote...
|
| I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to plants/gardening hence any
| advice appreciated.
|
| Can any 1 out there in cyberspace recommend an evergreen, fast growing,
| hardy climber. Flowers would be nice aswell - if such a plant actually
| exists.
|
| You don't say where abouts you are so some may not do well where you
| are...what's hardy for me may not be for you.

Quite. In the coldest parts of the country, the answer is ivy. There
is no other. I have heard mixed reports about Hedera colchica, but
most varieties of Hedera helix are completely hardy.

| Antway, a browse in my books shows.....
| Jasminum polyanthum and officinale
| Clianthus pumiceus (red or white available)
| Trachelospermum jasminoides
| Berberidopsis corallina
| Mutisia decurrens (can be difficult at first)
| There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.

Sorry, but it is complete nonsense, outside the warmest parts of the
UK. What books were those?

In most places, Clematis armandii is hardy with a little protection
from the wind but it gets iffy beyond that. All of the jasmines and
honeysuckles are either tender or effectively deciduous in what were
normal winters in most of England up until a decade ago. And those
winters may return. Near the south and west coasts and in London,
there is a MUCH longer list.

Sorry, Charlie, but NONE of your list is reliably hardy AND reliably
evergreen in such winters, to my certain knowledge. Except for
L. henryi, which I didn't grow then, but which is said to be slightly
tender by comparison with L. japonica.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Bob Hobden" writes:
| "Chris" wrote...
|
| I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to plants/gardening hence
any
| advice appreciated.
|
| Can any 1 out there in cyberspace recommend an evergreen, fast
growing,
| hardy climber. Flowers would be nice aswell - if such a plant
actually
| exists.
|
| You don't say where abouts you are so some may not do well where you
| are...what's hardy for me may not be for you.

Quite. In the coldest parts of the country, the answer is ivy. There
is no other. I have heard mixed reports about Hedera colchica, but
most varieties of Hedera helix are completely hardy.

| Antway, a browse in my books shows.....
| Jasminum polyanthum and officinale
| Clianthus pumiceus (red or white available)
| Trachelospermum jasminoides
| Berberidopsis corallina
| Mutisia decurrens (can be difficult at first)
| There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.

Sorry, but it is complete nonsense, outside the warmest parts of the
UK. What books were those?

In most places, Clematis armandii is hardy with a little protection
from the wind but it gets iffy beyond that. All of the jasmines and
honeysuckles are either tender or effectively deciduous in what were
normal winters in most of England up until a decade ago. And those
winters may return. Near the south and west coasts and in London,
there is a MUCH longer list.

Sorry, Charlie, but NONE of your list is reliably hardy AND reliably
evergreen in such winters, to my certain knowledge. Except for
L. henryi, which I didn't grow then, but which is said to be slightly
tender by comparison with L. japonica.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In that case the only advice is to move! :~))

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and
Lapageria rosea

In article ,
"Charlie Pridham" writes:
|
| Sorry, Charlie, but NONE of your list is reliably hardy AND reliably
| evergreen in such winters, to my certain knowledge. Except for
| L. henryi, which I didn't grow then, but which is said to be slightly
| tender by comparison with L. japonica.
|
| In that case the only advice is to move! :~))

Well, yes, but the only real problem is wanting them evergreen;
much as with hedges, where there are just two reliably hardy and
reliably evergreen ones that make good hedges: holly and yew.
[ Yes, conifers can be used, but you can't restore them after
serious neglect. ]

I can grow many of the nominally evergreen climbers, but few are
reliably evergreen here. It's not a catastrophic loss.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote after ((SNIP))
"Bob Hobden" replied to:
| "Chris" who wrote...
|
| I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to plants/gardening hence
any
| advice appreciated.
|
| Can any 1 out there in cyberspace recommend an evergreen, fast
growing,
| hardy climber. Flowers would be nice aswell - if such a plant
actually
| exists.
|
| You don't say where abouts you are so some may not do well where you
| are...what's hardy for me may not be for you.

Quite. In the coldest parts of the country, the answer is ivy. There
is no other. I have heard mixed reports about Hedera colchica, but
most varieties of Hedera helix are completely hardy.

| Antway, a browse in my books shows.....
| Jasminum polyanthum and officinale
| Clianthus pumiceus (red or white available)
| Trachelospermum jasminoides
| Berberidopsis corallina
| Mutisia decurrens (can be difficult at first)
| There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.

