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Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing
LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said:
A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice Japanese Anemones do spread rapidly but dig up the ones you don't want. Personally, I'd leave them to do their own thing because I think they're of great value in the garden, especially later in the year. So unless they're smothering other things, can you live with them? -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On May 6, 4:27*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! I put mine up against a North facing wall in the worst clay/soil/ builders rubble imaginable. They increased like wabbits. Every spring I dug out the ones that were sneaking towards the front of the border, potted them up and sold them at boot sales - they were very popular especially when in flower. |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On 2009-05-06 16:45:17 +0100, moghouse said:
On May 6, 4:27*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! I put mine up against a North facing wall in the worst clay/soil/ builders rubble imaginable. They increased like wabbits. Every spring I dug out the ones that were sneaking towards the front of the border, potted them up and sold them at boot sales - they were very popular especially when in flower. I have even resorted to getting someone else to plant them for me, convinced that it's me they won't 'do' for. even that didn't work. We've put them in all sorts of places here but with no luck so now I'm going to do as you suggest and find the most inhospitable place I can and try them there! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
-- "If toddlers can be taught to wait their turn and to say "please" and "thank you," certainly can we reintroduce these phrases back into the adult vernacular?" Sree Pillai 2006 bob wrote in message ... A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice Lily of the Valley grows anywhere and anyone can grow it. We have it spreading from a border into one of the gravel paths. But it is slow growing and a hoe keeps it in control Mike |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
"Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
-- "If toddlers can be taught to wait their turn and to say "please" and "thank you," certainly can we reintroduce these phrases back into the adult vernacular?" Sree Pillai 2006 "Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London Is it the variety? Lilly of the Valley grows as a weed in our garden and is creeping across the gavel path Mike |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:24:52 +0100, "'Mike'"
wrote: Lily of the Valley grows anywhere and anyone can grow it. We have it spreading from a border into one of the gravel paths. But it is slow growing and a hoe keeps it in control Mike Oh well that doesn't sound so alarming. Thanks. |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On Wed, 6 May 2009 16:27:26 +0100, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! It was already here when I arrived so I can't claim to have a gift. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice Japanese Anemones do spread rapidly but dig up the ones you don't want. Personally, I'd leave them to do their own thing because I think they're of great value in the garden, especially later in the year. So unless they're smothering other things, can you live with them? -- You're right, they're attractive and they seem to be amongst the last to leave. I'll just try and keep them within bounds. By the way, they get very tall and floppy, especially after rain. Is there some sort of thingy you would recommend for support. Some time ago I bought (have since lost) a bunch of stiff right-angled plastic-covered wire things with an interlocking hook so you can build several up into a polygon framework. Is there anything more ingenious these days? |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On 2009-05-06 18:07:37 +0100, "Bob Hobden" said:
"Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. Oh, Bob! I'm almost relieved to hear you say that! My only reservation is that I'm sorry for you that you have the same problem! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On 2009-05-06 18:31:49 +0100, bob said:
On Wed, 6 May 2009 16:27:26 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! It was already here when I arrived so I can't claim to have a gift. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice Japanese Anemones do spread rapidly but dig up the ones you don't want. Personally, I'd leave them to do their own thing because I think they're of great value in the garden, especially later in the year. So unless they're smothering other things, can you live with them? -- You're right, they're attractive and they seem to be amongst the last to leave. I'll just try and keep them within bounds. By the way, they get very tall and floppy, especially after rain. Is there some sort of thingy you would recommend for support. Some time ago I bought (have since lost) a bunch of stiff right-angled plastic-covered wire things with an interlocking hook so you can build several up into a polygon framework. Is there anything more ingenious these days? I know the things you mean but I don't know if they're still made or if there's something better around. We don't seem to have that problem with our Japanese anemones - no idea why. Perhaps you could get hold of some pea sticks and jam them into the ground before the new growth really takes over. That way, they'll grow up amongst them and effectively will hide the sticks. -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
