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Sacha 25-10-2007 01:38 PM

Suttons seeds
 
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



judith.lea 25-10-2007 01:51 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


Really? I wonder why? Better not let Ray and Matthew see it!

Judith


Dave Hill 25-10-2007 03:17 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:

Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v



Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?

David Hill



Broadback 25-10-2007 03:38 PM

Suttons seeds
 
Dave Hill wrote:
On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:

Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v



Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?

David Hill


If the number of emails and snail mail I get from them is anything to go
by they are bankrupt! ;-)

[email protected] 25-10-2007 03:51 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 25 Oct, 15:17, Dave Hill wrote:
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?


:o))

Compare it with it's owner's site, Vilmorin below, and you can quickly
see that Sutton has very much kept to its formal post-war ways of
doing things, but so many things have changed in the world of
gardening since then, they simply are too old. I've never bought from
them. It would be a dream of mine to run a little business like that -
start from scratch and include lots of new things. I'm sure they'll be
ok and hope it's kept in Devon where it's started.

http://www.vilmorin-jardin.fr/


Dave Hill 25-10-2007 07:01 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 25 Oct, 15:51, wrote:
On 25 Oct, 15:17, Dave Hill wrote:

Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?


:o))

Compare it with it's owner's site, Vilmorin below, and you can quickly
see that Sutton has very much kept to its formal post-war ways of
doing things, but so many things have changed in the world of
gardening since then, they simply are too old. I've never bought from
them. It would be a dream of mine to run a little business like that -
start from scratch and include lots of new things. I'm sure they'll be
ok and hope it's kept in Devon where it's started.

http://www.vilmorin-jardin.fr/


Sorry but Suttons seeds started in reading and were there for most of
its existence really interesting read have a look at
http://www.suttons.co.uk/History.htm
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries


Sacha 25-10-2007 07:54 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 25/10/07 15:17, in article
, "Dave Hill"
wrote:

On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:

Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare
cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?

David Hill



Sad, though - end of an era etc.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Sacha 25-10-2007 07:54 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 25/10/07 13:51, in article
, "judith.lea"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare
cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


Really? I wonder why? Better not let Ray and Matthew see it!

Judith


The very thought.......!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



judith.lea 25-10-2007 08:20 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On Oct 25, 7:58 pm, Anne Jackson wrote:
The message from contains these words:

I'm sure they'll be
ok and hope it's kept in Devon where it's started.


Except that it started in Reading, which is in Berkshire...

Hello AnneJ, you always, but always have facts to your fingertips,
does your name begin with Encly...... :-)) Hope everything is o.k.
with you and yours tonight.

Judith


Sacha 25-10-2007 11:51 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 25/10/07 22:39, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from "judith.lea" contains
these words:

On Oct 25, 7:58 pm, Anne Jackson wrote:
The message from contains these words:

I'm sure they'll be
ok and hope it's kept in Devon where it's started.

Except that it started in Reading, which is in Berkshire...

Hello AnneJ, you always, but always have facts to your fingertips,
does your name begin with Encly...... :-)) Hope everything is o.k.
with you and yours tonight.


Sorry to post off-topic, everyone, but I just need to let well-wishers
know that my grandson still has a fever, and is still on antibiotics...


Early days, Anne. He's young and he's resilient. I do feel so deeply for
you - one of my children had to have a major op of a different sort and I'd
have given anything to have had it for them. Your grandson will get there .

You know, Judith, it occurred to me at a recent school reunion that
so much time was wasted at high school because not one of the teachers
managed to awaken in me a love of learning. That didn't come until
much, much later... I sometimes wonder what percentage of teachers
can actually _teach_ and how many merely regurgitate facts?


Ah - gifted teachers. I was lucky in that I had good English and French
teachers early on but absolutely terrible maths teachers. To this day I
can't do or understand Sudoku - it's another language to me and not one to
which I have the key. But because I had good *early* arithmetic teachers, I
can add up at the speed of light!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Sacha 26-10-2007 09:39 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On 26/10/07 04:17, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from Sacha contains these
words:
"Anne Jackson" wrote:
The message from "judith.lea" contains
these words:
On Oct 25, 7:58 pm, Anne Jackson wrote:
The message from contains these words:

I'm sure they'll be ok and hope it's kept in Devon where it's started.

Except that it started in Reading, which is in Berkshire...

