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Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? |
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In article , Broadback writes: | | The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling | over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can | reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is | that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have | shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a | number of small communities no longer have a bus service. I doubt it very much. Have you read the regulation? And then compared it with what Whitehall has perpetrated? Until you have, why do you think that the stupidity lies in Brussels? I have done just that on several topics, and the EU regulation was fairly sane, and merely said "countries shall make regulations to ensure that ..." The lunatic bureaucracy was invented in Whitehall, which is adept at blaming others for its crimes. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Mar 25, 5:41 pm, Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? I don't know, would you mind if I reposted your question on another group? Judith |
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Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for 1st of April to me :-) -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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"David in Normandy" wrote in message ... Broadback says... Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for 1st of April to me :-) A quick bit of googling suggests that since 1st Jan buses operating on routes in excess of 30 miles must be fitted with a tachograph and ensure that drivers take adequate breaks. No problem there, it's only what coach operators already have to observe; but skinflint bus companies don't want to play ball, so they terminate services or force passengers to get off as described Complain to the bus company. And complain to the Sun, Telegraph, Mail etc. for not explaining the facts behind the case. |
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In article , "OG" writes: | | A quick bit of googling suggests that since 1st Jan buses operating on | routes in excess of 30 miles must be fitted with a tachograph and ensure | that drivers take adequate breaks. No problem there, it's only what coach | operators already have to observe; but skinflint bus companies don't want | to play ball, so they terminate services or force passengers to get off as | described | | Complain to the bus company. | | And complain to the Sun, Telegraph, Mail etc. for not explaining the facts | behind the case. So I was maligning Whitehall - they were merely being naive to the point of negligence, by writing regulations that invite such abuse! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E |
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On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Broadback wrote: Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them first as they are quite large and very hard!!!! Judith Hi Judith, Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown over! Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year Calvados before bed... I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E |
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On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote: Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them first as they are quite large and very hard!!!! Judith |
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says... Broadback says... Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for 1st of April to me :-) No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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Pridham writes In article , says... Broadback says... Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Sounds like the sort of thing that a letter to your local MP with copy to the local press and TV station will work wonders on. Almost certainly the fault lies with Whitehall producing a gold plated completely insane version of whatever Brussels actually specified. Does this rule applied in France? Even if it did do you really think they would follow it or enforce it? First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for 1st of April to me :-) No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft Time to write to your MP. That is what they are there for. Regards, -- Martin Brown -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery
Davis" wrote: snip I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them to do their own thing. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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says... In article , Charlie Pridham writes: | In article , | says... | Broadback says... | Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here | and I would like a little information. | The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling | over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can | reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is | that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have | shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a | number of small communities no longer have a bus service. | Does this rule applied in France? | | First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for | 1st of April to me :-) | | No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to | buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then | get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft But damn-all to do with the EU .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. Well perhaps not, though I do think they could be a lot clearer what they intend measures to do and be much clearer about what is not meant or intended. But in this case I smell a bus company rat, they seem to have used a minor regulation to get three fares instead on one out of people! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Broadback wrote: Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them first as they are quite large and very hard!!!! Judith Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around 18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow immediately. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon. Many thanks Sacha. Judith |
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On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery Davis" wrote: snip I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them to do their own thing. Yes, I've always admired the standards, Sacha. Perhaps one day I'll put one in. But I'll stick with the ones on the walls, anyway. I have a terrible time taking out an established plant, and the wisterias put on a beautiful display! -E |
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On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote: Hi Judith, Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown over! What type of trees? Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year Calvados before bed... I know another man who likes Calvados! I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) A word of advice Emery, no drinking Calvados before hacking the Wisteria!! Keep well. Judith cheers, -E |
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On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery Davis" wrote: snip I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them to do their own thing. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy. Judith |
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On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Judith in France wrote: Hi Judith, Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown over! What type of trees? Well, I'll bet you could guess some of them! :) 22 maples (mostly species), 3 beeches, 2 dogwoods, a Pocket Handkerchief tree, a weeping crab apple, a Tupelo, a willow, a rowan and a szechuan poplar. Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year Calvados before bed... I know another man who likes Calvados! I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) A word of advice Emery, no drinking Calvados before hacking the Wisteria!! Keep well. No, I am not one of those who takes a calvados with the morning coffee! Strictly after dinner for me, and even then not that frequently. cheers, -E |
