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Tree stump killer
I have a 6" stump left from a tree I just chopped down (threatening to break
the drain chamber in my garden that's all of a foot away from the trunk). No idea what the tree was, but I need to ensure its complete and permanent demise. Apart from the old drill-holes-in-stump and pour in diesel/old-sump-oil trick (don't have any mouldy sump oil to hand anyway) what would be a good product to use? Are any of these any good? http://www.selections.com/GF1911/dee...-stump-killer/ http://www.garden4less.co.uk/bayer-g...ump-killer.asp http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/Weedkil.../Roundup-Tree- Stump+Root-Killer-250ml/invt/0263127 Some of those seem to be glyphospate based, which I *thought* acted on foliage. I need something that can be applied to the cut trunk end that will travel through the tree's system. Ta Tim -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
Tree stump killer
"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... I have a 6" stump left from a tree I just chopped down (threatening to break the drain chamber in my garden that's all of a foot away from the trunk). No idea what the tree was, but I need to ensure its complete and permanent demise. SBK comes to mind for what you want. |
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davej
wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 15:16 SBK Found it - cool, thanks. -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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Tim Watts wrote:
I have a 6" stump left from a tree I just chopped down (threatening to break the drain chamber in my garden that's all of a foot away from the trunk). No idea what the tree was, but I need to ensure its complete and permanent demise. Apart from the old drill-holes-in-stump and pour in diesel/old-sump-oil trick (don't have any mouldy sump oil to hand anyway) what would be a good product to use? Sulphuric acid. (Battery acid.) -- Rusty |
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Rusty Hinge
wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 17:44 Tim Watts wrote: I have a 6" stump left from a tree I just chopped down (threatening to break the drain chamber in my garden that's all of a foot away from the trunk). No idea what the tree was, but I need to ensure its complete and permanent demise. Apart from the old drill-holes-in-stump and pour in diesel/old-sump-oil trick (don't have any mouldy sump oil to hand anyway) what would be a good product to use? Sulphuric acid. (Battery acid.) I've got 20% HCl - would that be any good? -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. -- Chris Gardening in West Cornwall overlooking the sea. Mild, but very exposed to salt gales E-mail: christopher[dot]hog[at]virgin[dot]net Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. -- Jeff |
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Jeff Layman wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Do you have any idea why? I checked an it is apparently due to the insane requirement that the halfwitted Irish Rapporteur that insisted on additional gratuitous animal testing on dogs. This is nothing to do with safety when used by amateurs. It is entirely to do with insane EEC red tape on chemicals. http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/garden.asp?id=1997 Even the Henry Doublespeak organisation considers Ammonium Sulphamate as a borderline acceptable weedkiller although not strictly Organic(TM). This is an example of the H&SE at its dumbest. You can bet your bottom dollar it is still widely available to amateurs elsewhere in Europe despite a notional EU wide ban. Only the UK blindly enforces this junk. Regards, Martin Brown |
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Tim Watts wrote:
davej wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 15:16 SBK Found it - cool, thanks. And as strange as it sounds adding a small amount of copper sulphate to it after a month or so will speed up the decay of the wood - assuming that is what you want to happen. I levered mine out after it had been weakened sufficiently but close to drains that isn't a good idea. A trace of copper salt inhibits the natural fungicides in the wood. Regards, Martin Brown |
Tree stump killer
Martin Brown
wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 20:07 Jeff Layman wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Do you have any idea why? I checked an it is apparently due to the insane requirement that the halfwitted Irish Rapporteur that insisted on additional gratuitous animal testing on dogs. This is nothing to do with safety when used by amateurs. It is entirely to do with insane EEC red tape on chemicals. http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/garden.asp?id=1997 Even the Henry Doublespeak organisation considers Ammonium Sulphamate as a borderline acceptable weedkiller although not strictly Organic(TM). This is an example of the H&SE at its dumbest. You can bet your bottom dollar it is still widely available to amateurs elsewhere in Europe despite a notional EU wide ban. Only the UK blindly enforces this junk. Regards, Martin Brown You can still buy it as a compost accelerator. -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
