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The plastic bag free town
Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags.
The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK |
The plastic bag free town
On 12/11/07 17:13, in article , "Bob
Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. Lovely little town and well done them for this initiative. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
The plastic bag free town
"Martin" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. The site says that the local Co-op gave every household in the town a re-usable cotton bag, further re-usable bags are available at a small charge, even the take-always use biodegradable containers made of corn starch .....this must be the way to go. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK |
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On 12/11/07 17:17, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. You're still paying for your supermarket plastic bag, you just don't know how much! People value what they pay for, so they'll use those bags elsewhere, too. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
The plastic bag free town
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK Featured on TV some 6 months or more back. Made us buy the reusable bags and used them since :-)) Mike -- www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there. |
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On Nov 12, 9:13 am, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent.http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK does it mention how many of them own stock or shares in the timber companies and paper-bag suppliers? (ducking and running) |
The plastic bag free town
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Martin" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. The site says that the local Co-op gave every household in the town a re-usable cotton bag, further re-usable bags are available at a small charge, even the take-always use biodegradable containers made of corn starch .....this must be the way to go. Agreed. How parsimonious, to want a free bag! Mary |
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On Nov 12, 5:30 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"Martin" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. The site says that the local Co-op gave every household in the town a re-usable cotton bag, further re-usable bags are available at a small charge, even the take-always use biodegradable containers made of corn starch .....this must be the way to go. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK It has been illegal to give free plastic bags in Irish shops for a few years now. You can get them but have to ask and have to pay. Ireland used to have an appalling litter problem; overnight we went from that to merely having a bad litter problem. It needed a simple act of government. Since then, people have gotten used to bringing their own bags when going shopping. One barrier at the time was the amount of economic activity that went onto making and distributing the disposable bags; it is a big business. It worked almost immediately and the supermarkets surived quite happily despite all the bleating they did before hand, moaning about how civilisation would end etc. Des |
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On 12/11/07 18:50, in article
, "Don H3" wrote: On Nov 12, 9:13 am, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent.http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK does it mention how many of them own stock or shares in the timber companies and paper-bag suppliers? (ducking and running) I don't see what the problem would be if that were the case. Without investment, companies can't continue to exist. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 12/11/07 18:50, in article , "Don H3" wrote: On Nov 12, 9:13 am, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent.http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK does it mention how many of them own stock or shares in the timber companies and paper-bag suppliers? (ducking and running) I don't see what the problem would be if that were the case. Without investment, companies can't continue to exist. ..... burning up the resources .........we borrow .. from our children.' Nah, no problem there. ned |
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says... On 12/11/07 17:17, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. You're still paying for your supermarket plastic bag, you just don't know how much! People value what they pay for, so they'll use those bags elsewhere, too. So does anyone have first hand experiance of plastic free bags which can be used for wet plants? (we would gladly change but have never found any) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:00:58 +0000, Sacha wrote
(in article ) : On 12/11/07 17:51, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:39:01 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 12/11/07 17:17, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. You're still paying for your supermarket plastic bag, you just don't know how much! I'm not. I bought recyclable bags years ago. I don't recall the supermarket that made them available for a token amount getting any publicity. Probably because they go on handing out plastic bags for which we all still pay - even you. There *has* been publicity recently over Tesco's decision to start charging 5p for plastic bags to 'force' people to re-use them. Huh! Then why is it, I ask myself, when I (rarely) shop at Tesco's, and stand there waving my own canvas bags and saying "I've got my own bags", do they just automatically spread out the plastic ones in my way. I have been known to have to say this three times before they take any notice. And why, then, when I say, patiently, "you will re-use those, won't you?" when the bags are then shoved under the counter, do they look at me blankly as though I come from Mars? It's all right, you don't need to answer that - just my morning rant for the day :-) -- Sally in Shropshire, UK Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation churchyard: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