Hello AnneJ, you always, but always have facts to your fingertips,
does your name begin with Encly...... :-)) Hope everything is o.k.
with you and yours tonight.

Sorry to post off-topic, everyone, but I just need to let well-wishers
know that my grandson still has a fever, and is still on antibiotics...


Early days, Anne. He's young and he's resilient. I do feel so deeply for
you - one of my children had to have a major op of a different sort and I'd
have given anything to have had it for them. Your grandson will get there.


I just wish Monday was over and done with. Martyn is a strapping lad,
and, heart problem aside, as healthy as they come, but I just worry so!
Never a good sleeper at the best of times, I scarcely get a wink of sleep
at present.


Worrying for our young never does stop. But his overall health otherwise is
hugely in his favour - really enormously so. It's a good thing this problem
has been detected and is being dealt with under controlled conditions of
choice.

You know, Judith, it occurred to me at a recent school reunion that
so much time was wasted at high school because not one of the teachers
managed to awaken in me a love of learning. That didn't come until
much, much later... I sometimes wonder what percentage of teachers
can actually _teach_ and how many merely regurgitate facts?


Ah - gifted teachers. I was lucky in that I had good English and French
teachers early on but absolutely terrible maths teachers. To this day I
can't do or understand Sudoku - it's another language to me and not one to
which I have the key. But because I had good *early* arithmetic teachers,
I can add up at the speed of light!


My 10 y.o. grand-daughter thinks it incredibly funny that her Nana, who can
tell at a glance exactly how many tiles will be needed for any
particular wall,
cannot for the life of her understand Sudoku... it's just totally defeats me!
I keep asking 'What is the _point_' of it! Crosswords, I absolutely love, and
find them a worthwhile challenge...


Yes, I enjoy crosswords and have started doing them again - rarely
completing them I must say! But my attitude to Sudoku is exactly like
yours. It's a bit like my attitude to wind-surfing - why bother!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Janet Tweedy 26-10-2007 12:41 PM

Suttons seeds
 
In article , Anne Jackson
writes

Crosswords, I absolutely love, and
find them a worthwhile challenge...



I can do Suduko but it's an effort whereas crosswords are always fun. I
have a book of gardening crosswords that I adapt to put in the Gardening
club newsletter. Kay gave me the book years ago as a present.
One answer stumped everyone last year. pom pon dahlias! I had to check
the spelling in the end! I always thought it was pom pom :)

In the interest of staving off decrepitation of the cerebral kind I have
been playing those mind games for the PC. words and logic, no problem
but 3d awareness I cannot do easily for love nor money.
Same with gardening plans, I really can't imagine in 3d!


--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 26-10-2007 11:15 PM

Suttons seeds
 
In article , Martin
writes

http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizze...alAptitude.php


Thank you, I got to answer 6 and got confused with the question. No idea
how gears move when attached to others!! I joined the RAC instead :)

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 27-10-2007 12:36 AM

Suttons seeds
 
In article , Martin
writes

Some gave up when they realised they had to count the number of teeth
on cogs, I
almost did.


Oh I didn't mind that, I just couldn't understand a cog attached to
another cog on it's side.

Janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 27-10-2007 01:21 PM

Suttons seeds
 
In article , Martin
writes


Some RAC men have the same problem :-)


How reassuring Martin!

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Alan Holmes[_2_] 27-10-2007 09:33 PM

Suttons seeds
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


I think I have a spare fiver!



Alan Holmes[_2_] 27-10-2007 09:39 PM

Suttons seeds
 

"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
...

My 10 y.o. grand-daughter thinks it incredibly funny that her Nana, who
can
tell at a glance exactly how many tiles will be needed for any
particular wall,
cannot for the life of her understand Sudoku... it's just totally defeats
me!


I cannot understand the interest in Sudoku at all, I am addicted to the
codewords.

I keep asking 'What is the _point_' of it! Crosswords, I absolutely love,
and
find them a worthwhile challenge...





uk.rec.gardening 27-10-2007 09:42 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:33:13 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
.uk...
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


I think I have a spare fiver!


Buy yourself a lobotomy!

Charlie Pridham[_2_] 28-10-2007 08:33 AM

Suttons seeds
 
In article ,
says...

"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
...