Bob Hobden writes
"Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. I don't think I've ever managed to plant it, but it is growing well in my garden. Heavy clay and total shade seems to be the key - under a whitebeam (along with Cyclamen hederifolia), under a Magnolia stellata, and under a japanese maple - though now the maple is spreading, the LoV is trying to escape and reestablish under a weeping crab. This is interesting, because of the two places I know it growing abundantly in the wild, one is a wood, but the other is in clearings on a limestone pavement - about as far from deep shade and heavy clay as you can get! -- Kay |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On 2009-05-06 18:25:02 +0100, bob said:
On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:24:52 +0100, "'Mike'" wrote: Lily of the Valley grows anywhere and anyone can grow it. We have it spreading from a border into one of the gravel paths. But it is slow growing and a hoe keeps it in control Mike Oh well that doesn't sound so alarming. Thanks. Bob, I'm sorry to intervene here but I would caution you about taking gardening advice from this man. He is one of urg's long-time trolls with no gardening knowledge, though he claims his wife (who does not post here) has some. You're being caught up in his current campaign to get attention at any price. Lily of the Valley does NOT grow anywhere by any means. Quite the contrary - some people find it very hard to get established. Having planted over 2 dozen plants here over the last couple of years, we had one solitary flower this year. If ease of growth were the case my husband, a nurseryman of 60 years standing, Bob Hobden, a highly experienced gardener and allotment holder and I, with some years of gardening under my belt, would not be saying how difficult it is for us to grow it in our gardens. You will become accustomed to the people who post here and soon be able to judge the value of their advice for yourself but the above is really, seriously wrong and possibly discouraging to others. Sadly for urg, it's also par for the course from this particular nuisance. -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
bob wrote:
A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. It is slowly invasive and grows in areas where other plants have problems (like under rhododendrons), but I've never seen it crowd out anything else. It flowers early, and a few cut sprigs will scent a room for a day or three. Unless you don't like the scent, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't like it. But if you are worried it is too invasive, then try the variety known as Vic Pawlowski's Gold. Possibly the best variegated leaf of any plant (see photo he http://www.rowdengardens.com/Convall...is%20Gold.jpg). It grows much more slowly than the species, and is said to prefer some sun. Mine grows happily enough in a pot in total shade. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice JA also slowly invasive, but flowers late when there often isn't much else about. It's quite simple to dig up the young plants which appear where you don't want them. -- Jeff |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:24:52 +0100, "'Mike'"
wrote: Lily of the Valley grows anywhere and anyone can grow it. We have it spreading from a border into one of the gravel paths. But it is slow growing and a hoe keeps it in control Mike Oh well that doesn't sound so alarming. Thanks. Bob, I'm sorry to intervene here Well don't. You don't know our garden and sorry, but Lily of the Valley is growing almost as a weed and spreading into the gravel path. Should you to wish your representative to come and witness it, please tell them to email me a suitable date. Anyone else wishing to see Lilly of the Valley growing, almost as a weed, are also invited to come and discuss the matter with my wife, an experienced gardener. Also, anyone else wishing to question anything I report from our garden, is also invited to visit us. We put the kettle on and my wife talks ..... gardens and plants and has over 50 years of gardening experience. A small garden but a wealth of plants and knowledge. Kindest regards to all Mike |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 19:05:40 +0100, Sacha wrote:
Bob, I'm sorry to intervene here but I would caution you about taking gardening advice from this man. He is one of urg's long-time trolls with no gardening knowledge, though he claims his wife (who does not post here) has some. You're being caught up in his current campaign to get attention at any price. Lily of the Valley does NOT grow anywhere by any means. Quite the contrary - some people find it very hard to get established. Having planted over 2 dozen plants here over the last couple of years, we had one solitary flower this year. If ease of growth were the case my husband, a nurseryman of 60 years standing, Bob Hobden, a highly experienced gardener and allotment holder and I, with some years of gardening under my belt, would not be saying how difficult it is for us to grow it in our gardens. You will become accustomed to the people who post here and soon be able to judge the value of their advice for yourself but the above is really, seriously wrong and possibly discouraging to others. Sadly for urg, it's also par for the course from this particular nuisance. Oh, what a pity. Yes, usenet is of its unmoderated nature prone to trollery. Is there any newsgroup that doesn't have at least one troll? I'll take your advice and deny him the oxygen of my attention... |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 19:14:35 +0100, "Jeff Layman"
