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Ideas please - north facing wall
"Rhiannon_s" wrote in message ... "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Japanese Quinces might do ok there. I've seen them growing in similar and they make good jam. Thanks for that. I have a couple of Serbian quinces, but once long ago, we did have Japanese quinces under the south facing windows - and very nice they were too. Pretty flowers and very flavoursome fruit. That was in a sun trap and on "sandlings" soil. I checked Japanese quinces and they seem to indicate that full sun is needed and that they are between 1/3 metres tall. The wall is about 4M and, will of course, be in full shade. On the basis that you will never know if you don't try, unless anyone has any more ideas.... -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com This time -- Rhiannon_s There is no God but Eris, and Jay and Silent Bob are her Prophets. |
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Ideas please - north facing wall
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 15/1/08 11:17, in article , "Pat Gardiner" wrote: "Rhiannon_s" wrote in message ... "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Japanese Quinces might do ok there. I've seen them growing in similar and they make good jam. Thanks for that. I have a couple of Serbian quinces, but once long ago, we did have Japanese quinces under the south facing windows - and very nice they were too. Pretty flowers and very flavoursome fruit. That was in a sun trap and on "sandlings" soil. I checked Japanese quinces and they seem to indicate that full sun is needed and that they are between 1/3 metres tall. The wall is about 4M and, will of course, be in full shade. On the basis that you will never know if you don't try, unless anyone has any more ideas.... I'm not into fruit growing much but don't currants do quite well in shade? Gooseberries? I do have a standard gooseberry, amongst my flock- a very good way of mixing gooseberries and bad backs and not difficult to train - reccomended. You are right, they do tolerate shade, but alas won't stretch the height. I can't imagine more than three or four feet. -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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Ideas please - north facing wall
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says... "Rhiannon_s" wrote in message ... "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Japanese Quinces might do ok there. I've seen them growing in similar and they make good jam. Thanks for that. I have a couple of Serbian quinces, but once long ago, we did have Japanese quinces under the south facing windows - and very nice they were too. Pretty flowers and very flavoursome fruit. That was in a sun trap and on "sandlings" soil. I checked Japanese quinces and they seem to indicate that full sun is needed and that they are between 1/3 metres tall. The wall is about 4M and, will of course, be in full shade. On the basis that you will never know if you don't try, unless anyone has any more ideas.... If you planted two and depending on what part of the country your wall is in then Akebia quinata or Akebia trifolia will both grow and fruit on a north wall but fruit production seems to require hand pollination or is unreliable in the UK. similarly Holboella latifolia (here I found the fruit very attractive to look at but a bit insipid to taste) You may also consider Lapageria rosea although again you would need two genetically different plants and although the goosberry sized fruits are lovely they contain around 100 seeds which T&M can charge more than a pound per seed for, which may put you off eating them! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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Ideas please - north facing wall
"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message T... In article , says... "Rhiannon_s" wrote in message ... "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Japanese Quinces might do ok there. I've seen them growing in similar and they make good jam. Thanks for that. I have a couple of Serbian quinces, but once long ago, we did have Japanese quinces under the south facing windows - and very nice they were too. Pretty flowers and very flavoursome fruit. That was in a sun trap and on "sandlings" soil. I checked Japanese quinces and they seem to indicate that full sun is needed and that they are between 1/3 metres tall. The wall is about 4M and, will of course, be in full shade. On the basis that you will never know if you don't try, unless anyone has any more ideas.... If you planted two and depending on what part of the country your wall is in then Akebia quinata or Akebia trifolia will both grow and fruit on a north wall but fruit production seems to require hand pollination or is unreliable in the UK. similarly Holboella latifolia (here I found the fruit very attractive to look at but a bit insipid to taste) You may also consider Lapageria rosea although again you would need two genetically different plants and although the goosberry sized fruits are lovely they contain around 100 seeds which T&M can charge more than a pound per seed for, which may put you off eating them! I'm in East Anglia on clay with a good admixture of lime. So, I would have to change the soil for Lapageria rosea and it seems that although they would like a sheltered wall, north sounds a bit dodgy. But you have attracted my interest. I'm reorganising my tunnels with raised beds and could fill one with ericacious soil, for this plus some extra blueberries and cranberries. Which reminds me, the dog pulled out 20 brand new cranberry plants last year. I'm going to plan some of last years berries and hope for some plants. Seeds are dear. I get mad over staples like melons and cucumbers being so expensive. Akebia quinata or Akebia trifolia both seem to be a bit tender for the site and is the taste that good? Thanks anyway. I'm keeping working on this. There must be something. Keep the ideas coming! -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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Ideas please - north facing wall