My 10 y.o. grand-daughter thinks it incredibly funny that her Nana, who
can
tell at a glance exactly how many tiles will be needed for any
particular wall,
cannot for the life of her understand Sudoku... it's just totally defeats
me!


I cannot understand the interest in Sudoku at all, I am addicted to the
codewords.

I keep asking 'What is the _point_' of it! Crosswords, I absolutely love,
and
find them a worthwhile challenge...





I agree sudoku is pointless, but killer sudoku thats another matter, I
have no doubt I would gain several hours each day if I could go cold
turkey and stop (
www.killersudokuonline.com ) check out the greater than
killer at the bottom!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

runner bean 28-10-2007 09:54 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On 25 Oct, 19:54, Sacha wrote:
On 25/10/07 15:17, in article
om, "Dave Hill"

wrote:
On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:


Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare
cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?


David Hill


Sad, though - end of an era etc.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


Very sad if Suttons comes to an end. If there is land involved then I
wouldn't be surprised Wyvale buys it. They seem to be buying up every
other brown site around. The propertiesd alone will be worth a fortune
as more houses are needed, but what happens to people wanting plants
and nice centres?


Janet Tweedy 28-10-2007 10:58 AM

Suttons seeds
 
In article . com,
runner bean writes

Very sad if Suttons comes to an end. If there is land involved then I
wouldn't be surprised Wyvale buys it. They seem to be buying up every
other brown site around. The propertiesd alone will be worth a fortune
as more houses are needed, but what happens to people wanting plants
and nice centres?



Wouldn't Tesco under the alias of Dobbies, want to purchase it as well?
They are opening new garden centres (mostly take-overs) in the south at
least.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 28-10-2007 11:04 AM

Suttons seeds
 
In article , Alan Holmes
writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
.uk...
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


I think I have a spare fiver!



When did they sell out to a French company then? Why on earth did a
French company want it anyway, haven't they got enough UK stuff with the
water boards? Seems to me you can't expect the same level of commitment
to UK base enterprises if you sell out to overseas investors. They only
see the balanced books.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Sacha 28-10-2007 11:11 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 09:54, in article
, "runner bean"
wrote:

On 25 Oct, 19:54, Sacha wrote:
On 25/10/07 15:17, in article
om, "Dave Hill"

wrote:
On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:


Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare
cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?


David Hill


Sad, though - end of an era etc.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


Very sad if Suttons comes to an end. If there is land involved then I
wouldn't be surprised Wyvale buys it. They seem to be buying up every
other brown site around. The propertiesd alone will be worth a fortune
as more houses are needed, but what happens to people wanting plants
and nice centres?

I wouldn't be surprised if Tesco buy them up.


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



judith.lea 28-10-2007 11:13 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On Oct 28, 9:59 am, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:54:55 -0700, runner bean
wrote:





On 25 Oct, 19:54, Sacha wrote:
On 25/10/07 15:17, in article
om, "Dave Hill"


wrote:
On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:


Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare
cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?


David Hill


Sad, though - end of an era etc.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


Very sad if Suttons comes to an end. If there is land involved then I
wouldn't be surprised Wyvale buys it. They seem to be buying up every
other brown site around. The propertiesd alone will be worth a fortune
as more houses are needed, but what happens to people wanting plants
and nice centres?


Locally garden centres are closing down all the time in Holland. There are none
left in the town we live in. The nearest one in the next village is going to
focus on garden design and selling garden furniture, and will no longer sell
plants. His plants were good, but his garden design isn't. It seems that more
and more people want plantless gardens.
--

Martin- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I don't know where you live in Holland but I have friends in Amsterdam
and Rotterdam and I found great garden centres/nurseries there,
although the last time I visited one was a few years ago so maybe
things have changed.

Judith


judith.lea 28-10-2007 11:32 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On Oct 28, 11:21 am, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:13:21 -0000, "judith.lea"
wrote:





On Oct 28, 9:59 am, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:54:55 -0700, runner bean
wrote:


On 25 Oct, 19:54, Sacha wrote:
On 25/10/07 15:17, in article
om, "Dave Hill"


wrote:
On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:


Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare
cash!http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?


David Hill


Sad, though - end of an era etc.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


Very sad if Suttons comes to an end. If there is land involved then I
wouldn't be surprised Wyvale buys it. They seem to be buying up every
other brown site around. The propertiesd alone will be worth a fortune
as more houses are needed, but what happens to people wanting plants
and nice centres?