Tree stump killer
Martin Brown
wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 22:23 Tim Watts wrote: davej wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 15:16 SBK Found it - cool, thanks. And as strange as it sounds adding a small amount of copper sulphate to it after a month or so will speed up the decay of the wood - assuming that is what you want to happen. I levered mine out after it had been weakened sufficiently but close to drains that isn't a good idea. A trace of copper salt inhibits the natural fungicides in the wood. Regards, Martin Brown Thanks for that! -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
Tree stump killer
In message , Tim Watts
writes I have a 6" stump left from a tree I just chopped down (threatening to break the drain chamber in my garden that's all of a foot away from the trunk). No idea what the tree was, but I need to ensure its complete and permanent demise. Apart from the old drill-holes-in-stump and pour in diesel/old-sump-oil trick (don't have any mouldy sump oil to hand anyway) what would be a good product to use? Are any of these any good? http://www.selections.com/GF1911/dee...-stump-killer/ http://www.garden4less.co.uk/bayer-g...ump-killer.asp http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/Weedkil.../Roundup-Tree- Stump+Root-Killer-250ml/invt/0263127 Some of those seem to be glyphospate based, which I *thought* acted on foliage. I need something that can be applied to the cut trunk end that will travel through the tree's system. Glyphosphate is normally applied to foliage, but apparently it can be used to kill stumps and tree - hence them selling a version for that purpose. Which seems to be just strongish glyphosphate applied neat -- Chris French |
Tree stump killer
Tim Watts wrote:
Rusty Hinge wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 17:44 Tim Watts wrote: I have a 6" stump left from a tree I just chopped down (threatening to break the drain chamber in my garden that's all of a foot away from the trunk). No idea what the tree was, but I need to ensure its complete and permanent demise. Apart from the old drill-holes-in-stump and pour in diesel/old-sump-oil trick (don't have any mouldy sump oil to hand anyway) what would be a good product to use? Sulphuric acid. (Battery acid.) I've got 20% HCl - would that be any good? Not as far as I know. Sulphuric acid naturally absorbs any moisture it an find, and such that it does, evaporates to some extent. It also removes (chemically) the elements of water from many organic substances, so hydrogen and oxygen are taken from the wood's cellulose and dilute the acid. The cycle continues until all the acid is neutralised by contact with bases and some mildly alkaline salts (in the surrounsing soil and potassium carbonate amongst other salts in the wood.) The wood is first rendered into a friable condition much like naturally rotten wood, and if there's still enough acid left, the roots are reduced mainly to carbon. This does not happen with HCl. -- Rusty |
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Jeff Layman wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. -- Chris Gardening in West Cornwall overlooking the sea. Mild, but very exposed to salt gales E-mail: christopher[dot]hog[at]virgin[dot]net Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Must get some and use it! Applies for Nigel Farage Medal -- Rusty |
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Martin Brown wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Do you have any idea why? I checked an it is apparently due to the insane requirement that the halfwitted Irish Rapporteur that insisted on additional gratuitous animal testing on dogs. This is nothing to do with safety when used by amateurs. It is entirely to do with insane EEC red tape on chemicals. http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/garden.asp?id=1997 Even the Henry Doublespeak organisation considers Ammonium Sulphamate as a borderline acceptable weedkiller although not strictly Organic(TM). This is an example of the H&SE at its dumbest. You can bet your bottom dollar it is still widely available to amateurs elsewhere in Europe despite a notional EU wide ban. Only the UK blindly enforces this junk. Quite agree with those sentiments. If you want a relatively harmles chemical banned for garden use, you can usually get it from a chemical distributor, who won't ask you what you want it for, unless it's something which you could blow-up politicians with. Mind you, you'd have to buy several years' supply... -- Rusty |
Tree stump killer
Tim Watts wrote:
You can still buy it as a compost accelerator. Hmmm. I make my own compost accelerator, especially after a night out. -- Rusty |
Tree stump killer
Rusty Hinge
wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 15:41 Tim Watts wrote: Rusty Hinge wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 17:44 Tim Watts wrote: I have a 6" stump left from a tree I just chopped down (threatening to break the drain chamber in my garden that's all of a foot away from the trunk). No idea what the tree was, but I need to ensure its complete and permanent demise. Apart from the old drill-holes-in-stump and pour in diesel/old-sump-oil trick (don't have any mouldy sump oil to hand anyway) what would be a good product to use? Sulphuric acid. (Battery acid.) I've got 20% HCl - would that be any good? Not as far as I know. Sulphuric acid naturally absorbs any moisture it an find, and such that it does, evaporates to some extent. It also removes (chemically) the elements of water from many organic substances, so hydrogen and oxygen are taken from the wood's cellulose and dilute the acid. The cycle continues until all the acid is neutralised by contact with bases and some mildly alkaline salts (in the surrounsing soil and potassium carbonate amongst other salts in the wood.) The wood is first rendered into a friable condition much like naturally rotten wood, and if there's still enough acid left, the roots are reduced mainly to carbon. This does not happen with HCl. Oh - so not so much that it is an acid, more that it rips the H2O out of anything it touches - remember the chem lesson experiment with conc H2SO4 + sugar? -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
Tree stump killer
Rusty Hinge
wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 15:46 Jeff Layman wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. -- Chris Gardening in West Cornwall overlooking the sea. Mild, but very exposed to salt gales E-mail: christopher[dot]hog[at]virgin[dot]net Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Must get some and use it! Applies for Nigel Farage Medal http://www.stantonhope.com/Tools_26_...r_ 872kg_.asp smaller quantities regularly on ebay (around 10 quid/kilo) -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message
... Martin Brown wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 20:07 Jeff Layman wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Do you have any idea why? I checked an it is apparently due to the insane requirement that the halfwitted Irish Rapporteur that insisted on additional gratuitous animal testing on dogs. This is nothing to do with safety when used by amateurs. It is entirely to do with insane EEC red tape on chemicals. http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/garden.asp?id=1997 Even the Henry Doublespeak organisation considers Ammonium Sulphamate as a borderline acceptable weedkiller although not strictly Organic(TM). This is an example of the H&SE at its dumbest. You can bet your bottom dollar it is still widely available to amateurs elsewhere in Europe despite a notional EU wide ban. Only the UK blindly enforces this junk. Regards, Martin Brown You can still buy it as a compost accelerator. But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. It's a funny old world, innit? -- Jeff |
Tree stump killer
Jeff Layman wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... Martin Brown wibbled on Tuesday 06 April 2010 20:07 Jeff Layman wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Do you have any idea why? I checked an it is apparently due to the insane requirement that the halfwitted Irish Rapporteur that insisted on additional gratuitous animal testing on dogs. This is nothing to do with safety when used by amateurs. It is entirely to do with insane EEC red tape on chemicals. http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/garden.asp?id=1997 Even the Henry Doublespeak organisation considers Ammonium Sulphamate as a borderline acceptable weedkiller although not strictly Organic(TM). This is an example of the H&SE at its dumbest. You can bet your bottom dollar it is still widely available to amateurs elsewhere in Europe despite a notional EU wide ban. Only the UK blindly enforces this junk. Regards, Martin Brown You can still buy it as a compost accelerator. But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. It's a funny old world, innit? It would be unlicensed use. But they would have to catch you doing it. Who knows you might decide to start a compost heap on the stump and then change your mind. The rules on ammonium sulphamate are a complete joke and someone deserves a good knee capping for this particular mess. An effective and relatively benign weedkiller banned for amateur use in the EEC because of red tape and unbridled bureaucratic stupidity. A fitting punishment would be application of the unapproved product to sensitive parts of the Irish Rapporteurs anatomy. It is an irritant. Regards, Martin Brown |
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Tim Watts wrote:
Oh - so not so much that it is an acid, more that it rips the H2O out of anything it touches - remember the chem lesson experiment with conc H2SO4 + sugar? Ding! Not one we did, but I'd expect it to reduce sugar (sucrose - C12H22O11) to carbon. C12H22O11 + H2SO4 - 12.C + H2SO4/11H2O -- Rusty |
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Jeff Layman
wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:21 But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" Sod that, already ordered :) uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. What you have to realise is that there are now so many statues on the book that criminalise perfectly innocuous activities that the only way to remain sane is forget the law and use common sense - this has become and will remain my approach to life in this country until such a time that sanity is restored (if ever). Do you feel happy that it is a non indictable criminal offence for you to replace one of your windows or an external door without informing local building control, to quote one example? -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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Rusty Hinge
wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:51 Tim Watts wrote: Oh - so not so much that it is an acid, more that it rips the H2O out of anything it touches - remember the chem lesson experiment with conc H2SO4 + sugar? Ding! Not one we did, but I'd expect it to reduce sugar (sucrose - C12H22O11) to carbon. C12H22O11 + H2SO4 - 12.C + H2SO4/11H2O That's it! Lots of steam and a pile of foamy graphite left which curously extrudes from the glass beaker like an oversized indoor firework... -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message
... Jeff Layman wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:21 But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" Sod that, already ordered :) uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. What you have to realise is that there are now so many statues on the book that criminalise perfectly innocuous activities that the only way to remain sane is forget the law and use common sense - this has become and will remain my approach to life in this country until such a time that sanity is restored (if ever). Trouble is they go for the easiest target to keep numbers up. How else do you explain the recent prosecution of the pet shop owner for selling a goldfish to a 14-year-old? Do you feel happy that it is a non indictable criminal offence for you to replace one of your windows or an external door without informing local building control, to quote one example? What else is there for Jobsworths to do?! This country has become a mass of idiotic laws which were brought in (mainly) for "good" reason. As the saying goes: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". -- Jeff |
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Jeff Layman
wibbled on Thursday 08 April 2010 10:36 "Tim Watts" wrote in message ... Jeff Layman wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:21 But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" Sod that, already ordered :) uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. What you have to realise is that there are now so many statues on the book that criminalise perfectly innocuous activities that the only way to remain sane is forget the law and use common sense - this has become and will remain my approach to life in this country until such a time that sanity is restored (if ever). Trouble is they go for the easiest target to keep numbers up. They'll have to catch me, on private land (= warrant to gain access). Sure I've expressed hypothetical intent here, but as yet no crime has been committed... I've already banned anyone from TV Licensing from coming on my land in writing removing their implied right of access. How else do you explain the recent prosecution of the pet shop owner for selling a goldfish to a 14-year-old? Link? I haven't seen that. Do you feel happy that it is a non indictable criminal offence for you to replace one of your windows or an external door without informing local building control, to quote one example? What else is there for Jobsworths to do?! This country has become a mass of idiotic laws which were brought in (mainly) for "good" reason. As the saying goes: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Which is why the sooner people start saying "enough" and stop acting like brainless sheep, the better. We either need to get sensible, or become more like Italians, ie have lots of crap but everyone to a man ignores it and has a glass of wine in the sun instead :) -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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Tim Watts wrote:
Jeff Layman wibbled on Thursday 08 April 2010 10:36 "Tim Watts" wrote in message ... Jeff Layman wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:21 But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" Sod that, already ordered :) uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. What you have to realise is that there are now so many statues on the book that criminalise perfectly innocuous activities that the only way to remain sane is forget the law and use common sense - this has become and will remain my approach to life in this country until such a time that sanity is restored (if ever). Trouble is they go for the easiest target to keep numbers up. They'll have to catch me, on private land (= warrant to gain access). Sure I've expressed hypothetical intent here, but as yet no crime has been committed... I've already banned anyone from TV Licensing from coming on my land in writing removing their implied right of access. How else do you explain the recent prosecution of the pet shop owner for selling a goldfish to a 14-year-old? Link? I haven't seen that. Real enough although if you only read the Hate Mail or Sun biassed accounts you will get the impression that is all they were had up for. A more balanced view is on the local BBC site. I suspect the cockatiel with the broken leg and eye infection and the gerbil dunked in coffee had something to do with their decision to prosecute. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8597762.stm Even so it does seem a bit OTT to me. Regards, Martin Brown |
