I've just read about this one in Hyams's book and it's a new one to me. Is
anyone growing it? He loved it for its thorns!
http://woodlandrosegarden.com/latest...0pteracantha%2
02005-05-22%200002.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
I've just read about this one in Hyams's book and it's a new one to me.
Is
anyone growing it? He loved it for its thorns!
http://woodlandrosegarden.com/latest...0pteracantha%2
02005-05-22%200002.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


I don't grow this one, but I've known about it for a long time. I've often
thought of using it to supplement patchy areas in my pyracantha hedge. It
would give the burglar something to think about!

Incidentally, I couldn't raise your link. Don't know why. Fortunately,
there is a picture of this rose in my brain. :~)

Spider

On 16/9/08 17:10, in article , "Spider"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
I've just read about this one in Hyams's book and it's a new one to me.
Is
anyone growing it? He loved it for its thorns!
http://woodlandrosegarden.com/latest...0pteracantha%2
02005-05-22%200002.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


I don't grow this one, but I've known about it for a long time. I've often
thought of using it to supplement patchy areas in my pyracantha hedge. It
would give the burglar something to think about!

Incidentally, I couldn't raise your link. Don't know why. Fortunately,
there is a picture of this rose in my brain. :~)

Spider


I think the sun shining through the thorns looks beautiful but Ray's not too
keen on it. I think he envisages clients and their ankle biters being
impaled!
And thinking of spiders, we think - well I do, he's indifferent! - that Ray
was bitten on the lip by a spider yesterday. He didn't feel a thing, it
didn't itch and it didn't hurt. But it swelled up like nobody's business,
very quickly and then the area went as numb as if he'd had a dentist's
injection. I took him to the local cottage hospital and then to the doctor
at their insistence. Nobody could be sure what it was and Piriton seems to
have helped it go down. But looking at the inside of his lip today I can
see two small parallel 'cuts'. My guess is that he brushed his hand against
his mouth and that either there was a spider on his hand or his mouth and it
reacted accordingly! Do you know of a spider that would enjoy living on
trays of laurel plugs in a nice warm tunnel and that would have that effect
if it bit someone? ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 16/9/08 17:10, in article , "Spider"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
I've just read about this one in Hyams's book and it's a new one to me.
Is
anyone growing it? He loved it for its thorns!
http://woodlandrosegarden.com/latest...0pteracantha%2
02005-05-22%200002.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


I don't grow this one, but I've known about it for a long time. I've
often
thought of using it to supplement patchy areas in my pyracantha hedge.
It
would give the burglar something to think about!

Incidentally, I couldn't raise your link. Don't know why. Fortunately,
there is a picture of this rose in my brain. :~)

Spider


I think the sun shining through the thorns looks beautiful but Ray's not
too
keen on it. I think he envisages clients and their ankle biters being
impaled!
And thinking of spiders, we think - well I do, he's indifferent! - that
Ray
was bitten on the lip by a spider yesterday. He didn't feel a thing, it
didn't itch and it didn't hurt. But it swelled up like nobody's business,
very quickly and then the area went as numb as if he'd had a dentist's
injection. I took him to the local cottage hospital and then to the
doctor
at their insistence. Nobody could be sure what it was and Piriton seems
to
have helped it go down. But looking at the inside of his lip today I can
see two small parallel 'cuts'. My guess is that he brushed his hand
against
his mouth and that either there was a spider on his hand or his mouth and
it
reacted accordingly! Do you know of a spider that would enjoy living on
trays of laurel plugs in a nice warm tunnel and that would have that
effect
if it bit someone? ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


Mmmm. I can't think of a specific spider, but it would have to be a fairly
chunky beast to pierce human tissue. I have heard of Dysdera crocata biting
people, but it prefers woodlice. Sorry Ray! :~)) My Richard was once
bitten by an Amaurobius ferox (where 'ferox' means fierce!), and I think he
was also bitten by a Tegenaria gigantea on a separate occasion. All
Theridiids have strong venom (the U.S. Black Widow, Latrodectus mactans is a
Theridiid), but there are not many big enough in this country to bite a
human ... as far as I know. Pity you didn't see the varmint. Have a look
in the poly tunnel and see what you find ... it may very well have a
friend. Yes, I know, you probably aren't it!!

Most spider venom is some form of neurotoxin. It is worth knowing that the
more you move about - well, let's be honest, prey insects struggle! - the
more quickly the venom works. The good news is that scientists are
studying spider venom as a potential treatment for stroke victims, so it has
its uses.

