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wrote in message ... In article , Christina Websell wrote: wrote in message ... Well, given that most current cosmology would be rejected from a fiction competition on the grounds of insufficient plausibility, I am disinclined to criticise anyone for choosing an arbitrarily different figure. I am not inclined to believe him, either, of course. This is beautiful. I'm going to send it to my German friend, she thinks she understands English. Until she saw this ;-) LOL Well, I am a professional pedant :-) Long may you reign. I've been accused of being pedantic myself. Pedants are important. |
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from "Christina Websell" contains these words: "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... Well, given that most current cosmology would be rejected from a fiction competition on the grounds of insufficient plausibility, I am disinclined to criticise anyone for choosing an arbitrarily different figure. I am not inclined to believe him, either, of course. This is beautiful. I'm going to send it to my German friend, she thinks she understands English. Until she saw this ;-) LOL The way I put the sentiment is that any sufficiently advanced physics is indistinguishable from nonsense. (Tip of the hat to Sir Arthur.) Oh, stop it! I'm afraid the whole thing is going far too fast for that, and you're not allowed to get off, either. -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
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from "Christina Websell" contains these words: Long may you reign. I've been accused of being pedantic myself. Pedants are important. I beg your pard^h^h^oh! As you were - IMPORTANT... -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
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Rusty_Hinge wrote: Yes :-) Actually, that's not the thing that annoys me most about the cosmologists - it's the way that all their evidence depends on a very complicated analysis of the data, which can only be done by assuming their hypothesis! It's tortoises all the way down .... While I haven't had the time to look, ITYF it's turtles... Yes, but you know how much the average person knows about zoology! We have damn-all direct evidence of general relativity at high space- time stresses, or even that the red shift is due to recession, Well, it's a good starting-point. Recession creates unemployment, unemployment results in a lot of ungruntled ex-employees, many of whom shift to the red... You have the methods of cosmological proof down to a T. and there are alternative hypotheses that are mathematically consistent and compatible with known physics. Yes, they're probably wrong, but that doesn't prove the current hypotheses are right. Do these admit the existence of trolls? Ah. Now, THERE, we have observational evidence. As Einstein didn't quite say, any theory that doesn't admit the existence of trolls has to be discounted. And Hawking has said that his theories do admit them. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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says... The message from "Christina Websell" contains these words: Long may you reign. I've been accused of being pedantic myself. Pedants are important. I beg your pard^h^h^oh! As you were - IMPORTANT... There we are Mike we have proved that at least one group of people are important :~) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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-- .................................................. .............. "Charlie Pridham" wrote in message T... In article , says... The message from "Christina Websell" contains these words: Long may you reign. I've been accused of being pedantic myself. Pedants are important. I beg your pard^h^h^oh! As you were - IMPORTANT... There we are Mike we have proved that at least one group of people are important :~) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea I think even more people should be impotent. Some should not be allowed to vote or breed. |
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On Feb 20, 9:10*am, "'Mike'" wrote:
I think even more people should be impotent. Some should not be allowed to vote or breed.- Quite right! I am prepared to take over the voting and breeding duties of anybody that you feel is not fit! |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: We have damn-all direct evidence of general relativity at high space- time stresses, or even that the red shift is due to recession I disagree with the position that there is a bright line between observation and inference, Eh? I never claimed there was one. I was drawing a (blurred) distinction between direct and indirect evidence - where the former rests on a basis of only theories themselves established by direct evidence, culminating in actual measurements. but I presume that you consider the various standard candle techniques, the correlation between luminosity and redshift, and the variation of galaxy morphology with redshift to be indirect evidence. Of course, because they are. Would the light echo of SN 1987A be the greatest distance that you accept as directly measured? I would need to study the paper in detail, to see whether it relies on any so-far-unproven hypotheses. This is off-group, so will be my penultimate post. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Martin Brown wrote: Standard candles that can be seen at great distances are pretty well understood these days. And lots of amateurs keep regular watch. Their standardness is all based on indirect evidence. For example, cosmologists believe that the laws of physics settled down only shortly after the big bang, so why are we assuming that all physical constants are the same across all space and time since then? We have damn-all direct evidence of general relativity at high space- time stresses, Actually we do have some pretty good examples in the millisecond pulsars for instance. Shortly after the first discovery of a binary ms pulsar an error was found in the FORTRAN converter of the early VSOP computer algebra generated planetary ephemeris thanks to a systematic error in the GR predicted delay observed when the signals passed near to Jupiter. The spin down rate matches the GR predictions very nicely. That is LOW space-time stresses, not enough to distinguish Einstein's formula from several others. there are alternative hypotheses that are mathematically consistent and compatible with known physics. Yes, they're probably wrong, but that doesn't prove the current hypotheses are right. Indeed. But the evidence for a Big Bang cosmology is pretty compelling. There are very few die hard Steady Staters remaining these days. Why assume that is the only alternative? There are several variants of the big bang that would enable wildly different ages for the universe. This will be my last post on this topic! Anyone who wants me to respond further should send Email. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"'Mike'" wrote... What will your garden look like in 2,000,000 (2 Million) years time? (The Earth is reputed to be 36,000,000,000 years old. That is 36 Thousand Million) Just think, how important are you really? ........ ;-) If the worlds population keeps breeding like it is then I don't see a world then. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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-- .................................................. .............. "Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "'Mike'" wrote... What will your garden look like in 2,000,000 (2 Million) years time? (The Earth is reputed to be 36,000,000,000 years old. That is 36 Thousand Million) Just think, how important are you really? ........ ;-) If the worlds population keeps breeding like it is then I don't see a world then. -- Regards Bob Hobden I see a World Bob but not with a Human Race in/on it as we know now. Have you seen the time lapse video of a Motorway 'left to nature'? My point is, that so many people think that they are 'so important', but in reality they are like the hand in a bucket of water analogy. Pull your hand out of a bucket of water and a few ripples will appear, but they will soon die down. 'THE IMPORTANT' people, or those who feel they are important, are like that, soon forgotten and not important at all. Historical figures maybe, but who on this/these newsgroups will EVER hit the History books? NONE |
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