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, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery Davis" wrote: snip I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them to do their own thing. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy. Judith It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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, says... On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 22:17, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Broadback wrote: Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them first as they are quite large and very hard!!!! Judith Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around 18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow immediately. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon. Many thanks Sacha. Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a difference. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 26/3/08 10:52, in article , "Emery
Davis" wrote: Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery Davis" wrote: snip I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them to do their own thing. Yes, I've always admired the standards, Sacha. Perhaps one day I'll put one in. But I'll stick with the ones on the walls, anyway. I have a terrible time taking out an established plant, and the wisterias put on a beautiful display! -E Oh yes, I wasn't suggesting getting rid of the one you've got. They are a bit of a pain if you let them get into guttering, tiles etc. but a good one is a thing of great beauty. The Garden House has one growing along the hand rails of a bridge and it looks really wonderful. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4- , says... On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 22:17, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Broadback wrote: Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them first as they are quite large and very hard!!!! Judith Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around 18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow immediately. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon. Many thanks Sacha. Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a difference. You and your Green Thumb! ;-) Most people seem to complain their wisteria hasn't flowered - ever. It turns out to be a non-grafted one. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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says... On 26/3/08 11:51, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4- , says... On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 22:17, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Broadback wrote: Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them first as they are quite large and very hard!!!! Judith Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around 18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow immediately. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On Mar 26, 10:38*am, Charlie Pridham
wrote: In article , says... In article , Charlie Pridham writes: | In article , | says... | Broadback says... | Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here | and I would like a little information. | The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling | over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can | reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is | that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have | shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a | number of small communities no longer have a bus service. | Does this rule applied in France? | | First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for | 1st of April to me :-) | | No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to | buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then | get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft But damn-all to do with the EU .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. Well perhaps not, though I do think they could be a lot clearer what they intend measures to do and be much clearer about what is not meant or intended. But in this case I smell a bus company rat, they seem to have used a minor regulation to get three fares instead on one out of people! Most of all, they have found a way around having to incur the expense of providing the legally required safety measures (i.e. fitting the tachograph and paying their drivers while on break)... These measures were aimed at improving safety for the public using the bus services. Finding a loophole to avoid having to improve safety for their customers reflects far worse on the bus companies (British or otherwise) than it does on the law makers, be they the Brussels originators, or the national translators of the EU law into national legal measures. Cat(h) |
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On 26/3/08 13:27, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 26/3/08 13:48, in article
, "Cat(h)" wrote: On Mar 26, 10:38*am, Charlie Pridham wrote: In article , says... In article , Charlie Pridham writes: | In article , | says... | Broadback says... | Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here | and I would like a little information. | The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling | over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can | reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is | that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have | shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a | number of small communities no longer have a bus service. | Does this rule applied in France? | | First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for | 1st of April to me :-) | | No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to | buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then | get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft But damn-all to do with the EU .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. Well perhaps not, though I do think they could be a lot clearer what they intend measures to do and be much clearer about what is not meant or intended. But in this case I smell a bus company rat, they seem to have used a minor regulation to get three fares instead on one out of people! Most of all, they have found a way around having to incur the expense of providing the legally required safety measures (i.e. fitting the tachograph and paying their drivers while on break)... These measures were aimed at improving safety for the public using the bus services. Finding a loophole to avoid having to improve safety for their customers reflects far worse on the bus companies (British or otherwise) than it does on the law makers, be they the Brussels originators, or the national translators of the EU law into national legal measures. Cat(h) An extract from today's Western Morning News: "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles part way through their journey because of EU rules. Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in one go. Passengers on some routes must get on and off their bus, sometimes twice, to prevent bus operators from prosecution. Operators in Cornwall have condemned the new rule brought in last April as "idiotic" and have called for Whitehall to step in. Western Greyhound, based in Newquay, has been forced to split its Newquay to Plymouth service into three sections. Although one driver is used throughout the trip, passengers have to buy three tickets and break their journey twice." -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On Mar 26, 11:49 am, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 10:54, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery Davis" wrote: snip I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them to do their own thing. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy. Judith It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc? Judith |
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On Mar 26, 11:06 am, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote: On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Judith in France wrote: Hi Judith, Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown over! What type of trees? Well, I'll bet you could guess some of them! :) 22 maples (mostly species), 3 beeches, 2 dogwoods, a Pocket Handkerchief tree, a weeping crab apple, a Tupelo, a willow, a rowan and a szechuan poplar. Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year Calvados before bed... I know another man who likes Calvados! I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) A word of advice Emery, no drinking Calvados before hacking the Wisteria!! Keep well. No, I am not one of those who takes a calvados with the morning coffee! Strictly after dinner for me, and even then not that frequently. cheers, -E Like the trees Emery, have you got any pics of your garden? I won't be seeing you in the Tabac/Bar then before 8a.m.with a little poodle under one arm, a paper under the other and a glass of Calvados? :-) Judith |
