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On 26/3/08 19:03, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote: In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | Has anyone an explanation as to how the bus company justifies going from | a restriction on drivers travelling more than 30 miles without a break | to requiring passengers to disembark and to purchase multiple tickets? It's almost certainly the installation of the tachygraph that they don't want to do. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Also from the WMN: "British law limits drivers to 60 hours a week at the wheel, but this is superseded by the new EU regulations if a driver covers more than 50km at any point in a single trip. Those drivers are required to have a continuous 45 hour rest period - effectively two days - within the same week. This poses a problem for small rural firms, who do not have the staff to cover the two-day break required, especially if they operate a Sunday service. Larger bus operators said they have worked around the new legislation and that services have not been disrupted. Operators First Devon and Cornwall operate a number of routes over 30 miles and carry 17 million passengers around the two counties every year. Company chiefs said they had decided it was more important to continue to serve the customers on these routes with no disruptions. A spokesman said: "The implementation of the 30-mile rule means there is the need for additional drivers and the purchase of tachographs for the vehicles. First has decided to absorb this cost, in the interest of our customers and services. It is not necessary for customers to change, or get on and off buses as we have altered the way in which these services are operated (which has ultimately increased costs) in order to ensure they continue to be operated legally." " -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 16:28, in article , "Nick Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 26/3/08 15:25, in article | , "Judith | in France" wrote: | | Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc? | | Up to the individual but I should think ours is about 5'. Below about 3' would look a bit silly, unless it was also dwarfed (as in bonsai). My guess is that a semi-dwarfed one of 2' would look OK. Above about 6' is unwieldy. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Well, of course, the higher the pole, the longer it will take for the Wisteria to do its 'sweeping to the ground' thing! And of course, wind knocking it over if it's too high has to be taken in account. Personally, I'd say 5'. Much lower than that and you might as well let it just scramble through a bed on its own. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Thanks Sacha, I will go for 5 ft the same height as me. Judith |
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says... On 26/3/08 18:12, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people and find none of heard of it. Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too. Yes its always asked for we never have to "sell" it! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 27/3/08 08:35, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 18:12, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people and find none of heard of it. Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too. Yes its always asked for we never have to "sell" it! Posh lot down there. ;-) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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says... On 27/3/08 08:35, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 18:12, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people and find none of heard of it. Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too. Yes its always asked for we never have to "sell" it! Posh lot down there. ;-) I think there are just more of them around so people see it and want it, Clematis connata is even better but difficult to source but as its equally large I have not got the space for another monster! I just love the scent from these in the Autumn on the right day we can smell it from about 10 yards or more -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 27/3/08 09:44, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 27/3/08 08:35, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 18:12, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people and find none of heard of it. Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too. Yes its always asked for we never have to "sell" it! Posh lot down there. ;-) I think there are just more of them around so people see it and want it, Clematis connata is even better but difficult to source but as its equally large I have not got the space for another monster! I just love the scent from these in the Autumn on the right day we can smell it from about 10 yards or more Grooooaaaan! Have you got one for sale, Charlie? If so, I've got to have it now, blastit! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 27/3/08 10:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:34:45 +0000, Sacha wrote: Don't they mean safely? I can't second guess them, Martin. While I think a lot of this EU stuff is irritatingly silly, I think some is an excuse to be sloppy or lazy, too. I am NOT citing this as an example BTW. That said, I refuse to believe that driving e.g. 60 miles is in any way dangerous for a bus driver operating under sensible circumstances. I just wish we allowed for a degree of common sense to be in operation, too! It seems reasonable to limit the number of hours a driver can drive without a break and for drivers to have 2 days rest a week like most of the rest of the population. Most coach disasters result from drivers driving excess hours. I notice that long distance buses on UK motorways are often travelling over the speed limit. I find it reasonable to fit a tachygraph to a public transport bus. But this is applying