Locally garden centres are closing down all the time in Holland. There are none
left in the town we live in. The nearest one in the next village is going to
focus on garden design and selling garden furniture, and will no longer sell
plants. His plants were good, but his garden design isn't. It seems that more
and more people want plantless gardens.

I don't know where you live in Holland but I have friends in Amsterdam
and Rotterdam and I found great garden centres/nurseries there,
although the last time I visited one was a few years ago so maybe
things have changed.


We live between Amsterdam and the Hague. Things have changed. There are a few
garden centres, but nowhere near as many as five years ago. The big ones
survive. The small and medium size ones have been closing. Similarly there are
derelict greenhouses all over the place.
--

Martin- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


That would explain it as it must be at least five years since I was at
the Hague. O.T. I know but I loved the Rembrandt Museum at the Hague
and that small self portrait in oils where his eyes follow you
everywhere, genius.

Judith


Sacha 28-10-2007 11:41 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 11:04, in article , "Janet
Tweedy" wrote:

In article , Alan Holmes
writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

I think I have a spare fiver!



When did they sell out to a French company then? Why on earth did a
French company want it anyway, haven't they got enough UK stuff with the
water boards? Seems to me you can't expect the same level of commitment
to UK base enterprises if you sell out to overseas investors. They only
see the balanced books.


I think Vilmorin bought Suttons in 1994.


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



judith.lea 28-10-2007 11:59 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On Oct 28, 11:41 am, Sacha wrote:
On 28/10/07 11:04, in article , "Janet





Tweedy" wrote:
In article , Alan Holmes
writes


"Sacha" wrote in message
o.uk...
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v


I think I have a spare fiver!


When did they sell out to a French company then? Why on earth did a
French company want it anyway, haven't they got enough UK stuff with the
water boards? Seems to me you can't expect the same level of commitment
to UK base enterprises if you sell out to overseas investors. They only
see the balanced books.


I think Vilmorin bought Suttons in 1994.

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Isn't that a French company Sacha?

Judith


[email protected] 28-10-2007 12:22 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On Oct 28, 11:41 am, Sacha wrote:
I think Vilmorin bought Suttons in 1994.


You think? Or did you look at the link I've put several posts above?


Sacha 28-10-2007 12:35 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 11:59, in article
, "judith.lea"
wrote:

On Oct 28, 11:41 am, Sacha wrote:
On 28/10/07 11:04, in article , "Janet





Tweedy" wrote:
In article , Alan Holmes
writes


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

I think I have a spare fiver!


When did they sell out to a French company then? Why on earth did a
French company want it anyway, haven't they got enough UK stuff with the
water boards? Seems to me you can't expect the same level of commitment
to UK base enterprises if you sell out to overseas investors. They only
see the balanced books.


I think Vilmorin bought Suttons in 1994.

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Isn't that a French company Sacha?

Judith

Yes and a very big one, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3dmgb8

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



[email protected] 28-10-2007 01:11 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On Oct 25, 6:58 pm, Anne Jackson wrote:

Except that it started in Reading, which is in Berkshire...


It's now in Devon since 1976.


Sacha 28-10-2007 04:30 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 16:02, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from Sacha contains these
words:
"runner bean" wrote:
On 25 Oct, 19:54, Sacha wrote:
"Dave Hill" wrote:
On 25 Oct, 13:51, "judith.lea" wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:38 pm, Sacha wrote:

Suttons Seed co. is up for sale for anyone with some spare
cash!
http://tinyurl.com/3d6d7v

Will it come in a pictorial packet with instructions?

Sad, though - end of an era etc.

Very sad if Suttons comes to an end. If there is land involved then I
wouldn't be surprised Wyvale buys it. They seem to be buying up every
other brown site around. The propertiesd alone will be worth a fortune
as more houses are needed, but what happens to people wanting plants
and nice centres?

I wouldn't be surprised if Tesco buy them up.


That would complement their acquisition of Dobbie's, certainly...


Apparently T&M is up for sale, too. Ray thinks that its present format was
the result of a management buy out.
Now I just wish that someone like Richard Branson would buy Little Chef and
turn them into really good roadside caffs like L'Arche in France! We ate
well at those and even got paper tray cloths into the bargain!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Bob Hobden 28-10-2007 04:35 PM

Suttons seeds
 

"Sacha" wrote
Ah - gifted teachers. I was lucky in that I had good English and French
teachers early on but absolutely terrible maths teachers. To this day I
can't do or understand Sudoku - it's another language to me and not one to
which I have the key. But because I had good *early* arithmetic teachers,
I
can add up at the speed of light!