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Martin Brown
wibbled on Thursday 08 April 2010 12:41 Tim Watts wrote: Jeff Layman wibbled on Thursday 08 April 2010 10:36 How else do you explain the recent prosecution of the pet shop owner for selling a goldfish to a 14-year-old? Link? I haven't seen that. Real enough although if you only read the Hate Mail or Sun biassed accounts you will get the impression that is all they were had up for. A more balanced view is on the local BBC site. I suspect the cockatiel with the broken leg and eye infection and the gerbil dunked in coffee had something to do with their decision to prosecute. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8597762.stm Even so it does seem a bit OTT to me. Yes it is, a fine would have been more in order. Taken in balance with feral oiks roaming the streets in many towns, then it is definately picking on a soft target... -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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In message , Tim Watts
writes Pretty much anyone has implied right of access to your property to conduct their legal business, eg anyone wishing to post something through your letterbox, milkman etc as well as certain bodies with additional statutory rights such as the gas company in an emergency, Customs Officers under some conditions, coppers with a warrant etc. And very shortly council official to come and inspect your house as part of the council tax revaluation which will go ahead if Labour is returned to power next month. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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In message , Rusty Hinge
writes Martin Brown wrote: Jeff Layman wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... The first one. Either that or anything containing ammonium sulphamate (not to be confused with ammonium sulphate!). Drill two or three decent sized deep holes into the top of the stump, pour in crystals of stump killer, cover with a tile or whatever to keep the rain out. Ammonium sulphamate was withdrawn from sale over 2 years ago and is not approved for use in the EU. Do you have any idea why? I checked an it is apparently due to the insane requirement that the halfwitted Irish Rapporteur that insisted on additional gratuitous animal testing on dogs. This is nothing to do with safety when used by amateurs. It is entirely to do with insane EEC red tape on chemicals. http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/garden.asp?id=1997 Even the Henry Doublespeak organisation considers Ammonium Sulphamate as a borderline acceptable weedkiller although not strictly Organic(TM). This is an example of the H&SE at its dumbest. You can bet your bottom dollar it is still widely available to amateurs elsewhere in Europe despite a notional EU wide ban. Only the UK blindly enforces this junk. Quite agree with those sentiments. If you want a relatively harmles chemical banned for garden use, you can usually get it from a chemical distributor, who won't ask you what you want it for, unless it's something which you could blow-up politicians with. Mind you, you'd have to buy several years' supply... Very shortly harmless food supplements will also be severely restricted. This is at the behest of the big pharmas who want us to pop pills which remove one symptom and replace it with another requiring more pills rather than taking beneficial supplements and vitamins. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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hugh
wibbled on Thursday 08 April 2010 19:13 In message , Tim Watts writes Pretty much anyone has implied right of access to your property to conduct their legal business, eg anyone wishing to post something through your letterbox, milkman etc as well as certain bodies with additional statutory rights such as the gas company in an emergency, Customs Officers under some conditions, coppers with a warrant etc. And very shortly council official to come and inspect your house as part of the council tax revaluation which will go ahead if Labour is returned to power next month. Ah that old chestnut... Well, they can try to get in my house... Hopefully, there's not much danger of another Labour term - the general hatred of Labour probably outweighs the lack of belief in the alternatives... Personally we might be better off if they just scrap teh general election and alternate one term of Labour with one term of the Tories. They seem to do less damage in 5 years rather than 15. While we're diverted to politics, I would strongly urge you all to go and look at: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ You can see what your MPs voting record is, whether they can be arsed to take part in debates or have the balls to vote as a rebel from time to time. Not to mention how much of a thieving weasel they've been WRT expense claims. Could provide material for embarrasing questions when the campaigners turn up on yer doorstep... -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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In article ,