wrote: bob wrote: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. It is slowly invasive and grows in areas where other plants have problems (like under rhododendrons), but I've never seen it crowd out anything else. It flowers early, and a few cut sprigs will scent a room for a day or three. Unless you don't like the scent, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't like it. But if you are worried it is too invasive, then try the variety known as Vic Pawlowski's Gold. Possibly the best variegated leaf of any plant (see photo he http://www.rowdengardens.com/Convall...is%20Gold.jpg). Thanks for the pic - nice leaf, as you say. I might give it a try at some point . Will certainly suggest it to my friend - perhaps he'll do better with this variety. It grows much more slowly than the species, and is said to prefer some sun. Mine grows happily enough in a pot in total shade. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice JA also slowly invasive, but flowers late when there often isn't much else about. It's quite simple to dig up the young plants which appear where you don't want them. Yes, I've come to terms with the slow invasion and I do appreciate them when they're around. |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
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Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:59:17 +0100, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-05-06 18:31:49 +0100, bob said: On Wed, 6 May 2009 16:27:26 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! It was already here when I arrived so I can't claim to have a gift. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice Japanese Anemones do spread rapidly but dig up the ones you don't want. Personally, I'd leave them to do their own thing because I think they're of great value in the garden, especially later in the year. So unless they're smothering other things, can you live with them? -- You're right, they're attractive and they seem to be amongst the last to leave. I'll just try and keep them within bounds. By the way, they get very tall and floppy, especially after rain. Is there some sort of thingy you would recommend for support. Some time ago I bought (have since lost) a bunch of stiff right-angled plastic-covered wire things with an interlocking hook so you can build several up into a polygon framework. Is there anything more ingenious these days? I know the things you mean but I don't know if they're still made or if there's something better around. We don't seem to have that problem with our Japanese anemones - no idea why. Perhaps you could get hold of some pea sticks and jam them into the ground before the new growth really takes over. That way, they'll grow up amongst them and effectively will hide the sticks. thanks - will improvise something like that. -- |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On Wed, 6 May 2009 19:33:15 +0100, "'Mike'"
wrote: How so terribly terribly sad. 'Mike', I don't wish to offend, and I agree with you, it's depressing when folk become ostracised. Can't you make an effort to reconcile here? I know from so many other ngs how corrosive trollism can be. If everyone's peed off with you, it has to be down to you to accommodate the flow, surely? Anyway, I'll sign off on this for now... |
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Lily of the Valley is picky about where it settles, and I tend to leave it be. If it interferes with something else, then hefty digging out of roots is the only solution I have found - and it immediately sits up and says "Thanks - lovely soft bed for me". Japanese anemone is intolerable! I dug it all out of a largish bed, and am still digging out little offsets. But apart from weedkiller this is the only way I know to get rid of it. The white one seems less invasive than the basic pink. |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:07:37 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. I've also had trouble. I've planted several lots over 20 years in this garden, and still only have a few coming up this year. Pam in Bristol |
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On May 6, 4:48*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-05-06 16:45:17 +0100, moghouse said: On May 6, 4:27*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! I put mine up against a North facing wall in the worst clay/soil/ builders rubble imaginable. They *increased like wabbits. Every spring I dug out the ones that were sneaking towards the front of the border, potted them up and sold them at boot sales - they were very popular especially when in flower. I have even resorted to getting someone else to plant them for me, convinced that it's me they won't 'do' for. *even that didn't work. * We've put them in all sorts of places here but with no luck so now I'm going to do as you suggest and find the most inhospitable place I can and try them there! -- -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon Do you remember? many years ago, when we met, you gave me LOTV? I planted them, loved them, cherished them - all to no avail!!!!! They certainly went green, but they didn't flower and the following year, they only just emerged, the following year - nothing!!!! sob! Judith |
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On 2009-05-06 21:16:53 +0100, Judith in France