The plastic bag free town
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK There is an awful load of rubbish being spread about - about rubbish. First the website spends a long time wailing about all the plastic in the world. Straw man. It's only the plastic bags that are this issue. I wonder if there are any facts available on the effectiveness of projects like this. My suspicion is that they are ways some people try to assuage their guilt about their useage of resources. Take Christmas for example. How many of the people involved in that project will buy more plastic in one set of Christmas presents than a whole years useage of plastic bags? How many of them take their kids to school in a car when 15 minutes less sleep would give them time to walk them to school? How many have 4 by 4 vehicles, never used for what they are designed, but to provide a fearful owner the false sense of protection from collision? How many have a place in Europe, and are frequent fliers? When all this is answered, it will still be a useless effort to leave well meaning people to be careful about their carbon footprint and prudence when using materials. Only governments have the power to force selfish people to behave sensibly. |
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On 13/11/07 08:47, in article
, "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 12/11/07 17:17, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. You're still paying for your supermarket plastic bag, you just don't know how much! People value what they pay for, so they'll use those bags elsewhere, too. So does anyone have first hand experiance of plastic free bags which can be used for wet plants? (we would gladly change but have never found any) We use some plastic bags but our main 'carriers' are shallow cardboard trays. They arrive flat and we make them up as needed. On busy days we could almost have one person doing that job. I think they cost us about 15p each but at least we feel they're fairly eco-friendly. One woman asked us if we would give her 'some', as her cat likes to play with them! We said we would gladly do so but would have to charge her for them. She seemed genuinely shocked to learn that this was because we have to pay for them. ;-) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 13/11/07 09:23, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:00:58 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 12/11/07 17:51, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:39:01 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 12/11/07 17:17, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. You're still paying for your supermarket plastic bag, you just don't know how much! I'm not. I bought recyclable bags years ago. I don't recall the supermarket that made them available for a token amount getting any publicity. Probably because they go on handing out plastic bags Not in this case they went bust in the great Dutch supermarket price cutting war. Hmmmmm. No connection? ;-) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 13/11/07 09:48, in article
, "Sally Thompson" wrote: snip Huh! Then why is it, I ask myself, when I (rarely) shop at Tesco's, and stand there waving my own canvas bags and saying "I've got my own bags", do they just automatically spread out the plastic ones in my way. I have been known to have to say this three times before they take any notice. And why, then, when I say, patiently, "you will re-use those, won't you?" when the bags are then shoved under the counter, do they look at me blankly as though I come from Mars? It's all right, you don't need to answer that - just my morning rant for the day :-) ;-)) Feeling better? I think they've only just started this initiative - and I hope I'm right it's Tesco because now I've got a sneaky feeling I'm not and it's M&S. So much for my morning-paper-reading attention span. With Tesco however, if I do an online order, which I usually do, I get 'green points' if I don't ask for things to be delivered in carrier bags unless 'absolutely necessary'. They are the ones who decide what is 'absolutely necessary' but I do end up with very few bags. When we do have a collection, I take them to a couple of local shops who don't have their own and they happily re-use them. Otherwise, I have the good old wicker shopping basket and a canvas shopper. Looking for a bicycle basket the other day (not for me!) I came across this lovely site with irresistible baskets on it. I have no idea why they fascinate me so much but there is something so aesthetically pleasing about proper shopping baskets! http://www.somersetlevels.co.uk/shop...rying-baskets/ -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On Nov 12, 6:50 pm, Don H3 wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:13 am, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent.http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK does it mention how many of them own stock or shares in the timber companies and paper-bag suppliers? (ducking and running) In Ireland we banned free plastic bags in supermarkets. The problem was that the companies who make and distribute the bags hated it (for obvious reasons) and the supermarkets and shops had various angles about being unable to stop shoplifting. The main reusable bags are fibre or plastic. By default, I just use a small rucksack for small lots anyway. So the vested interests angle was to try to stop the change rather than the opposite. It worked overnight and has been an incredible success and civilisation did not end. Des |