Tim Watts wrote: While we're diverted to politics, I would strongly urge you all to go and look at: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ You can see what your MPs voting record is, whether they can be arsed to take part in debates or have the balls to vote as a rebel from time to time. Not to mention how much of a thieving weasel they've been WRT expense claims. Could provide material for embarrasing questions when the campaigners turn up on yer doorstep... Nah. I live in South Cambridgeshire, where the Electoral Reform Society correctly states that the election is over as soon as the Conservatives nominate a candidate. A stuffed monkey with a blue rosette would get in - indeed, some people felt that actually was the case at one time. The solution is to compost the canvassers. Just like Jehovah's Witnesses and Encyclopaedia salesmen. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
[OT] TV Licensing (Was: Tree stump killer)
In message , Tim Watts
writes I had no TV for a period of time so I rang the number and they made a note. Then a couple of months later, the annoying reminders started coming again. I threw them away at first, then later, marked them "Return to sender" and stuck them in the post box. The tone of the reminders left much to be desired. However, the biscuit taker was this: http://www.dionic.net/tv/OfficialWarning.jpeg So I sent them this: http://www.dionic.net/tv/Reply.jpeg (Not for the faint hearted) The bit in question is in the last paragraph. Pretty much anyone has implied right of access to your property to conduct their legal business, eg anyone wishing to post something through your letterbox, milkman etc as well as certain bodies with additional statutory rights such as the gas company in an emergency, Customs Officers under some conditions, coppers with a warrant etc. However, if the former right of implied access is explicitly denied in writing to a single body as here, or by putting a sign on the gate saying "No Hawkers" then any such person is guilty of trespass if they do set foot on your property and may be removed using reasonable force. Anyway, it was mostly spleen venting and it did elicit a response - a grovelling apology in this case. Love your response, just what these neo-nazi quangos need IMO. The UK is getting worryingly (sp?) close to the police state that Germany became in the mid 30s. If I was 10 years younger I'd probably be away to NZ or Canada. Will -- Once you open a can of worms, the only way to recan them is to use a larger can. e-mail news dot will at lancre dot net '98 300Tdi Defender 110 CSW, 1/12th NB Sometimes PGP Fingerprint E089 1736 A023 9E5C AFA3 0B40 E5DC D80A 9E1F D521 Public key can be obtained from ldap://certserver.pgp.com |
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In message ,
writes In article , Tim Watts wrote: While we're diverted to politics, I would strongly urge you all to go and look at: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ You can see what your MPs voting record is, whether they can be arsed to take part in debates or have the balls to vote as a rebel from time to time. Not to mention how much of a thieving weasel they've been WRT expense claims. Could provide material for embarrasing questions when the campaigners turn up on yer doorstep... Nah. I live in South Cambridgeshire, where the Electoral Reform Society correctly states that the election is over as soon as the Conservatives nominate a candidate. A stuffed monkey with a blue rosette would get in - indeed, some people felt that actually was the case at one time. Yeah. At least we don't need to bother worrying about who to vote for :-) -- Chris French |
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In message , Tim Watts
writes Hopefully, there's not much danger of another Labour term - the general hatred of Labour probably outweighs the lack of belief in the alternatives... Unfortunately that is a pretty accurate if somewhat cynical analysis of what faces the voters at this election. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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writes In article , Tim Watts wrote: While we're diverted to politics, I would strongly urge you all to go and look at: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ You can see what your MPs voting record is, whether they can be arsed to take part in debates or have the balls to vote as a rebel from time to time. Not to mention how much of a thieving weasel they've been WRT expense claims. Could provide material for embarrasing questions when the campaigners turn up on yer doorstep... Nah. I live in South Cambridgeshire, where the Electoral Reform Society correctly states that the election is over as soon as the Conservatives nominate a candidate. A stuffed monkey with a blue rosette would get in - indeed, some people felt that actually was the case at one time. The solution is to compost the canvassers. Just like Jehovah's Witnesses and Encyclopaedia salesmen. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Haven't seen a canvasser in 40 years around here - Crewe & Nantwich We don't have Japanese knot weed either - just to keep it vaguely on topic. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