said: On May 6, 4:48*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-05-06 16:45:17 +0100, moghouse said : On May 6, 4:27*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-05-06 12:08:46 +0100, bob said: A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishin g LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever ha d and by now, that's quite a few! I put mine up against a North facing wall in the worst clay/soil/ builders rubble imaginable. They *increased like wabbits. Every sprin g I dug out the ones that were sneaking towards the front of the border, potted them up and sold them at boot sales - they were very popular especially when in flower. I have even resorted to getting someone else to plant them for me, convinced that it's me they won't 'do' for. *even that didn't work. * We've put them in all sorts of places here but with no luck so now I'm going to do as you suggest and find the most inhospitable place I can and try them there! -- -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon Do you remember? many years ago, when we met, you gave me LOTV? I planted them, loved them, cherished them - all to no avail!!!!! They certainly went green, but they didn't flower and the following year, they only just emerged, the following year - nothing!!!! sob! Judith I must admit I'd forgotten that. I have tried the white ones and the pink ones and gnash my teeth over both. I think I have bad mojo for them! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
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On 2009-05-06 18:59:20 +0100, K said:
Bob Hobden writes "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. I don't think I've ever managed to plant it, but it is growing well in my garden. Heavy clay and total shade seems to be the key - under a whitebeam (along with Cyclamen hederifolia), under a Magnolia stellata, and under a japanese maple - though now the maple is spreading, the LoV is trying to escape and reestablish under a weeping crab. This is interesting, because of the two places I know it growing abundantly in the wild, one is a wood, but the other is in clearings on a limestone pavement - about as far from deep shade and heavy clay as you can get! That's exactly it - it pleases itself. We have planted it in many different areas of the garden, from deep shade, to part shade, to sun, to good soil, to very shallow stuff that gets no attention etc. A friend of ours has a narrow border in a lot of sun and it is full of LotV which is now migrating across the path and threatening an assault through her front door and up the stairs, as far as I can see. She does nothing to them but enjoy them! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
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"'Mike'" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. Is it the variety? Lilly of the Valley grows as a weed in our garden and is creeping across the gavel path I doubt it, more likely the plant has some specific needs/wants that it doesn't get in our garden. Not having to compete is one possibility. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London |
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friend of ours has a narrow border in a lot of sun and it is full of LotV which is now migrating across the path and threatening an assault through her front door and up the stairs, as far as I can see. She does nothing to them but enjoy them! -- ?????????????? How odd, when I say it, it is lies!!!! Kindest possible regards Mike |
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'Mike' wrote:
A friend of ours has a narrow border in a lot of sun and it is full of LotV which is now migrating across the path and threatening an assault through her front door and up the stairs, as far as I can see. She does nothing to them but enjoy them! -- ?????????????? How odd, when I say it, it is lies!!!! Kindest possible regards Mike With all respect Mike, but what you said was "Lily of the Valley grows anywhere and anyone can grow it", which is very different to the message in Sasha's post. I think you owe the group an apology. |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2009-05-06 18:59:20 +0100, K said: Bob Hobden writes "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. I don't think I've ever managed to plant it, but it is growing well in my garden. Heavy clay and total shade seems to be the key - under a whitebeam (along with Cyclamen hederifolia), under a Magnolia stellata, and under a japanese maple - though now the maple is spreading, the LoV is trying to escape and reestablish under a weeping crab. This is interesting, because of the two places I know it growing abundantly in the wild, one is a wood, but the other is in clearings on a limestone pavement - about as far from deep shade and heavy clay as you can get! That's exactly it - it pleases itself. We have planted it in many different areas of the garden, from deep shade, to part shade, to sun, to good soil, to very shallow stuff that gets no attention etc. A friend of ours has a narrow border in a lot of sun and it is full of LotV which is now migrating across the path and threatening an assault through her front door and up the stairs, as far as I can see. She does nothing to them but enjoy them! I had some LoV from a friend 2 years ago. I split it and planted it on either side of the garden - one side in sun for most of the day, the other only getting a little sun for about one month a year. Last year there was a total no show. This year both clumps are up and flowering! -- Kathy It's pointless to try and discuss ethics with a spider. |