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We use some plastic bags but our main 'carriers' are shallow cardboard trays. They arrive flat and we make them up as needed. On busy days we could almost have one person doing that job. I think they cost us about 15p each -- Sacha 15p plus the labour cost of making them up. How many can that 'one person' make up per hour and what is the hourly rate? So many businesses don't take the full cost of an item into consideration. I was looking at a Roadside Public House which is on the market and the cost of what I call 'Dead Money' on the Rent and Rates alone is £207.00 PER DAY. When I had my factories, I did a 'Dead Money' calculation on Rent, Rates, Gas and Electric Standing Charge, Telephone Rent, Insurances etc etc, added it all up for the year and divided by 365. That was the cost, Sundays, Christmas Day etc that was 'Money down the drain' BEFORE I paid for the first member of staff to come in and switch a light on, flush the loo, turn the heating up etc etc. One of the hidden considerations I included in my book on starting a business. Sacha. Have you done a 'Dead Money' calculation? What it costs per day to run your place as a business? I doubt it, not many do :-( They wait for the end of the year, hand their books to the Accountant and then a year after the Financial Year has closed, see how well they didn't do 18 months ago :-( Mike -- www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there. |
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In article ,
says... On 13/11/07 08:47, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 12/11/07 17:17, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. You're still paying for your supermarket plastic bag, you just don't know how much! People value what they pay for, so they'll use those bags elsewhere, too. So does anyone have first hand experiance of plastic free bags which can be used for wet plants? (we would gladly change but have never found any) We use some plastic bags but our main 'carriers' are shallow cardboard trays. They arrive flat and we make them up as needed. On busy days we could almost have one person doing that job. I think they cost us about 15p each but at least we feel they're fairly eco-friendly. One woman asked us if we would give her 'some', as her cat likes to play with them! We said we would gladly do so but would have to charge her for them. She seemed genuinely shocked to learn that this was because we have to pay for them. ;-) Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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In reply to 'Mike' ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : Mike, do you have an email address I can contact you at, please? You can email me direct (remove the daft bit) if you like. Unc |
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Charlie Pridham wrote:
Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. -- Linz Wet Yorks |
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Incidentally if it's a plastic bag free town what do people put their rubbish in for the dustmen to collect? Putting "naked" food waste in a wheelly bin is extremely unhygienic. |
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On Nov 13, 10:01 am, "Miles - Nature" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK There is an awful load of rubbish being spread about - about rubbish. First the website spends a long time wailing about all the plastic in the world. Straw man. It's only the plastic bags that are this issue. I wonder if there are any facts available on the effectiveness of projects like this. My suspicion is that they are ways some people try to assuage their guilt about their useage of resources. Take Christmas for example. How many of the people involved in that project will buy more plastic in one set of Christmas presents than a whole years useage of plastic bags? The average number of plastic bags that one family goes through per week is surprisingly high (maybe a dozen; maybe more; I do not have the number to hand). Multiply it up across a country and it becomes staggering. In Ireland, we had a dreadful litter problem from them and we simply banned them (banned giving them away free; you are allowed to sell them; it is s small cost; maybe 20cents; I cannot remember as I have not bought one in years). It worked overnight. It still does not cure cancer or fix all the other dreadful things we are doing to the environment but it was an easy fix that stopped this particular lot of waste. You are right in saying that it could lead to complacency (e.g. "well that's all fixed now" mentality) but it was still worth doing. How many of them take their kids to school in a car when 15 minutes less sleep would give them time to walk them to school? How many have 4 by 4 vehicles, never used for what they are designed, but to provide a fearful owner the false sense of protection from collision? How many have a place in Europe, and are frequent fliers? When all this is answered, it will still be a useless effort to leave well meaning people to be careful about their carbon footprint and prudence when using materials. Only governments have the power to force selfish people to behave sensibly. |
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"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message ... In reply to 'Mike' ) who wrote this in , I, Marvo, say : Mike, do you have an email address I can contact you at, please? You can email me direct (remove the daft bit) if you like. Unc Very easy to find. Follow the threads/links in the sig 3 email addresses there alone :-) Look forward to hearing from you Best wishes Mike -- www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there. |