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On Mar 26, 12:29 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 11:51, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4- , says... On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 22:17, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Broadback wrote: Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here and I would like a little information. The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a number of small communities no longer have a bus service. Does this rule applied in France? No public buses around here! But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the only rule is "Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take a 15 minute break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO! -E Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them first as they are quite large and very hard!!!! Judith Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around 18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow immediately. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon. Many thanks Sacha. Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a difference. You and your Green Thumb! ;-) Most people seem to complain their wisteria hasn't flowered - ever. It turns out to be a non-grafted one. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Charlie's green thumb is legendary!!!! Mine is improving bit by bit each year but I am not in the class or anywhere near it of the majority of posters here. Judith |
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On 26/3/08 15:25, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 26, 11:49 am, Sacha wrote: On 26/3/08 10:54, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote: On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery Davis" wrote: snip I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant grafted. I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers, but lots of time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a few years ago, but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary spine compression. Now I'm a little more careful! ;) cheers, -E You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them to do their own thing. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy. Judith It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc? Judith Up to the individual but I should think ours is about 5'. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 26/3/08 15:29, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 26, 12:29 pm, Sacha wrote: On 26/3/08 11:51, in article , snip You and your Green Thumb! ;-) Most people seem to complain their wisteria hasn't flowered - ever. It turns out to be a non-grafted one. Charlie's green thumb is legendary!!!! Mine is improving bit by bit each year but I am not in the class or anywhere near it of the majority of posters here. Judith I sometimes think mine is a deep Black and then I have a success and cheer up again! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In article , Sacha writes: | On 26/3/08 15:25, in article | , "Judith | in France" wrote: | | Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc? | | Up to the individual but I should think ours is about 5'. Below about 3' would look a bit silly, unless it was also dwarfed (as in bonsai). My guess is that a semi-dwarfed one of 2' would look OK. Above about 6' is unwieldy. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 26/3/08 16:28, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 26/3/08 15:25, in article | , "Judith | in France" wrote: | | Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc? | | Up to the individual but I should think ours is about 5'. Below about 3' would look a bit silly, unless it was also dwarfed (as in bonsai). My guess is that a semi-dwarfed one of 2' would look OK. Above about 6' is unwieldy. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Well, of course, the higher the pole, the longer it will take for the Wisteria to do its 'sweeping to the ground' thing! And of course, wind knocking it over if it's too high has to be taken in account. Personally, I'd say 5'. Much lower than that and you might as well let it just scramble through a bed on its own. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In article , Sacha writes: | | Well, of course, the higher the pole, the longer it will take for the | Wisteria to do its 'sweeping to the ground' thing! And of course, wind | knocking it over if it's too high has to be taken in account. Personally, | I'd say 5'. Much lower than that and you might as well let it just scramble | through a bed on its own. I have seen pictures of ones about 3' high on a patio, and they looked fine. But they were very carefully pruned to flower from near the top. But I am not disagreeing that 5' is a very good height for one! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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In message , Sacha
writes On 26/3/08 13:48, in article , "Cat(h)" wrote: On Mar 26, 10:38*am, Charlie Pridham wrote: In article , says... In article , Charlie Pridham writes: | In article , | says... | Broadback says... | Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here | and I would like a little information. | The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses | | over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can | reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is | that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 | | shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a | number of small communities no longer have a bus service. | Does this rule applied in France? | | First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for | 1st of April to me :-) | | No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to | buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then | get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft But damn-all to do with the EU .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. Well perhaps not, though I do think they could be a lot clearer what they intend measures to do and be much clearer about what is not meant or intended. But in this case I smell a bus company rat, they seem to have used a minor regulation to get three fares instead on one out of people! Most of all, they have found a way around having to incur the expense of providing the legally required safety measures (i.e. fitting the tachograph and paying their drivers while on break)... These measures were aimed at improving safety for the public using the bus services. Finding a loophole to avoid having to improve safety for their customers reflects far worse on the bus companies (British or otherwise) than it does on the law makers, be they the Brussels originators, or the national translators of the EU law into national legal measures. Cat(h) An extract from today's Western Morning News: "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles part way through their journey because of EU rules. Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in one go. Passengers on some routes must get on and off their bus, sometimes twice, to prevent bus operators from prosecution. Operators in Cornwall have condemned the new rule brought in last April as "idiotic" and have called for Whitehall to step in. Western Greyhound, based in Newquay, has been forced to split its Newquay to Plymouth service into three sections. Although one driver is used throughout the trip, passengers have to buy three tickets and break their journey twice." Has anyone an explanation as to how the bus company justifies going from a restriction on drivers travelling more than 30 miles without a break to requiring passengers to disembark and to purchase multiple tickets? -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | Has anyone an explanation as to how the bus company justifies going from | a restriction on drivers travelling more than 30 miles without a break | to requiring passengers to disembark and to purchase multiple tickets? It's almost certainly the installation of the tachygraph that they don't want to do. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 26/3/08 18:12, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 26/3/08 13:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: snip That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden. Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent. Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by 100 and still not have enough Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people and find none of heard of it. Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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