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On 2009-05-06 23:31:44 +0100, "Kathy" said:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... snip That's exactly it - it pleases itself. We have planted it in many different areas of the garden, from deep shade, to part shade, to sun, to good soil, to very shallow stuff that gets no attention etc. A friend of ours has a narrow border in a lot of sun and it is full of LotV which is now migrating across the path and threatening an assault through her front door and up the stairs, as far as I can see. She does nothing to them but enjoy them! I had some LoV from a friend 2 years ago. I split it and planted it on either side of the garden - one side in sun for most of the day, the other only getting a little sun for about one month a year. Last year there was a total no show. This year both clumps are up and flowering! Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be happening for us. We've planted it over a number of years here and in previous years I've planted I don't know how many in different gardens, with no success. In the days when they were quite rare here, my ex-mil gave me some of the pink ones - back over 20 years ago - and not one came up. In her garden, pink and white flourished in both sun and shade in a rich soil. I don't think I've ever met anything so damned temperamental - or not in the 'ordinary' run of plants! -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 19:47:52 +0100, beccabunga
wrote: 'bob[_1_ Wrote: ;843061']A little while ago a friend told me he was having trouble establishing LotV in his garden (like me he's a beginner) and it was only after reading up recently that I've discovered how invasive this plant can be. Now I'm beginning to harbour similar qualms about JA which seems to be spreading out on all sides with gleeful haste. Do these propogate themselves in a similar fashion - as I understand it through a network of rhizomes? Is there a tried and tested way of keeping these under control? Thanks for any advice Lily of the Valley is picky about where it settles, and I tend to leave it be. If it interferes with something else, then hefty digging out of roots is the only solution I have found - and it immediately sits up and says "Thanks - lovely soft bed for me". Japanese anemone is intolerable! I dug it all out of a largish bed, and am still digging out little offsets. But apart from weedkiller this is the only way I know to get rid of it. The white one seems less invasive than the basic pink. thanks for adding. I'd like to keep these two plants and on balance that's what I'll do until my feelings towards them change. I've no idea how these got in my garden but others' lack of success with LotV in the face of heroic effort has modified my view of them. Now you mention it, i've precious few white JAs, mostly pink. |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 beccabunga wrote:
Lily of the Valley is picky about where it settles, and I tend to leave it be. If it interferes with something else, then hefty digging out of roots is the only solution I have found - and it immediately sits up and says "Thanks - lovely soft bed for me". I, too, have had Lily of the Valley. In some gardens it thrives, in others it dies. Haven't found out why. In the garden in front of our house in Normandy it thrives in spite of the fact that there is little depth of earth and the builders left it a year or so ago in a pile of rubble. But it won't grow here in Reading. Another plant that seems to be temperamental is Japanese Wineberry. It will grow anywhere I put it in England but I cannot get it to take in Normandy despite several attempts. And I particularly like the Wineberry, not because of its beauty but because it is a kind of family heirloom. What I've got at the moment is descended from a layer taken from an uncle's garden back in the 1920s. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
Bob Hobden writes
"'Mike'" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. Is it the variety? Lilly of the Valley grows as a weed in our garden and is creeping across the gavel path I doubt it, more likely the plant has some specific needs/wants that it doesn't get in our garden. Not having to compete is one possibility. very strong possibility I suspect. Ours is not doing well against celandine, but it lovers all those bare bits under trees where nothing else will grow. -- Kay |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On 2009-05-07 09:09:08 +0100, David Rance
said: On Wed, 6 May 2009 beccabunga wrote: Lily of the Valley is picky about where it settles, and I tend to leave it be. If it interferes with something else, then hefty digging out of roots is the only solution I have found - and it immediately sits up and says "Thanks - lovely soft bed for me". I, too, have had Lily of the Valley. In some gardens it thrives, in others it dies. Haven't found out why. In the garden in front of our house in Normandy it thrives in spite of the fact that there is little depth of earth and the builders left it a year or so ago in a pile of rubble. But it won't grow here in Reading. Another plant that seems to be temperamental is Japanese Wineberry. It will grow anywhere I put it in England but I cannot get it to take in Normandy despite several attempts. And I particularly like the Wineberry, not because of its beauty but because it is a kind of family heirloom. What I've got at the moment is descended from a layer taken from an uncle's garden back in the 1920s. David I'd never heard of this but it looks - and sounds - lovely: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening...wineberry.html -- -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials South Devon |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