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On Nov 13, 12:09 pm, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:48:48 -0800, Des Higgins wrote: On Nov 13, 10:01 am, "Miles - Nature" wrote: "Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK There is an awful load of rubbish being spread about - about rubbish. First the website spends a long time wailing about all the plastic in the world. Straw man. It's only the plastic bags that are this issue. I wonder if there are any facts available on the effectiveness of projects like this. My suspicion is that they are ways some people try to assuage their guilt about their useage of resources. Take Christmas for example. How many of the people involved in that project will buy more plastic in one set of Christmas presents than a whole years useage of plastic bags? The average number of plastic bags that one family goes through per week is surprisingly high (maybe a dozen; maybe more; I do not have the number to hand). Multiply it up across a country and it becomes staggering. In Ireland, we had a dreadful litter problem from them and we simply banned them (banned giving them away free; you are allowed to sell them; it is s small cost; maybe 20cents; I cannot remember as I have not bought one in years). It worked overnight. Do you also have a significant deposit on PEP bottles to make people return them to supermarkets? Big business is pressuring the EU to make charging a deposit illegal. -- Martin No; no deposit. There are quite a few "recycling" points for them which makes it look ok but I THINK most of them get sent to China to be incinerated (not quite as wasteful as it sounds as there is a long line of empty ships going back to China after delivering stuff to Europe and they do generate some heat and electricity from it) which kind of defeats the purpose. At least it stops them going to landfill but I am not sure how easy it is to genuinely recycle them. As a society we generate vast amounts of them. Des |
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In reply to Martin ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:12:14 -0000, "Uncle Marvo" wrote: In reply to Martin ) who wrote this in , I, Marvo, say : Do you also have a significant deposit on PEP bottles to make people return them to supermarkets? Big business is pressuring the EU to make charging a deposit illegal. Is PEP a plastic bottle, like a water bottle? Yes I understand that we ship them to China to be burnt. I find that disgusting for a variety of reasons. Why can't we have biodegradable or properly recycleable ones, it must be possible? Big business goes for the cheapest solution? Big business is a b'stard. I buy them occasionally cos the tank water tastes pretty horrible if it isn't boiled, but I used to be able to fill them up with tap water. I can't now because most of them have non-removeable lids which purport to be "for easy pouring". That is not the reason, obv. And before anyone says that filling plastic bottles with tap water causes cancer, look at snopes or urbanmyth :-) |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:24:04 +0000, Sacha wrote
(in article ) : On 13/11/07 09:48, in article , "Sally Thompson" wrote: snip Huh! Then why is it, I ask myself, when I (rarely) shop at Tesco's, and stand there waving my own canvas bags and saying "I've got my own bags", do they just automatically spread out the plastic ones in my way. I have been known to have to say this three times before they take any notice. And why, then, when I say, patiently, "you will re-use those, won't you?" when the bags are then shoved under the counter, do they look at me blankly as though I come from Mars? It's all right, you don't need to answer that - just my morning rant for the day :-) ;-)) Feeling better? I think they've only just started this initiative - and I hope I'm right it's Tesco because now I've got a sneaky feeling I'm not and it's M&S. So much for my morning-paper-reading attention span. With Tesco however, if I do an online order, which I usually do, I get 'green points' if I don't ask for things to be delivered in carrier bags unless 'absolutely necessary'. They are the ones who decide what is 'absolutely necessary' but I do end up with very few bags. When we do have a collection, I take them to a couple of local shops who don't have their own and they happily re-use them. Otherwise, I have the good old wicker shopping basket and a canvas shopper. Looking for a bicycle basket the other day (not for me!) I came across this lovely site with irresistible baskets on it. I have no idea why they fascinate me so much but there is something so aesthetically pleasing about proper shopping baskets! http://www.somersetlevels.co.uk/shop...rying-baskets/ Nice baskets, but I think I would feel seriously old with the basket on wheelsg We have our own green heavy-weight ones which are fantastic for shopping: http://www.localtoludlow.org.uk/news.html (scroll down to the green ones shown under October 2006). -- Sally in Shropshire, UK http://www.freerice.com/index.php Give free rice to hungry people by playing a simple word game |
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"Sally Thompson" wrote in message We have our own green heavy-weight ones which are fantastic for shopping: http://www.localtoludlow.org.uk/news.html (scroll down to the green ones shown under October 2006). That is the type we use. Fantastic. They fold flat. Are just the right size for all sorts of things. We have 4 and can get our shop into them usually, if not we use the Supermarket plastic bags and re-use them in the flip top rubbish bin or nasties before putting them in the dustbin But those canvas bags are wonderful Mike -- www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there. |