also to small, local services, most or many of which won't ever see a motorway. If I can drive e.g. Two hours to Chepstow and back again in one day, as I shall do tomorrow, I really do not believe a bus driver is at risk any more than I am. Two days off is fine if both driver and company agree to it but in this instance, we're not talking about long distance lorry drivers hauling huge loads. We're talking about small local buses whose passengers have to get on and off in rain, wind, sleet and snow, lugging shopping, babies and pushchairs each time. It's on a par with taxing *everyone* who owns a 4x4 without taking into account that there are two tiers of ownership - country livers that need them and town dwellers that don't. The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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says... On 27/3/08 09:44, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 27/3/08 08:35, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 18:12, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people and find none of heard of it. Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too. I have seed sown and if I get a germination will bear you in mind! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 27/3/08 13:18, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 27/3/08 09:44, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 27/3/08 08:35, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 18:12, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people and find none of heard of it. Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too. I have seed sown and if I get a germination will bear you in mind! Many thanks. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On Mar 26, 11:06 am, Emery Davis wrote: Judith in France wrote: On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Judith in France wrote: [] Like the trees Emery, have you got any pics of your garden? Hi Judith, I have lots of recent pictures but none online; and most of them are only of botanical interest anyway. The only online ones are from over 10 years ago -- before I started collecting maples and doing a lot with the larger garden -- from when we were letting the house for holidays. They are at www.adelka.com/normandy/grounds.html but as I say horribly out of date. I won't be seeing you in the Tabac/Bar then before 8a.m.with a little poodle under one arm, a paper under the other and a glass of Calvados? :-) Na, that was the other fella! -E |
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On 27/3/08 14:32, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: snip The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they want to work. It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week. I don't think anybody's arguing about that. This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles part way through their journey because of EU rules. Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in one go. Passengers on some routes must get on and off their bus, sometimes twice, to prevent bus operators from prosecution. Operators in Cornwall have condemned the new rule brought in last April as "idiotic" and have called for Whitehall to step in. Western Greyhound, based in Newquay, has been forced to split its Newquay to Plymouth service into three sections. Although one driver is used throughout the trip, passengers have to buy three tickets and break their journey twice." http://tinyurl.com/2x6a49 -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 27/3/08 16:49, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On 27 Mar 2008 16:16:32 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 27/3/08 14:32, in article , | "Martin" wrote: | | The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they | want to work. | | It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week. | | I don't think anybody's arguing about that. | This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article | "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles | part way through their journey because of EU rules. | | Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in | one go. And people are pointing out that article is telling porkies. 'Tain't so. It is truly amazing that bus companies are still repeating this EU myth, 9 years after Neil Kinnock tried to put it to rest. Maybe nobody believed him. :o) http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pr.../myth10_en.htm Euromyth: Driven crazy by barmy bus driver Brussels ruling snip I'll forward that to the local paper and see if they take it up. BTW Martin, I've emailed you with a request to translate something for me from Dutch into English. It's a friend of Ray's who's died recently and while we can get most of it, there are a few vital words we'd liketo understand! If you didn't get it, can you email me or tell me here? Many thanks. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 27/3/08 17:18, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:06:58 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 27/3/08 16:49, in article , "Martin" wrote: On 27 Mar 2008 16:16:32 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 27/3/08 14:32, in article , | "Martin" wrote: | | The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they | want to work. | | It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week. | | I don't think anybody's arguing about that. | This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article | "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles | part way through their journey because of EU rules. | | Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in | one go. And people are pointing out that article is telling porkies. 