K wrote:
Bob Hobden writes "'Mike'" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have ever had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. Is it the variety? Lilly of the Valley grows as a weed in our garden and is creeping across the gavel path I doubt it, more likely the plant has some specific needs/wants that it doesn't get in our garden. Not having to compete is one possibility. very strong possibility I suspect. Ours is not doing well against celandine, but it lovers all those bare bits under trees where nothing else will grow. Hmm, I wonder. Perhaps needs acid soil? We have both pink and white, grows very enthusiastically in a bed stuffed with other stuff: honesty, colombine, geraniums, roses, etc. It is basically a weed in the fuschia. Oddly we have both pink and white Japanese anenome also, but it stays put pretty much. -E |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
On Wed, 06 May 2009 23:29:54 +0100, Jim Newman
wrote: 'Mike' wrote: A friend of ours has a narrow border in a lot of sun and it is full of LotV which is now migrating across the path and threatening an assault through her front door and up the stairs, as far as I can see. She does nothing to them but enjoy them! -- ?????????????? How odd, when I say it, it is lies!!!! Kindest possible regards Mike With all respect Mike, but what you said was "Lily of the Valley grows anywhere and anyone can grow it", which is very different to the message in Sasha's post. I think you owe the group an apology. I'm sure you are right Jim, but you have used two words that he doesn't understand -- "respect" and "apology". In his bitter, twisted old mind there is no room for any opinion except his own. |
Japanese Wineberry (was Lily of the valley and Japanese anemone)
On Thu, 7 May 2009 Sacha wrote:
Another plant that seems to be temperamental is Japanese Wineberry. It will grow anywhere I put it in England but I cannot get it to take in Normandy despite several attempts. And I particularly like the Wineberry, not because of its beauty but because it is a kind of family heirloom. What I've got at the moment is descended from a layer taken from an uncle's garden back in the 1920s. I'd never heard of this but it looks - and sounds - lovely: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening...-to-grow-Japan ese-wineberry.html Yes, I've seen that article before. I remember it because the picture is wrong! What they've illustrated is not Rubus phoenicolasius but looks more like redcurrant! And I would say that it is more akin to the blackberry than the raspberry in that one propagates by layering. Yes, it's dead easy to grow - but only if it likes your soil. I've kept it going over 44 years and five houses in Britain but the one place I can't get it going is in Normandy. It is lovely to look at. The berries are pleasant but without much character. They look nice in a fruit salad. But they don't cook well. And they don't even make a decent wine! I've left it to its own devices for some years now and it just keeps going here in Reading but I think I'll have to do some more layering. I'll let you have one if I'm successful. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
-- .. "Fuschia" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 May 2009 23:29:54 +0100, Jim Newman wrote: 'Mike' wrote: A friend of ours has a narrow border in a lot of sun and it is full of LotV which is now migrating across the path and threatening an assault through her front door and up the stairs, as far as I can see. She does nothing to them but enjoy them! -- ?????????????? How odd, when I say it, it is lies!!!! Kindest possible regards Mike With all respect Mike, but what you said was "Lily of the Valley grows anywhere and anyone can grow it", which is very different to the message in Sasha's post. I think you owe the group an apology. I'm sure you are right Jim, but you have used two words that he doesn't understand -- "respect" and "apology". In his bitter, twisted old mind there is no room for any opinion except his own. :-)) I trust you feel better now having got that off your chest :-) Do have a nice day Next evil tongued comment please. (Did you note the "Please"?). ...... :-)) Kindest possible regards Mike |
Japanese Wineberry (was Lily of the valley and Japanese anemone)
On Thu, 7 May 2009 David Rance wrote:
What they've illustrated is not Rubus phoenicolasius but looks more like redcurrant! No, no, no! The leaves are wrong for redcurrant! But the berries do look like redcurrant. Wineberry berries are smallish like a wild blackberry, orange rather than red like a raspberry, and shiny. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk |
Lily of the valley and Japanese anenome
Emery Davis writes
K wrote: Bob Hobden writes "'Mike'" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote "Sacha" wrote I've yet to get LotV to grow successfully in any garden I have had and by now, that's quite a few! Thank goodness for that I thought it was just me. Is it the variety? Lilly of the Valley grows as a weed in our garden and is creeping across the gavel path I doubt it, more likely the plant has some specific needs/wants that it doesn't get in our garden. Not having to compete is one possibility. very strong possibility I suspect. Ours is not doing well against celandine, but it lovers all those bare bits under trees where nothing else will grow. Hmm, I wonder. Perhaps needs acid soil? No - it grows on limestone pavements with very little soil cover. -- Kay |
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