The plastic bag free town
On 13/11/07 12:47, in article
, "Sally Thompson" wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:24:04 +0000, Sacha wrote (in article ) : On 13/11/07 09:48, in article , "Sally Thompson" wrote: snip Huh! Then why is it, I ask myself, when I (rarely) shop at Tesco's, and stand there waving my own canvas bags and saying "I've got my own bags", do they just automatically spread out the plastic ones in my way. I have been known to have to say this three times before they take any notice. And why, then, when I say, patiently, "you will re-use those, won't you?" when the bags are then shoved under the counter, do they look at me blankly as though I come from Mars? It's all right, you don't need to answer that - just my morning rant for the day :-) ;-)) Feeling better? I think they've only just started this initiative - and I hope I'm right it's Tesco because now I've got a sneaky feeling I'm not and it's M&S. So much for my morning-paper-reading attention span. With Tesco however, if I do an online order, which I usually do, I get 'green points' if I don't ask for things to be delivered in carrier bags unless 'absolutely necessary'. They are the ones who decide what is 'absolutely necessary' but I do end up with very few bags. When we do have a collection, I take them to a couple of local shops who don't have their own and they happily re-use them. Otherwise, I have the good old wicker shopping basket and a canvas shopper. Looking for a bicycle basket the other day (not for me!) I came across this lovely site with irresistible baskets on it. I have no idea why they fascinate me so much but there is something so aesthetically pleasing about proper shopping baskets! http://www.somersetlevels.co.uk/shop...rying-baskets/ Nice baskets, but I think I would feel seriously old with the basket on wheelsg Tempting to add a couple of bread knives to the axle, though eh? ;-) We have our own green heavy-weight ones which are fantastic for shopping: http://www.localtoludlow.org.uk/news.html (scroll down to the green ones shown under October 2006). Very good site and the bags look rather like the one I've bought from Riverford Farm, except that theirs have wooden handles. I'm sure our town council must be aware of the Modbury initiative but I'm going to forward this to them, too. I've also contacted the Bio polybag co. for quotes so I'm hoping they're not too expensive. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
The plastic bag free town
"'Mike'" wrote in message ... We use some plastic bags but our main 'carriers' are shallow cardboard trays. They arrive flat and we make them up as needed. On busy days we could almost have one person doing that job. I think they cost us about 15p each -- Sacha 15p plus the labour cost of making them up. How many can that 'one person' make up per hour and what is the hourly rate? So many businesses don't take the full cost of an item into consideration. I was looking at a Roadside Public House which is on the market and the cost of what I call 'Dead Money' on the Rent and Rates alone is £207.00 PER DAY. When I had my factories, I did a 'Dead Money' calculation on Rent, Rates, Gas and Electric Standing Charge, Telephone Rent, Insurances etc etc, added it all up for the year and divided by 365. That was the cost, Sundays, Christmas Day etc that was 'Money down the drain' BEFORE I paid for the first member of staff to come in and switch a light on, flush the loo, turn the heating up etc etc. One of the hidden considerations I included in my book on starting a business. Sacha. Have you done a 'Dead Money' calculation? What it costs per day to run your place as a business? I doubt it, not many do :-( They wait for the end of the year, hand their books to the Accountant and then a year after the Financial Year has closed, see how well they didn't do 18 months ago :-( Mike Well what do you know? Just picked this up off the front page :-)) .................................................. ......... Hidden costs 'raise US war price' US Democrats say the wars are costing the US too much The US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are costing nearly double the amount previously thought, according to a report set to be released by Congress. Democrats say the wars have cost $1.5 trillion - almost twice the requested $804bn (£402bn) - because of "hidden costs", the Washington Post reports. .................................................. ...... Kindest regards Mike Who didn't come down with the last shower of rain :-))) -- www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there. |
The plastic bag free town
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says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
The plastic bag free town
On 13/11/07 14:33, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) Charlie, we use http://torbaypackaging.co.uk/ for some boxes but I don't think they do biodegradable stuff. I'll email them to find out. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
The plastic bag free town
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, I, Marvo, say : On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php In the old days, supermarkets put out their cardboard boxes for you to put stuff in, or charged you 10p for a carrier bag. What do they do with all the boxes nowadays? Incidentally if it's a plastic bag free town what do people put their rubbish in for the dustmen to collect? Putting "naked" food waste in a wheelly bin is extremely unhygienic. Good point. I use plastic co-op bags (which are biodegradeable), but I bet the townspeople buy binbags. You can still get boxes in the co-op, they stack them against the wall by the door and you help yourself. Some supermarkets, such as my local Waitrose, never have them available. I expect they sell them :-) |