Spider

Spider writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
I've just read about this one in Hyams's book and it's a new one to me.
Is
anyone growing it? He loved it for its thorns!
http://woodlandrosegarden.com/latest...0pteracantha%2
02005-05-22%200002.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


I don't grow this one, but I've known about it for a long time. I've often
thought of using it to supplement patchy areas in my pyracantha hedge. It
would give the burglar something to think about!

Incidentally, I couldn't raise your link. Don't know why. Fortunately,
there is a picture of this rose in my brain. :~)

It's an interesting rose. IIRC, the flowers are 4-petalled, and the
thorns on young shoots glow red with the light behind them. But I've
never felt it's particularly threatening compared to a pyracantha - or
even to a good tangle of R rugosa.
--
Kay

"K" wrote in message
...
Spider writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
. ..
I've just read about this one in Hyams's book and it's a new one to me.
Is
anyone growing it? He loved it for its thorns!
http://woodlandrosegarden.com/latest...0pteracantha%2
02005-05-22%200002.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


I don't grow this one, but I've known about it for a long time. I've
often
thought of using it to supplement patchy areas in my pyracantha hedge. It
would give the burglar something to think about!

Incidentally, I couldn't raise your link. Don't know why. Fortunately,
there is a picture of this rose in my brain. :~)

It's an interesting rose. IIRC, the flowers are 4-petalled, and the thorns
on young shoots glow red with the light behind them. But I've never felt
it's particularly threatening compared to a pyracantha - or even to a good
tangle of R rugosa.
--
Kay

Yes, Kay, I'm not sure I'd use it on its own as hedging, but it would
supplement a hedge most effectively. As you say, it's lovely with the light
behind it. I've never seen one growing, so don't know if it would make a
handsome specimen plant.

Spider

Spider writes


Yes, Kay, I'm not sure I'd use it on its own as hedging, but it would
supplement a hedge most effectively. As you say, it's lovely with the light
behind it. I've never seen one growing, so don't know if it would make a
handsome specimen plant.

Probably not - general rambling rose habit.
--
Kay

On 16/9/08 17:59, in article , "Spider"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 16/9/08 17:10, in article , "Spider"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
I've just read about this one in Hyams's book and it's a new one to me.
Is
anyone growing it? He loved it for its thorns!

http://woodlandrosegarden.com/latest_photos/rosa%20omeiensis%20pteracantha%
2
02005-05-22%200002.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


I don't grow this one, but I've known about it for a long time. I've
often
thought of using it to supplement patchy areas in my pyracantha hedge.
It
would give the burglar something to think about!

Incidentally, I couldn't raise your link. Don't know why. Fortunately,
there is a picture of this rose in my brain. :~)

Spider


I think the sun shining through the thorns looks beautiful but Ray's not
too
keen on it. I think he envisages clients and their ankle biters being
impaled!
And thinking of spiders, we think - well I do, he's indifferent! - that
Ray
was bitten on the lip by a spider yesterday. He didn't feel a thing, it
didn't itch and it didn't hurt. But it swelled up like nobody's business,
very quickly and then the area went as numb as if he'd had a dentist's
injection. I took him to the local cottage hospital and then to the
doctor
at their insistence. Nobody could be sure what it was and Piriton seems
to
have helped it go down. But looking at the inside of his lip today I can
see two small parallel 'cuts'. My guess is that he brushed his hand
against
his mouth and that either there was a spider on his hand or his mouth and
it
reacted accordingly! Do you know of a spider that would enjoy living on
trays of laurel plugs in a nice warm tunnel and that would have that
effect
if it bit someone? ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)


Mmmm. I can't think of a specific spider, but it would have to be a fairly
chunky beast to pierce human tissue. I have heard of Dysdera crocata biting
people, but it prefers woodlice. Sorry Ray! :~)) My Richard was once
bitten by an Amaurobius ferox (where 'ferox' means fierce!), and I think he
was also bitten by a Tegenaria gigantea on a separate occasion. All
Theridiids have strong venom (the U.S. Black Widow, Latrodectus mactans is a
Theridiid), but there are not many big enough in this country to bite a
human ... as far as I know. Pity you didn't see the varmint. Have a look
in the poly tunnel and see what you find ... it may very well have a
friend. Yes, I know, you probably aren't it!!

No, I'm not! I was extremely cautious around that potting bench today, I
can tell you. But no, he didn't see or feel anything. That is what is so
peculiar. He's pretty hardy and not given to wimping out over anything but
not feeling anything at all, given the swelling and reaction is most
peculiar. All he was doing was potting on some laurel plugs that had been
raised here. They'd been in a polytunnel and brought down into the big
double greenhouse, if you remember that one (where the till is!) and that
was it, really.