Pat Gardiner wrote:
I'm in East Anglia on clay with a good admixture of lime. So, I would have to change the soil for Lapageria rosea and it seems that although they would like a sheltered wall, north sounds a bit dodgy. Not at all. If there is one thing Lapageria hates it is sun. I grow mine (in a 40cm pot) on a north-west facing wall under a verandah, protected from south and south-west sun by a garage wall. It only ever gets any sun for a couple of hours or so in the afternoon/evening from late May through to late July - and doesn't like it. It is still in flower (started early July 2007, but usually doesn't start until mid-late August). In the 2006 - 7 flowering season, there were around 300 flowers in total. As each one lasts in excess of 3 weeks, that isn't bad going. It most certainly would be in my top 10 flowering plants. The only thing I would be worried about is a bad frost. Not sure how bad it has to be to cause severe damage (perhaps Charlie P. can advise on this), but as Lapageria is pretty slow to establish and get going, you really don't want to lose any of it. Also, as you have stated, you would have to change your soil. Either that or grow it in a large pot. But although it has fairly tough leaves, I don't think it is too keen on a dry atmosphere. And as you live in East Anglia... As a suggestion, and although a north-facing wall may not exactly suit it, how about trying Decaisnea fargesii for a bit of fun? Not too difficult from seed. -- Jeff (cut "thetape" to reply) |
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Ideas please - north facing wall
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says... Pat Gardiner wrote: I'm in East Anglia on clay with a good admixture of lime. So, I would have to change the soil for Lapageria rosea and it seems that although they would like a sheltered wall, north sounds a bit dodgy. Not at all. If there is one thing Lapageria hates it is sun. I grow mine (in a 40cm pot) on a north-west facing wall under a verandah, protected from south and south-west sun by a garage wall. It only ever gets any sun for a couple of hours or so in the afternoon/evening from late May through to late July - and doesn't like it. It is still in flower (started early July 2007, but usually doesn't start until mid-late August). In the 2006 - 7 flowering season, there were around 300 flowers in total. As each one lasts in excess of 3 weeks, that isn't bad going. It most certainly would be in my top 10 flowering plants. The only thing I would be worried about is a bad frost. Not sure how bad it has to be to cause severe damage (perhaps Charlie P. can advise on this), but as Lapageria is pretty slow to establish and get going, you really don't want to lose any of it. Also, as you have stated, you would have to change your soil. Either that or grow it in a large pot. But although it has fairly tough leaves, I don't think it is too keen on a dry atmosphere. And as you live in East Anglia... As a suggestion, and although a north-facing wall may not exactly suit it, how about trying Decaisnea fargesii for a bit of fun? Not too difficult from seed. I Certainly would only use north walls for Lapageria unless walls facing West could be provided with summer shade from trees etc. but they don't like soil that is alkaline and do like high humidity, frost on a suitable wall is not too much problem (I know several people growing them outside in East Scotland) but you are correct in saying they are slow, we do not let them go until they are 5-7 years old and even then I would grow on for a further 3-4 years before planting out anywhere other than ideal. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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Ideas please - north facing wall
"Granity" wrote in message ... Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com Oooooooooh I do like a good conspiracy site :-) You can never tell how these things affect even gardening. Believe it or not, according to the animal disease regulations, we were not allowed to put kitchen waste on a compost heap, because we kept pigs. Pigs are not allowed kitchen scraps in case meat is included. We had to have another separate kitchen (we put one in the garage) to prepare vegetables only and these could go on a compost heap. Waste from the kitchen had to go into the bin. We were minding our own business one day in the garden - and all hell broke loose. We caught one of the most senior government vets faking up a blood test on our backyard pig in the middle of an epidemic. What happened then was quite extraordinary. You see these senior government vets on TV - I have had them in my drawing room threatening my wife. However, we have thoroughly caught those beggars at Westminster hiding up an epidemic. The epidemic that was to lead to MRSA spreading around the world. Alas, conspiracies do exist. I think they get away with it because most people not unreasonably, think "They wouldn't do that!" All together, after me..."Oh, yes they would!" Gardening needs to be very cautious and suspicious. Now, to avoid disrupting the peaceful pursuit of planning for garden 2008, I suggest we take this conversation to ukba, where I will tell you just how evil Britain's government vets are, how I singlehandedly got the EU Fraud Squad (OLAF) to raid a British government office and why Britain's pigs are spreading MRSA to people. Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com -- Granity |
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