Sorry, but it is complete nonsense, outside the warmest parts of the
UK. What books were those?

That's why I mentioned about "hardy" being relative to position in the UK.
Most would probably be OK for me unless we have a very cold winter like
years ago, certainly Jasminum is rampant and completely evergreen in
sis-in-laws garden over Hampton way.

--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

In article ,
"Bob Hobden" writes:
|
| That's why I mentioned about "hardy" being relative to position in the UK.
| Most would probably be OK for me unless we have a very cold winter like
| years ago, certainly Jasminum is rampant and completely evergreen in
| sis-in-laws garden over Hampton way.

J. officinale is definitely deciduous throughout most of England, except
for the south, west and London. Bean states that J. polyanthum must
have protection even at Kew. But note that many locations against
houses do count as protection.

You don't need a very cold winter - anything except a very mild one
will cause the effects I am referring to.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

A bit more info.

I have just bought a garden arch which I would like the climber to cover -so
people will be walking through it to get to the back garden (climbing roses
would not be a good idea due to thorns)

I am in North Wales - the arch will be exposed to direct sunlight for most
of the day. I live on the side of a hill, so sometimes there is a gale
howling around the bungalow - so cant be anything too delicate.

Does this narrow it down?

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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"Chris" wrote...

I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to plants/gardening hence any
advice appreciated.

Can any 1 out there in cyberspace recommend an evergreen, fast growing,
hardy climber. Flowers would be nice aswell - if such a plant actually
exists.

You don't say where abouts you are so some may not do well where you
are...what's hardy for me may not be for you.
Antway, a browse in my books shows.....
Jasminum polyanthum and officinale
Clianthus pumiceus (red or white available)
Trachelospermum jasminoides
Berberidopsis corallina
Mutisia decurrens (can be difficult at first)
There is also a Clematis whose name escapes me.
--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

In article ,
"Chris" writes:
| A bit more info.
|
| I have just bought a garden arch which I would like the climber to cover -so
| people will be walking through it to get to the back garden (climbing roses
| would not be a good idea due to thorns)
|
| I am in North Wales - the arch will be exposed to direct sunlight for most
| of the day. I live on the side of a hill, so sometimes there is a gale
| howling around the bungalow - so cant be anything too delicate.
|
| Does this narrow it down?

Yes. If you insist on evergreen, that means ivy. I doubt that any
of the other ones that are evergreen even with you would tolerate
a gale. And, by ivy, I mean Hedera helix.

Several of the honeysuckles will have no problem - Lonicera periclymenum
is native to the uplands of Britain, and has several cultivated
varieties.

Several of the clematis would almost certainly be happy, too (NOT
C. armandii, the evergreen one), but I don't know how well the other
good climbers (wisteria etc.) take wind.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Thanks Nick - and to everyone else who replied. Interesting reading for a
novice like myself.

Hedera helix it is.

Chris
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Chris" writes:
| A bit more info.
|
| I have just bought a garden arch which I would like the climber to
cover -so
| people will be walking through it to get to the back garden (climbing
roses
| would not be a good idea due to thorns)
|
| I am in North Wales - the arch will be exposed to direct sunlight for
most
| of the day. I live on the side of a hill, so sometimes there is a gale
| howling around the bungalow - so cant be anything too delicate.
|
| Does this narrow it down?

Yes. If you insist on evergreen, that means ivy. I doubt that any
of the other ones that are evergreen even with you would tolerate
a gale. And, by ivy, I mean Hedera helix.

Several of the honeysuckles will have no problem - Lonicera periclymenum
is native to the uplands of Britain, and has several cultivated
varieties.

Several of the clematis would almost certainly be happy, too (NOT
C. armandii, the evergreen one), but I don't know how well the other
good climbers (wisteria etc.) take wind.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
"Chris" writes:
|
| Thanks Nick - and to everyone else who replied. Interesting reading for a
| novice like myself.
|
| Hedera helix it is.

You could actually grow both H. helix and Lonicera periclymenum.
Both are as tough as old boots and neither will get strangled by
the other. It's entirely dependent on the effect you want.

Be warned about ivies (including H. helix). The grow in creeper
mode only when vaguely attached to something like a tree trunk.
Once they start flopping free, they turn into "bush ivy" mode
and flower. Campsis is also a bit like that.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.