Most spider venom is some form of neurotoxin. It is worth knowing that the
more you move about - well, let's be honest, prey insects struggle! - the
more quickly the venom works.

Nope - no struggle from the prey. He didn't realise it had happened until
his lower lip started to go numb! I insisted we visit the medics because
swollen mouths are quite close to potentially swollen throats.

The good news is that scientists are
studying spider venom as a potential treatment for stroke victims, so it has
its uses.

Oh that does reassure me.......



--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

It makes a super specimen plant - in fact, it is better grown that way in a garden so that the thorns can be seen properly.

Rather more British species of spider can give you a bite than is commonly realised, and these include some very common and familiar species.

In general, the cupboard spider is the most likely spider to give you a nasty nip in a domestic location in Britain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steatoda_grossa
But in the SW, perhaps it is more likely to be the suitably named biting spider, a close relative accidentally introduced from the Canaries in the late 19th century, which has become widespread and common in the SW, and is spreading, and happy to live around our houses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steatoda_nobilis

Even common house spiders, small and large (Tegenaria spp), can bite you, as can the garden spider (Araneus diadematus), though they are unlikely to do so, and rarely very painful, though of course anyone can have a sensitivity or allergy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegenaria_domestica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegenaria_gigantea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_Spider

Out in the countryside, there's a Cheirachanthium with a nasty bite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheiracanthium found in Britain, and the water spider Argyroneta aquatica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_spider also bites.

In fact I rather suspect that most of larger spiders in this country can bite humans, even if they rarely do so, in addition to the noted smaller biters. Probably the beautiful wasp spider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argiope_bruennichi can bite, though that is not why it has its name. It's rare in this country and confined to the south, but getting more common. Certainly many of its relatives bite, including the silver Argiope which is well known as a biter in the Americas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argiope_argentata

On 17/9/08 16:22, in article ,
"echinosum" wrote:


'Sacha[_3_ Wrote:
;816020']And thinking of spiders, we think - well I do, he's
indifferent! - that Ray was bitten on the lip by a spider yesterday.
He didn't feel a thing, it didn't itch and it didn't hurt. But it
swelled up like nobody's business, very quickly and then the area went
as numb as if he'd had a dentist's injection. I took him to the local
cottage hospital and then to the doctor at their insistence. Nobody
could be sure what it was and Piriton seems to have helped it go down.
Rather more British species of spider can give you a bite than is
commonly realised, and these include some very common and familiar
species.

In general, the cupboard spider is the most likely spider to give you a
nasty nip in a domestic location in Britain
http://tinyurl.com/5no5wo
But in the SW, perhaps it is more likely to be the suitably named
biting spider, a close relative accidentally introduced from the
Canaries in the late 19th century, which has become widespread and
common in the SW, and is spreading, and happy to live around our
houses:
http://tinyurl.com/47jg7s

Even common house spiders, small and large (Tegenaria spp), can bite
you, as can the garden spider (Araneus diadematus), though they are
unlikely to do so, and rarely very painful, though of course anyone can
have a sensitivity or allergy.
http://tinyurl.com/5owuzh
http://tinyurl.com/6bvf3f
http://tinyurl.com/5jvow3

Out in the countryside, there's a Cheirachanthium with a nasty bite
http://tinyurl.com/57qw56 found in Britain, and the water spider
Argyroneta aquatica http://tinyurl.com/5ty88u also bites.

In fact I rather suspect that most of larger spiders in this country
can bite humans, even if they rarely do so, in addition to the noted
smaller biters. Probably the beautiful wasp spider
http://tinyurl.com/6oavdt can bite, though that is not why it has its
name. It's rare in this country and confined to the south, but getting
more common. Certainly many of its relatives bite, including the silver
Argiope which is well known as a biter in the Americas.
http://tinyurl.com/5bbmma



Thank you, even if I am still shuddering. ;-( I do wish he'd seen
whatever-it-was so we could be sure. I'm more and more inclined towards
thinking it must have been a spider. And just today, my step daughter who
lives mere minutes from us by car, tells me she found a spider in her house
last night that was so large she could actually see the mandibles, if that's
the correct word. She has spent plenty of time in Kenya in the past and
like her Pa she's fairly bomb proof when it comes to spiders but even she
was horrified by this one and it's now an ex-spider, I'm afraid.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)