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FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote:

And the Hendra Virus which is extremely virulent.

Grin :-)

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/m...ages/nipah.htm

"The natural reservoir for Hendra virus is thought to be flying foxes"

"Only three human cases of Hendra virus disease have been recognized."


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote:

And the Hendra Virus which is extremely virulent.

Grin :-)

Yep

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/m...ages/nipah.htm

"The natural reservoir for Hendra virus is thought to be flying foxes"

Hmmmm CDC. An American site.

I wonder who it was that wrote:
"A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make
Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge
which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P

But since you quote the CDC, their article also says "humans became ill
after exposure to body fluids and excretions of horses infected with Hendra
virus"

"Only three human cases of Hendra virus disease have been recognized."

At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

In article ,
FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote:

Hmmmm CDC. An American site.

I wonder who it was that wrote:
"A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make
Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge
which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P

I did. The CDC is a respected organisation, which doesn't mean that
its pronouncements are gospel. The Merkins I was referring to are
a different class of Web-making pest, as undesirable as RSM.

At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
wrote:

In article ,
FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote:

Hmmmm CDC. An American site.

I wonder who it was that wrote:
"A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make
Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge
which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P

I did. The CDC is a respected organisation, which doesn't mean that
its pronouncements are gospel. The Merkins I was referring to are
a different class of Web-making pest, as undesirable as RSM.

What do Regional Sales Managers have to do with anything?


At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)

Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"?



Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"?



Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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Don't know about the UK, but have you looked at the subscribers of THIS
newsgroup?
Some certainly have queer ways. :-((

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Wild Billy wrote:

Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"?

No, and they never did, although it was a tragedy for those families who
lost loved ones.

It was just one of those hyped-up extraordinarily rare diseases which
"professors" who should know better (but obviously didn't) pontificated
about in a purely self-publicising manner. The main pathogenic effect of
MCD was to sell newspapers.

--
Jeff

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Jeff Layman wrote:
Wild Billy wrote:

Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"?

No, and they never did, although it was a tragedy for those families who
lost loved ones.

It was just one of those hyped-up extraordinarily rare diseases which
"professors" who should know better (but obviously didn't) pontificated
about in a purely self-publicising manner. The main pathogenic effect of
MCD was to sell newspapers.

That's utter tripe - to make an awful pun!

The government had covered it up for so long, and its properties were
such, that the 'worst plausible' scenario was that it would become
the dominating cause of death in the UK and reduce the national life
expectancy by a decade or more. Yes, THAT bad.

And, precisely because of its properties, it wasn't possible to
refine the estimates of its seriousness for several years. Nobody
knew whether it would be negligible (as it seems to be) or approach
the 'worst plausible' scenario. Even now, we aren't quite certain
that it won't become a hundred times more serious than it is at
present, though it is unlikely.

Furthermore, such a disease had been predicted by the government's
scientific advisors, who repeatedly refused to support relaxing
the animal feed processing regulations. The Whitehall mandarins
then replaced them by a more docile (and possibly more ignorant)
set, relaxed the regulations and created a new disease.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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In article ,
Jeff Layman wrote:
Wild Billy wrote:

Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"?

No, and they never did, although it was a tragedy for those families who
lost loved ones.

It was just one of those hyped-up extraordinarily rare diseases which
"professors" who should know better (but obviously didn't) pontificated
about in a purely self-publicising manner. The main pathogenic effect of
MCD was to sell newspapers.

That's utter tripe - to make an awful pun!

The government had covered it up for so long, and its properties were
such, that the 'worst plausible' scenario was that it would become
the dominating cause of death in the UK and reduce the national life
expectancy by a decade or more. Yes, THAT bad.

And, precisely because of its properties, it wasn't possible to
refine the estimates of its seriousness for several years. Nobody
knew whether it would be negligible (as it seems to be) or approach
the 'worst plausible' scenario. Even now, we aren't quite certain
that it won't become a hundred times more serious than it is at
present, though it is unlikely.

Furthermore, such a disease had been predicted by the government's
scientific advisors, who repeatedly refused to support relaxing
the animal feed processing regulations. The Whitehall mandarins
then replaced them by a more docile (and possibly more ignorant)
set, relaxed the regulations and created a new disease.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I think you made the OP's point. The worst plausible scenario was not
plausible.

wrote:
In article ,
Jeff Layman wrote:
Wild Billy wrote:
Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"?
No, and they never did, although it was a tragedy for those families who
lost loved ones.

It was just one of those hyped-up extraordinarily rare diseases which
"professors" who should know better (but obviously didn't) pontificated
about in a purely self-publicising manner. The main pathogenic effect of
MCD was to sell newspapers.