Tree stump killer
Tim Watts wrote:
Jeff Layman wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:21 But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" Sod that, already ordered :) uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. What you have to realise is that there are now so many statues on the book that criminalise perfectly innocuous activities that the only way to remain sane is forget the law and use common sense - this has become and will remain my approach to life in this country until such a time that sanity is restored (if ever). Do you feel happy that it is a non indictable criminal offence for you to replace one of your windows or an external door without informing local building control, to quote one example? Oh dear! Oh dear oh dear! And I've replaced my back door *AND* my front door,,, And I've a box full of old mains cable waiting for something-or-other, and a gas cooker to put in the kitchen. Who's got the duty handcuffs this week? -- Rusty |
Tree stump killer
Tim Watts wrote:
/snip/ I had no TV for a period of time so I rang the number and they made a note. Then a couple of months later, the annoying reminders started coming again. I threw them away at first, then later, marked them "Return to sender" and stuck them in the post box. The tone of the reminders left much to be desired. However, the biscuit taker was this: http://www.dionic.net/tv/OfficialWarning.jpeg So I sent them this: http://www.dionic.net/tv/Reply.jpeg (Not for the faint hearted) The bit in question is in the last paragraph. Pretty much anyone has implied right of access to your property to conduct their legal business, eg anyone wishing to post something through your letterbox, milkman etc as well as certain bodies with additional statutory rights such as the gas company in an emergency, Customs Officers under some conditions, coppers with a warrant etc. However, if the former right of implied access is explicitly denied in writing to a single body as here, or by putting a sign on the gate saying "No Hawkers" then any such person is guilty of trespass if they do set foot on your property and may be removed using reasonable force. Anyway, it was mostly spleen venting and it did elicit a response - a grovelling apology in this case. /snip/ http://www.marmalade.net/lime http://www.girolle.co.uk/tv/ -- Rusty |
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hugh wrote:
In message , writes Nah. I live in South Cambridgeshire, where the Electoral Reform Society correctly states that the election is over as soon as the Conservatives nominate a candidate. A stuffed monkey with a blue rosette would get in - indeed, some people felt that actually was the case at one time. The solution is to compost the canvassers. Just like Jehovah's Witnesses and Encyclopaedia salesmen. Haven't seen a canvasser in 40 years around here - Crewe & Nantwich We don't have Japanese knot weed either - just to keep it vaguely on topic. I wonder how they'll vote in Wilmslow? -- Rusty |
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Rusty Hinge wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: Jeff Layman wibbled on Wednesday 07 April 2010 17:21 But if you use the ammonium sulphamate from that pack as a stump killer, you will be doing something illegal, as daft as it may sound. In fact, AFAIAA, you are only allowed to use approved products for designated "pesticide" Sod that, already ordered :) uses. If you use anything else (eg coffee grounds to deal with slugs), then you risk prosecution. What you have to realise is that there are now so many statues on the book that criminalise perfectly innocuous activities that the only way to remain sane is forget the law and use common sense - this has become and will remain my approach to life in this country until such a time that sanity is restored (if ever). Do you feel happy that it is a non indictable criminal offence for you to replace one of your windows or an external door without informing local building control, to quote one example? Oh dear! Oh dear oh dear! And I've replaced my back door *AND* my front door,,, And I've a box full of old mains cable waiting for something-or-other, and a gas cooker to put in the kitchen. Who's got the duty handcuffs this week? People don't 'alf panic about this kind of thing...or perhaps there's a hidden political agenda. I need chapter and verse before believing most of these Daily-Mail-type tales: you may not (perhaps for good reasons of public safety or consumer protection) be allowed to _sell_ certain things for certain purposes, but that doesn't necessarily mean you aren't free to _use_ said things for said purposes. The claim that prosecution could follow tipping coffee grounds on the garden is almost too silly to reply to. -- Mike. |
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