'Tain't so. It is truly amazing that bus companies are still repeating this EU myth, 9 years after Neil Kinnock tried to put it to rest. Maybe nobody believed him. :o) http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pr.../myth10_en.htm Euromyth: Driven crazy by barmy bus driver Brussels ruling snip I'll forward that to the local paper and see if they take it up. BTW Martin, I've emailed you with a request to translate something for me from Dutch into English. It's a friend of Ray's who's died recently and while we can get most of it, there are a few vital words we'd liketo understand! If you didn't get it, can you email me or tell me here? Many thanks. Orange thought you were a spammer. I have answered your e-mail. I've got it and thank you - flowers have been ordered. Myzen thought you were a spammer, too but your email did get through! Thanks so much for that. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 27/3/08 14:32, in article , "Martin" wrote: snip The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they want to work. It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week. I don't think anybody's arguing about that. This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles part way through their journey because of EU rules. Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in one go. This is incorrect. The legislation does not forbid bus drivers from travelling more than 30 miles' The EU rules lay down rest breaks and require tachographs. However, to make life easier, they have exempted vehicles travelling less than 50km (31 miles) in one go. So what may be happening is that bus companies are cutting route lengths in order to avoid having to monitor drivers' hours and ensure rest breaks. The EU legislation can be found at http://tinyurl.com/2jqzfo -- Kay |
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writes On 27/3/08 14:32, in article , "Martin" wrote: snip The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they want to work. It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week. I don't think anybody's arguing about that. This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles part way through their journey because of EU rules. Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in one go. Passengers on some routes must get on and off their bus, sometimes twice, to prevent bus operators from prosecution. Operators in Cornwall have condemned the new rule brought in last April as "idiotic" and have called for Whitehall to step in. Western Greyhound, based in Newquay, has been forced to split its Newquay to Plymouth service into three sections. Although one driver is used throughout the trip, passengers have to buy three tickets and break their journey twice." http://tinyurl.com/2x6a49 Either the driver is taking the required breaks, in which case what is gained by requiring the passengers to disembark, and to buy three tickets, or the driver is not taking the required breaks (on the argument that he is not driving a single service, and therefore doesn't have to take the breaks?), in which case at least the spirit of the law is being broken. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 27/3/08 10:38, in article , "Martin" wrote: But this is applying also to small, local services, most or many of which won't ever see a motorway. If I can drive e.g. Two hours to Chepstow and back again in one day, as I shall do tomorrow, I really do not believe a bus driver is at risk any more than I am. Isn't that what the new regs are doing? Suggesting that a bus driver should drive 2 hours to Chepstow, then have a break before driving 2 hrs back again? Snip We're talking about small local buses whose passengers have to get on and off in rain, wind, sleet and snow, lugging shopping, babies and pushchairs each time. If my bus driver is concentrating on driving along narrow country lanes in rain, sleet and snow, I would prefer him/her not to keep going for 3 or 4 hours without a break. Snip The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours! But they could be very similar to a bus driver going from Exeter to Truro and back again, then having half an hour break for lunch and then repeating the whole thing over again. -- Kay |
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In article , K writes: | Sacha writes | | The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland | to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to | Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours! | | But they could be very similar to a bus driver going from Exeter to | Truro and back again, then having half an hour break for lunch and then | repeating the whole thing over again. Or one who was expected to do the double trip twice in a day, with no break for lunch. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 27/3/08 19:30, in article , "K"
wrote: Sacha writes On 27/3/08 10:38, in article , "Martin" wrote: But this is applying also to small, local services, most or many of which won't ever see a motorway. If I can drive e.g. Two hours to Chepstow and back again in one day, as I shall do tomorrow, I really do not believe a bus driver is at risk any more than I am. Isn't that what the new regs are doing? Suggesting that a bus driver should drive 2 hours to Chepstow, then have a break before driving 2 hrs back again? Snip We're talking about small local buses whose passengers have to get on and off in rain, wind, sleet and snow, lugging shopping, babies and pushchairs each time. If my bus driver is concentrating on driving along narrow country lanes in rain, sleet and snow, I would prefer him/her not to keep going for 3 or 4 hours without a break. Snip The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours! But they could be very similar to a bus driver going from Exeter to Truro and back again, then having half an hour break for lunch and then repeating the whole thing over again. I think the post from Martin re the Neil Kinnock letter clears this up. Now I'll be interested to see if our local paper and bus services pick up on it. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 27/3/08 21:01, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:58:52 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 27/3/08 17:18, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:06:58 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 27/3/08 16:49, in article , "Martin" wrote: On 27 Mar 2008 16:16:32 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 27/3/08 14:32, in article , | "Martin" wrote: | | The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they | want to work. | | It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week. | | I don't think anybody's arguing about that. | This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article | "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles | part way through their journey because of EU rules. | | Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in | one go. And people are pointing out that article is telling porkies. 'Tain't so. It is truly amazing that bus companies are still repeating this EU myth, 9 years after Neil Kinnock tried to put it to rest. Maybe nobody believed him. :o) http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pr.../myth10_en.htm Euromyth: Driven crazy by barmy bus driver Brussels ruling snip I'll forward that to the local paper and see if they take it up. BTW Martin, I've emailed you with a request to translate something for me from Dutch into English. It's a friend of Ray's who's died recently and while we can get most of it, there are a few vital words we'd liketo understand! If you didn't get it, can you email me or tell me here? Many thanks. Orange thought you were a spammer. I have answered your e-mail. I've got it and thank you - flowers have been ordered. Myzen thought you were a spammer, too but your email did get through! Thanks so much for that. No problem and thanks for giving us a laugh with the buses. :o) Not my laugh though it's interesting the local paper pounced on it so quickly *and* have found people apparently inconvenienced by whatever IS going on! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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says... Sacha writes On 27/3/08 10:38, in article , "Martin" wrote: But this is applying also to small, local services, most or many of which won't ever see a motorway. If I can drive e.g. Two hours to Chepstow and back again in one day, as I shall do tomorrow, I really do not believe a bus driver is at risk any more than I am. Isn't that what the new regs are doing? Suggesting that a bus driver should drive 2 hours to Chepstow, then have a break before driving 2 hrs back again? Snip We're talking about small local buses whose passengers have to get on and off in rain, wind, sleet and snow, lugging shopping, babies and pushchairs each time. If my bus driver is concentrating on driving along narrow country lanes in rain, sleet and snow, I would prefer him/her not to keep going for 3 or 4 hours without a break. Snip The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours! But they could be very similar to a bus driver going from Exeter to Truro and back again, then having half an hour break for lunch and then repeating the whole thing over again. That has always been the case, the change is that if he does longer journeys he/she has to work a five day week not six, which means employing more drivers as the standard working week in the industry is 6 day, the rules also require a taco graph to be fitted to check driver hours on the longer routes, it is a clear case of the bus companies being bad employers and shifting the blame onto Europe in the hope that public pressure will get the rules changed. We already enjoy an expensive service that fails to meet demand in country areas despite public subsidy, one would have at least hoped it was a safe one. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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In article , Charlie Pridham writes: | | That has always been the case, the change is that if he does longer | journeys he/she has to work a five day week not six, which means | employing more drivers as the standard working week in the industry is 6 | day, the rules also require a taco graph to be fitted to check driver | hours on the longer routes, it is a clear case of the bus companies being | bad employers and shifting the blame onto Europe in the hope that public | pressure will get the rules changed. We already enjoy an expensive | service that fails to meet demand in country areas despite public | subsidy, one would have at least hoped it was a safe one. And treated its workers decently. But The Powers That Be in the UK believe in Victorian values - in this context, see under Tolpuddle Martyrs. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , Martin writes: | On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:50:20 +0000, Sacha wrote: | | I think the post from Martin re the Neil Kinnock letter clears this up. | | A first for Neil Kinnock? :o) Actually, he has done first class work in the EU. As a Leader of the Opposition against Margaret Thatcher, he was her greatest political advantage. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 28/3/08 10:13, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On 28 Mar 2008 09:07:21 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Martin writes: | On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:50:20 +0000, Sacha wrote: | | I think the post from Martin re the Neil Kinnock letter clears this up. | | A first for Neil Kinnock? :o) Actually, he has done first class work in the EU. He certainly did well for his family and the Labour Party by moving there. :o) As a Leader of the Opposition against Margaret Thatcher, he was her greatest political advantage. True. How he lost Labour the election must surely go down in history in any "How Not to Win at Politics" book I would think -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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