"Sheldon" wrote
Ed wrote:
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?


Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at
all.
There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted)
although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sheldon" wrote:

Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

"Steve Young" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Sheldon" �wrote:
Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.
Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. �There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. �Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. �What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't
really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it
seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant
planting very recently, like now, as in this fall. I don't grow
garlic anymore (used to), haven't for like five years now because my
next door neighbor grows garlic and onions in great quantity, like 500
pounds of each, he supplies the entire neighborhood and attends the
local garlic festivals. I used to grow garlic in sets of 100, not a
lot but was more than enough for me and to share. I only take like
6-10 heads from my neighbor because I don't use it up fast enough and
it's a shame to let it rot, but I take 20 pounds of red and yellow
onions and 20 pounds of his spuds, russets and Yukon golds. Anyway,
my neighbor is a real garlic maven, he has quite an operation, grown
in very neat raised beds filled with soil he is constantly amending
with all sorts of composted manures, leaves, and a huge variety of
plant waste. I've learned a lot more about garlic growing from him
than I already knew. One thing he is very careful about is watching
the weather (I assume all agri people do) so he'll know the most
advantageous time to plant. He waits until we've had a few light
frosts and then plants as close as he can to four weeks prior to the
first hard frost. He mulches heavily with straw (about 8") that's
held down from wind with plastic deer fencing, which also keeps birds
off. He already has his garlic planted, this is the sixth season
since I've lived here and I've never seen any of his garlic sprout
before spring... you can set your clock on its sprouting because it
sends up green on the same day as daffodils. I don't know about
growing garlic in warm climes but here in NY's northern Catskill
region (zone 5/6) if garlic is planted too early prior to the first
hard frost it will sprout, and if sunlight can get to the sprouts it
will grow very rapidly, especially if there're a few day's warm
spell.

I have a clear view of his garlic bed from my window as I sit he
http://i36.tinypic.com/14lmx7b.jpg

A little far, let's try with tele:
http://i36.tinypic.com/wit2s8.jpg

On 03/11/08 15:33, Sheldon wrote:
"Steve Young" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Sheldon" �wrote:
Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.
Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. �There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.
Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. �Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. �What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't
really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it
seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant
planting very recently, like now, as in this fall.


Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

Ed
(Herts, UK)

Ed ex@directory wrote:

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

It matters, but not hugely. The cloves will have wasted energy producing
tops that get damaged. Unless the damage is so severe/frequent that the
cloves run out of stored food, you'll still get a crop, albeit reduced
somewhat.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On Nov 4, 5:08�am, Ed ex@directory wrote:
On 03/11/08 15:33, Sheldon wrote:





"Steve Young" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Sheldon" wrote:
Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.
Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.
Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't
really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it
seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant
planting very recently, like now, as in this fall.

Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Cheerio and all that...

"Sheldon" wrote
Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of
yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has
no relevance for the UK and the OP at all.
Then you persist in blaming everyone else and
twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly
diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post
you confirm my thoughts about you.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

On 04/11/08 17:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote
Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

There is no problem in cross posting. It's a great way of getting
informed opinion and experience across the board.

And hey, Hertfordshire is no slum.. Its a rich county outside of London.


And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of
yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has
no relevance for the UK and the OP at all.
Then you persist in blaming everyone else and
twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly
diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post
you confirm my thoughts about you.

"Bob Hobden" wrote:

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours.

The only ignorance is in if one desires to keep it pure UK is DON'T
CROSSPOST.

I got yer UK... GO ****ITH THYSELF! G

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

In article ,
"Bob Hobden" wrote:

"Sheldon" wrote
Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of
yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has
no relevance for the UK and the OP at all.
Then you persist in blaming everyone else and
twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly
diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post
you confirm my thoughts about you.

I apologize. Shelly really isn't one of us. He would rather be a jack
booted Israeli chasing Palestinian children around with a tank. If
you want to come and take him and give him a good hiding, we will
all understand.

Sincerely yours,
--

Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net

"Steve Young" wrote
"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sheldon" wrote:

Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want
decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are
usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets
very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing,
an
unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting.
It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots
are
established. Not a good thing.

To Steve and Sheldon. This is a UK newsgroup and over here we don't get
your sort of winters, this is a maritime climate not a continental type
climate so we get perhaps a frost then some rain them some sun and the
temperature goes up so you work in your shirt. Sometimes in a week sometimes
all that in one day. So any garlic planted in the autumn will sprout in a UK
garden and in most winters will continue to grow through the winter. To get
garlic to sprout in the spring over here you would have to plant in the
spring.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

"Bob Hobden" wrote:

To Steve and Sheldon. �This is a UK newsgroup

Actually this thread was CROSSPOSTED to three different Newsgroups
(uk.rec.gardening, rec.gardens, rec.gardens.edible). Usenet is
international, but had the OP wanted to keep his query UK sensitive he
should not have crossposted. And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

Sheldon wrote:

And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

On behalf of U.S. gardeners not too far north of Sheldon, I wish to
apologise. People ought not to AssUMe.
I did notice the crossposting, though most of the information is
international. The climate in the UK is _different_ than mine, which I'll
have pointed out in February when you folks have spring flowers, and I'm on
first-name terms with the fuel oil delivery man!
FWIW, my garlic sprouts at the same time as the crocus, though I will be
using some hay mulch this winter, which will likely delay it a bit.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

"Gary Woods" wrote after
Sheldon wrote:

And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

On behalf of U.S. gardeners not too far north of Sheldon, I wish to
apologise. People ought not to AssUMe.
I did notice the crossposting, though most of the information is
international. The climate in the UK is _different_ than mine, which I'll
have pointed out in February when you folks have spring flowers, and I'm
on
first-name terms with the fuel oil delivery man!
FWIW, my garlic sprouts at the same time as the crocus, though I will be
using some hay mulch this winter, which will likely delay it a bit.

No need to apologise, it was just a mistake on both sides.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

"Sheldon" wrote ...
"Bob Hobden" wrote:

To Steve and Sheldon. ?This is a UK newsgroup

Actually this thread was CROSSPOSTED to three different Newsgroups
(uk.rec.gardening, rec.gardens, rec.gardens.edible). Usenet is
international, but had the OP wanted to keep his query UK sensitive he
should not have crossposted. And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

No I am certainly not a "newbie" either as a gardener or on Usenet.
Just didn't notice the crossposting, like you didn't notice the original
posters locale and proceeded to be adamant about a way of growing garlic for
your totally different/foreign conditions. So we both got caught out.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden