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Canadian for hollyhock
We had some Canadian visitors yesterday, parents of someone I'd met on a
newsgroup. We were taking them round the garden when they stopped to look at a Lavatera and called it a 'hollyhock' It was an interesting example of how the Latin names do help in these circumstances. But foolishly, I forgot to ask them what Canadians call what we call a hollyhock! Does anyone happen to know? -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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Canadian for hollyhock
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:12:39 +0100, Sacha wrote
(in article ) : We had some Canadian visitors yesterday, parents of someone I'd met on a newsgroup. We were taking them round the garden when they stopped to look at a Lavatera and called it a 'hollyhock' It was an interesting example of how the Latin names do help in these circumstances. But foolishly, I forgot to ask them what Canadians call what we call a hollyhock! Does anyone happen to know? I don't, but have a cousin who lived in Canada many years and is a keen gardener. I will email her and ask her (unless you get a response in the meantime). Back soon! -- Sally in Shropshire, UK Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation churchyard: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
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Canadian for hollyhock
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:31:41 +0100, Sally Thompson wrote
(in article et): On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:12:39 +0100, Sacha wrote (in article ) : We had some Canadian visitors yesterday, parents of someone I'd met on a newsgroup. We were taking them round the garden when they stopped to look at a Lavatera and called it a 'hollyhock' It was an interesting example of how the Latin names do help in these circumstances. But foolishly, I forgot to ask them what Canadians call what we call a hollyhock! Does anyone happen to know? I don't, but have a cousin who lived in Canada many years and is a keen gardener. I will email her and ask her (unless you get a response in the meantime). Back soon! Sacha, here is the answer verbatim from my cousin: Not sure I know the answer to this but a few points: I grew Hollyhocks in Canada and called them Hollyhocks. The shrub version of Lavatera doesn't grow in Ontario - too cold in the winter, but could well be grown in Vancouver. If it does I don't know what they call it, but Lavatera is sometimes called the 'Hollyhock bush' in some English country areas. The flowers are similar. I did grow the bienniel version of Mallow (Lavatera trimestris) and the flowers of some varieties are also very much like the shrub. Common names are very confusing. How's this: I nursed along a Hibiscus in Ontario. It was called Rose of Sharon. Here Rose of Sharon is a form of Hypericum; Hibiscus is sometimes called Mallow and is also called Sun Rose. Cistus is also called Sun Rose as is Helianthumum. Now I'm confused. As you say that's why Latin names are so useful. Not sure if this helps :-) -- Sally in Shropshire, UK Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation churchyard: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
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Canadian for hollyhock
In message , Sacha
writes We had some Canadian visitors yesterday, parents of someone I'd met on a newsgroup. We were taking them round the garden when they stopped to look at a Lavatera and called it a 'hollyhock' It was an interesting example of how the Latin names do help in these circumstances. But foolishly, I forgot to ask them what Canadians call what we call a hollyhock! Does anyone happen to know? Canadians call hollyhocks (Alcea sp, especially Alcea rosea) hollyhocks. I've seen Lavatera's (Lavatera trimestris in that case) called hollyhocks by an Englishman before - and when my grandmother acquired Lavatera x clementii 'Rosea' the name under which she acquired it was Hibiscus. Unless you have reason to believe that they are too familiar with the plants to make a mistake in identification, I'd put it down as an error. Hollyhock is applied to plants outside Alcea; the Australians apply it to a couple of species of Malva (ex Lavatera) and the Americans to some species (at least) of Sphaeralcea and Iliamna. The Canadians might follow the Americans in this. http://www.malvaceae.info/Index/Vern...hp?genus=Alcea http://www.malvaceae.info/Index/Vern...attern=hollyho ck -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Canadian for hollyhock
On 22/7/07 21:39, in article lid, "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote: In message , Sacha writes We had some Canadian visitors yesterday, parents of someone I'd met on a newsgroup. We were taking them round the garden when they stopped to look at a Lavatera and called it a 'hollyhock' It was an interesting example of how the Latin names do help in these circumstances. But foolishly, I forgot to ask them what Canadians call what we call a hollyhock! Does anyone happen to know? Canadians call hollyhocks (Alcea sp, especially Alcea rosea) hollyhocks. I've seen Lavatera's (Lavatera trimestris in that case) called hollyhocks by an Englishman before - and when my grandmother acquired Lavatera x clementii 'Rosea' the name under which she acquired it was Hibiscus. Unless you have reason to believe that they are too familiar with the plants to make a mistake in identification, I'd put it down as an error. Hollyhock is applied to plants outside Alcea; the Australians apply it to a couple of species of Malva (ex Lavatera) and the Americans to some species (at least) of Sphaeralcea and Iliamna. The Canadians might follow the Americans in this. http://www.malvaceae.info/Index/Vern...hp?genus=Alcea http://www.malvaceae.info/Index/Vern...attern=hollyho ck Interesting info, Stewart, thank you. And thanks to Sally, too for enquiring. It was silly of me not to ask them what they'd call a hollyhock! They also called Hebe a Veronica, which was the old name for it, I believe but were surprised to hear it had been re-classified here. Their gardening conditions are challenging, to put it mildly, living as they do, not far from the northern US border with Canada. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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