Funny, but I hate crosswords especially those that don't give proper clues
whereas I love Sudoku, it's so logical. But then I was a slow starter at
reading, not interested as a kid, and only got interested when the Maths
teacher said "read the next chapter and do the questions at the end" ....
panic! :-)

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK



Sacha 28-10-2007 04:38 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 16:35, in article , "Bob
Hobden" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote
Ah - gifted teachers. I was lucky in that I had good English and French
teachers early on but absolutely terrible maths teachers. To this day I
can't do or understand Sudoku - it's another language to me and not one to
which I have the key. But because I had good *early* arithmetic teachers,
I
can add up at the speed of light!


Funny, but I hate crosswords especially those that don't give proper clues
whereas I love Sudoku, it's so logical. But then I was a slow starter at
reading, not interested as a kid, and only got interested when the Maths
teacher said "read the next chapter and do the questions at the end" ....
panic! :-)


Just shows how early experiences influence us, I suppose. I do wish I'd
ever got a grasp of maths but one of my teachers was so wicked and so cruel
that I truly believe it frightened me off the subject for ever.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Sacha 28-10-2007 05:38 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 16:58, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from Sacha contains these
words:

I wouldn't be surprised if Tesco buy them up.

That would complement their acquisition of Dobbie's, certainly...


Apparently T&M is up for sale, too. Ray thinks that its present format was
the result of a management buy out.
Now I just wish that someone like Richard Branson would buy Little Chef and
turn them into really good roadside caffs like L'Arche in France! We ate
well at those and even got paper tray cloths into the bargain!


I did management training with the Forte organisation, many years
ago, with a view to working in one of their Little Chefs... their
idea, not mine! I just went looking for a job as a part-time waitress!

Didn't get offered a job at the end of it, though - I didn't 'fit in',
somehow! ;-)


Can't think why? Time for your take over bid, perhaps? ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



K 28-10-2007 06:17 PM

Suttons seeds
 


"Sacha" wrote
Ah - gifted teachers. I was lucky in that I had good English and French
teachers early on but absolutely terrible maths teachers. To this day I
can't do or understand Sudoku - it's another language to me and not one to
which I have the key. But because I had good *early* arithmetic teachers,
I
can add up at the speed of light!


Sudoku is a puzzle of logic. The symbols can be any 9 distinct symbols -
the fact they are numbers doesn't make the puzzle mathemetical any more
than one would regard it as verbal if it used the letters A-I instead.

Killer sudoku, otoh, does require a certain facility with arithmetic
(though not mathematics) alongside logic.


--
Kay

Sacha 28-10-2007 06:36 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 18:17, in article , "K"
wrote:



"Sacha" wrote
Ah - gifted teachers. I was lucky in that I had good English and French
teachers early on but absolutely terrible maths teachers. To this day I
can't do or understand Sudoku - it's another language to me and not one to
which I have the key. But because I had good *early* arithmetic teachers,
I
can add up at the speed of light!


Sudoku is a puzzle of logic. The symbols can be any 9 distinct symbols -
the fact they are numbers doesn't make the puzzle mathemetical any more
than one would regard it as verbal if it used the letters A-I instead.

Killer sudoku, otoh, does require a certain facility with arithmetic
(though not mathematics) alongside logic.


For me, Sudoku is a bit like the slide rule. I have lost count of the times
people have tried to explain both to me and given it up as hopeless. I will
freely admit that I have an instinctive brain rather more than a logical
one, so I suppose that doesn't help in the first place! OTOH, I often see
the solution to a practical problem involving the use of time and resources
three steps ahead of the rest of the family. But I think that's probably
training-by-motherhood!
I simply don't understand how you get 'into' the whole Sudoku grid, make it
work etc. in the first place. But with crosswords, I often get an
instinctive leap to the answer and have to work out why it's right
afterwards. How *that* happens, I have no way of explaining. You have a
scientific brain, I'd say, I certainly don't.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Janet Tweedy 28-10-2007 08:08 PM

Suttons seeds
 
In article , Sacha
writes


Isn't that a French company Sacha?