It didn't do cattle farmers much good. They took all the flack but were
not responsible for it. Animals died a particularly nasty death as did a
few very unlucky humans. Most could be traced back to cheap and nasty
mechanically recovered meat characteristic of your average junk food
vendor. Some real cuts of meat also ceased to exist as a result.

And all to make a few extra bucks for the feed companies by cutting
corners on the processing.

That's utter tripe - to make an awful pun!

The government had covered it up for so long, and its properties were
such, that the 'worst plausible' scenario was that it would become
the dominating cause of death in the UK and reduce the national life
expectancy by a decade or more. Yes, THAT bad.

It was bad enough that living in the UK during the relevant period
prevented you giving blood in countries nominally free from BSE/nv-CJD.
The infectious agent was just too hard to detect in the early days.

And, precisely because of its properties, it wasn't possible to
refine the estimates of its seriousness for several years. Nobody
knew whether it would be negligible (as it seems to be) or approach
the 'worst plausible' scenario. Even now, we aren't quite certain
that it won't become a hundred times more serious than it is at
present, though it is unlikely.

Prions seem to be rather potent infective agents if they get the chance.
It is also potentially a very slow burning infection in humans so it is
possible that the damage already done will only show up around 2030.

Furthermore, such a disease had been predicted by the government's
scientific advisors, who repeatedly refused to support relaxing
the animal feed processing regulations. The Whitehall mandarins
then replaced them by a more docile (and possibly more ignorant)
set, relaxed the regulations and created a new disease.

It isn't clear whether they created a new disease or massively amplified
the transmission rate of an existing low level illness by forcing
ruminants to become cannibals and adding diseased meat into the mix.

I suspect if they had restricted this cavalier practice of putting
noxious junk into animal food to pigs there would not have been a
problem. Omnivores are better able to cope with a dodgy diet. Infected
cows died a horrible death which did at least alert people to the
problem. It only really made the news when it got too common to ignore.

The official view at first was that it was scrapie which was the
equivalent disease in sheep didn't pose a problem for humans. That was
fine until people started to die of nv-CJD. I would still like to see
some of the cowboys that relaxed the rules prosecuted. YMMV

Regards,
Martin Brown

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ask@itshall be given wrote:

Hmmmm CDC. An American site.

I wonder who it was that wrote:
"A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make
Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge
which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P

I did. The CDC is a respected organisation, which doesn't mean that
its pronouncements are gospel. The Merkins I was referring to are
a different class of Web-making pest, as undesirable as RSM.

What do Regional Sales Managers have to do with anything?


At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)

Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"?



Only the politicians

David

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At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)

Edwina Curry was right all the time :-)

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At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)

Edwina Curry was right all the time :-)



About John Major?

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Janet Baraclough wrote:
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FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote:

At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)

Edwina Curry was right all the time :-)

What she said was very probably technically correct at the time, hard to
get the evidence and the farming lobby really didn't like it.

They did clean up their act after egg sales plummeted.

Worse things happened in Belgium in 1999 when their government
deliberately hid massive national contamination of chicken feed with
dioxins and PCBS from waste transformer oil. Dodgy feed merchants
cutting corners and a quality control system that was "industry
friendly" and corrupt at the highest levels.

http://www.ping.be/chlorophiles/en/com/en_di_egg.html

The whistleblower who worked for an insurance company dealing with
mysterious chicken deaths was punished for doing his job correctly.
Shoot the messenger!

Luckily our chickens lived on grain and whatever they could scratch out
of the ground. But eggs and chicken disappeared from supermarkets
overnight when the story finally broke. I can't recall if any of the
culprits were forced to resign but in Belgium it is highly unlikely.

Regards,
Martin Brown

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FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote:

Hmmmm CDC. An American site.

I wonder who it was that wrote:
"A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make
Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge
which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P

I did. The CDC is a respected organisation, which doesn't mean that
its pronouncements are gospel.

Indeed. And I thought the CDC was a very strange choice of site given that
the disease has not ever been in the US.

The Merkins I was referring to are
a different class of Web-making pest, as undesirable as RSM.

Some American can be very severe pains in the posterior but then so are some
of every nationality.

At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)

That is 100% death rate if you believe your cite of the CDC. Even Ebola is
not that lethal.

In article ,
FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote:

At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus.

Let's all start panicking now :-)

That is 100% death rate if you believe your cite of the CDC. Even Ebola is
not that lethal.

As I said, the appropriate analysis is game theory. The cost of getting
the Hendra Virus is death, but the probability of doing so is almost
zero.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.