The plastic bag free town
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says... On 13/11/07 14:33, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) Charlie, we use http://torbaypackaging.co.uk/ for some boxes but I don't think they do biodegradable stuff. I'll email them to find out. Just found this while googling for bio bags (which are very expensive by the way 8X more than plastic) It made rather interesting reading and goes some way to explain why the government are not pushing that hard to change things. http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/.../index.htm#bio -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
The plastic bag free town
On Nov 12, 8:14 pm, Des Higgins wrote:
On Nov 12, 5:30 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Martin" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. The site says that the local Co-op gave every household in the town a re-usable cotton bag, further re-usable bags are available at a small charge, even the take-always use biodegradable containers made of corn starch .....this must be the way to go. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK It has been illegal to give free plastic bags in Irish shops for a few years now. You can get them but have to ask and have to pay. Ireland used to have an appalling litter problem; overnight we went from that to merely having a bad litter problem. It needed a simple act of government. Since then, people have gotten used to bringing their own bags when going shopping. One barrier at the time was the amount of economic activity that went onto making and distributing the disposable bags; it is a big business. It worked almost immediately and the supermarkets surived quite happily despite all the bleating they did before hand, moaning about how civilisation would end etc. Des- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What's really funny now is travelling to other countries, and feeling majorly imposed upon at being handed a plastic bag for the purchase of 1 small very portable item. Cat(h) |
The plastic bag free town
In reply to Cat(h) ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : On Nov 12, 8:14 pm, Des Higgins wrote: On Nov 12, 5:30 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Martin" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. The site says that the local Co-op gave every household in the town a re-usable cotton bag, further re-usable bags are available at a small charge, even the take-always use biodegradable containers made of corn starch .....this must be the way to go. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK It has been illegal to give free plastic bags in Irish shops for a few years now. You can get them but have to ask and have to pay. Ireland used to have an appalling litter problem; overnight we went from that to merely having a bad litter problem. It needed a simple act of government. Since then, people have gotten used to bringing their own bags when going shopping. One barrier at the time was the amount of economic activity that went onto making and distributing the disposable bags; it is a big business. It worked almost immediately and the supermarkets surived quite happily despite all the bleating they did before hand, moaning about how civilisation would end etc. Des- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What's really funny now is travelling to other countries, and feeling majorly imposed upon at being handed a plastic bag for the purchase of 1 small very portable item. Cat(h) I found that in Spain recently. They like their bags. On the other hand, the streets are paved with recycling bins, which is great. And they have bins on railway stations. In bars, you just lob everything on the floor and it magically disappears every night. |
The plastic bag free town
In reply to Charlie Pridham ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : In article , says... On 13/11/07 14:33, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) Charlie, we use http://torbaypackaging.co.uk/ for some boxes but I don't think they do biodegradable stuff. I'll email them to find out. Just found this while googling for bio bags (which are very expensive by the way 8X more than plastic) It made rather interesting reading and goes some way to explain why the government are not pushing that hard to change things. http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/.../index.htm#bio Yes, I sometimes wish I could believe some of the misguided twaddle put out by DEFRA too. That article is condescending, implying that everybody is stupid and doesn't know how to work a bag. I particularly like "Government is taking steps to help tackle this form of littering through a combination of regulatory options, partnership work and awareness-raising. " The "form" of littering referred to is cigarette litter. A better option might be an invention called an "ashtray". Most pubs have many more than they need now. |
The plastic bag free town
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says... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php In the old days, supermarkets put out their cardboard boxes for you to put stuff in, or charged you 10p for a carrier bag. What do they do with all the boxes nowadays? Incidentally if it's a plastic bag free town what do people put their rubbish in for the dustmen to collect? Putting "naked" food waste in a wheelly bin is extremely unhygienic. They still put boxes out but now everyone is grabbibg them there are never enough! We keep the reusable bags in our van so they are always to hand. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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