Judith

Yes and a very big one, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3dmgb8



Was Sutton's a family concern before then?
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Sacha 28-10-2007 09:23 PM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 20:08, in article , "Janet
Tweedy" wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes


Isn't that a French company Sacha?

Judith

Yes and a very big one, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3dmgb8



Was Sutton's a family concern before then?


Yes, it was founded in Reading in the 1830s by John Sutton as a family firm.


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Sacha 29-10-2007 12:06 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On 28/10/07 18:01, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from Sacha contains these
words:
"Anne Jackson" wrote:
The message from Sacha contains these
words:

I wouldn't be surprised if Tesco buy them up.

That would complement their acquisition of Dobbie's, certainly...

Apparently T&M is up for sale, too. Ray thinks that its present
format was
the result of a management buy out.
Now I just wish that someone like Richard Branson would buy Little
Chef and
turn them into really good roadside caffs like L'Arche in France! We ate
well at those and even got paper tray cloths into the bargain!

I did management training with the Forte organisation, many years
ago, with a view to working in one of their Little Chefs... their
idea, not mine! I just went looking for a job as a part-time waitress!

Didn't get offered a job at the end of it, though - I didn't 'fit in',
somehow! ;-)


Can't think why? Time for your take over bid, perhaps? ;-)


I absolutely refused to follow their guidelines on how long everything
should be cooked! *I* left everything until it was _properly_ cooked!

As for 'a portion of croutons is FIFTEEN croutons' well, I ignored that
too! Everyone got a spoonful - usually more than 15! If they thought
that I was going to stand and count out fifteen, every time someone
ordered soup, they had another think coming! 'A portion of chips is
eight ounces...'!! They were supposed to be weighed, as well!

As for the rest of their petty rules...e.g. 'a pancake must be exactly
twelve inches in diameter'!! Well, I ask you... do _you_ take a ruler
to your pancakes? ;-)

(Sorry for posting off-topic!)


Okay. You AND Richard Branson! And No, I don't take a ruler to my pancakes
- everyone else takes a shovel and fork. I make fabulous Yorkshire puddings
and awful pancakes. In fact, you've reminded I've got to work on those.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Dave Hill 29-10-2007 11:25 AM

Suttons seeds
 
On 29 Oct, 00:06, Sacha wrote:
On 28/10/07 18:01, in article , "Anne



Jackson" wrote:
The message from Sacha contains these
words:
"Anne Jackson" wrote:
The message from Sacha contains these
words:


I wouldn't be surprised if Tesco buy them up.


That would complement their acquisition of Dobbie's, certainly...


Apparently T&M is up for sale, too. Ray thinks that its present
format was
the result of a management buy out.
Now I just wish that someone like Richard Branson would buy Little
Chef and
turn them into really good roadside caffs like L'Arche in France! We ate
well at those and even got paper tray cloths into the bargain!


I did management training with the Forte organisation, many years
ago, with a view to working in one of their Little Chefs... their
idea, not mine! I just went looking for a job as a part-time waitress!


Didn't get offered a job at the end of it, though - I didn't 'fit in',
somehow! ;-)


Can't think why? Time for your take over bid, perhaps? ;-)


I absolutely refused to follow their guidelines on how long everything
should be cooked! *I* left everything until it was _properly_ cooked!


As for 'a portion of croutons is FIFTEEN croutons' well, I ignored that
too! Everyone got a spoonful - usually more than 15! If they thought
that I was going to stand and count out fifteen, every time someone
ordered soup, they had another think coming! 'A portion of chips is
eight ounces...'!! They were supposed to be weighed, as well!


As for the rest of their petty rules...e.g. 'a pancake must be exactly
twelve inches in diameter'!! Well, I ask you... do _you_ take a ruler
to your pancakes? ;-)


(Sorry for posting off-topic!)


Okay. You AND Richard Branson! And No, I don't take a ruler to my pancakes
- everyone else takes a shovel and fork. I make fabulous Yorkshire puddings
and awful pancakes. In fact, you've reminded I've got to work on those.

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



With people still asking about the origins of Suttons seeds I'll
repost the link to the company history
http://www.suttons.co.uk/History.htm

If I want a 12 inch pancake I use a 12 inch pan, for a 10 inch then a
10 inch pan and so on.
When did common sense die?

David Hill



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