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Pam Moore[_2_] 17-08-2010 07:22 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol

Bill Grey 17-08-2010 08:18 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 

"Pam Moore" wrote in message
...
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!

Bill



Dave Liquorice[_2_] 17-08-2010 08:53 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:18:29 +0100, Bill Grey wrote:

I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


Well the url quoted has ITV player that will play it for you... If
you want the channel to watch normally do you have satelite telly?
It'll be there somewhere but ITV do tend to hide the regional
variations but a google will find the required settings for tuning in
"other channel"s.

http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html

Transponder 49 - 10.832GHz Symbol Rate:22000 FEC:5/6
ITV 1 Westcountry West
ITV 1 Westcountry South West

Can't see a "westcountry-east" in the satellite listings but then
there isn't one on the website either but confusingly if you select
"The West Country Tonight West you do end up with a
westcountry-east URL...

--
Cheers
Dave.




Bill Grey 17-08-2010 09:04 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:18:29 +0100, Bill Grey wrote:

I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


Well the url quoted has ITV player that will play it for you... If
you want the channel to watch normally do you have satelite telly?
It'll be there somewhere but ITV do tend to hide the regional
variations but a google will find the required settings for tuning in
"other channel"s.

http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html

Transponder 49 - 10.832GHz Symbol Rate:22000 FEC:5/6
ITV 1 Westcountry West
ITV 1 Westcountry South West

Can't see a "westcountry-east" in the satellite listings but then
there isn't one on the website either but confusingly if you select
"The West Country Tonight West you do end up with a
westcountry-east URL...

--
Cheers
Dave.



Thanks Dave for this information - a bit over my head I'm afraid.

Bill




moghouse 18-08-2010 08:57 AM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On Aug 17, 9:04*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:

Thanks Dave for this information - a bit over my head I'm afraid.


That's probably because your aerial is up on the roof.

Christina Websell[_2_] 18-08-2010 05:03 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 

"Bill Grey" wrote in message
...

"Pam Moore" wrote in message
...
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or more
adverts to sit through first. It was a nearly 5 minute long news
interview, interesting.

Tina



Bob Hobden 18-08-2010 05:13 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 


"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or more
adverts to sit through first. It was a nearly 5 minute long news
interview, interesting.

What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda in the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a laugh
at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually have been that
have gone unreported for that reason.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK



Christina Websell[_2_] 18-08-2010 06:21 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or more
adverts to sit through first. It was a nearly 5 minute long news
interview, interesting.

What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda in the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a
laugh at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually have
been that have gone unreported for that reason.



I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.

I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.

Tina






Christina Websell[_2_] 18-08-2010 06:29 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:21:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or more
adverts to sit through first. It was a nearly 5 minute long news
interview, interesting.

What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these
sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda in the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a
laugh at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually have
been that have gone unreported for that reason.



I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.

I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.


The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.



This does not mean that sightings of big cats are not true.
My friend has judged at Crufts - she'd know if it was a dog of any sort.



gardenlen[_2_] 18-08-2010 06:55 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
g'day pam,

keep getting "video won't load" type warning

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:22:16 +0100, Pam Moore
wrote:

Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol


--

Matthew 25:13 KJV
"Watch therefore, for ye know neither
the day nor the hour wherein the Son
of man cometh"

Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray:
for ye know not when the time is".

len

With peace and brightest of blessings,

"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

sutartsorric 18-08-2010 07:04 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On 18 Aug, 18:49, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:29:55 +0100, "Christina Websell"



wrote:

"Martin" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:21:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" *wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" *wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: *Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. *It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or more
adverts to sit through first. *It was a nearly 5 minute *long news
interview, interesting.


What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these
sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda *in the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a
laugh at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually have
been that have gone unreported for that reason.


I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.


I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. *She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.


The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.




Yes, but that was Yorkshire - we allow for them in various ways.

Christina Websell[_2_] 18-08-2010 07:43 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:29:55 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:21:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or
more
adverts to sit through first. It was a nearly 5 minute long news
interview, interesting.

What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these
sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda in
the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a
laugh at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually
have
been that have gone unreported for that reason.



I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the
depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.

I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.

The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.



This does not mean that sightings of big cats are not true.
My friend has judged at Crufts - she'd know if it was a dog of any sort.


True, but it was the culmination of at least two years of sightings
reported in
the local press.


So, do you believe it or not?
I do. I know that if my friend saw a huge black cat the size of a leopard
running in front of her car she would not make that up and phone me about
it.
There is no way she would mistake it for a dog.
To judge at Crufts is a lifetime thing, she knows all dogs, how they move,
what they look like. She said it was a big cat.





--

Martin




Dave Hill 18-08-2010 08:39 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On 18 Aug, 19:43, "Christina Websell"
wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message

...





On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:29:55 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:21:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" *wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" *wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: *Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. *It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or
more
adverts to sit through first. *It was a nearly 5 minute *long news
interview, interesting.


What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these
sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda *in
the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a
laugh at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually
have
been that have gone unreported for that reason.


I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the
depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.


I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. *She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.


The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.


This does not mean that sightings of big cats are not true.
My friend has judged at Crufts - she'd know if it was a dog of any sort..


True, but it was the culmination of at least two years of sightings
reported in
the local press.


So, do you believe it or not?
I do. *I know that if my friend saw a huge black cat the size of a leopard
running in front of her car she would not make that up and phone me about
it.
There is no way she would mistake it for a dog.
To judge at Crufts is a lifetime thing, she knows all dogs, how they move,
what they look like. *She said it was a big cat.



--


Martin- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

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So if a giant Black Cat crosses your path does that mean more luck
than with a normal black cat crossing your path?

Dave Hill 18-08-2010 08:44 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On 18 Aug, 20:39, Dave Hill wrote:
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of

her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. *She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.


The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.


This does not mean that sightings of big cats are not true.
My friend has judged at Crufts - she'd know if it was a dog of any sort.


Pam Moore[_2_] 18-08-2010 10:28 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:55:33 +1000, gardenlen
wrote:

g'day pam,

keep getting "video won't load" type warning

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:22:16 +0100, Pam Moore
wrote:

Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol


Sorry Len, I can't explain why it won't load for you.

Pam in Bristol

Sambo 18-08-2010 10:49 PM

Its all true. I had a panther follow me whilst cycling home from a nightshift at the photolab at 4am one winter morning when I was a teen.

Also, I almost got eaten by a Komodo Dragon which must have been living wild on the banks of the Ord river in Kunurrura - was with a mate going swimming past the reeds at the end of a mile long track hidden by longrass. Shat myself as my brain told me it must be a salt water crocodile or a monitor but my eyes new it was neither...really didn't know what to do and froze...I still remember seeing its tongue tasting my fear....I think that is what confused me so much, that and the fact its forearms were as thick as my legs....true horror film stuff..lol! Turned out I researched that a wildlife place went bankrupt in the late 70's further down the Ord river in Wyndham. Very dodgy! Bloody things originated in Australia anyway!

Same thing here I reckon...still a legacy from the 70's when people had lions and tigers for domestic pets. Either that or zoo escapes.

Wallabies in the peak district...Boa constrictors in the Florida everglades..animals are a lot more resilient and a lot more secretive, especially if they are afraid of humans, than we give them credit for.

Haven't seen a Yeti yet though! Look forward to that one.

Peter James[_2_] 19-08-2010 10:07 AM

Big cat on news tonight
 
Pam Moore wrote:

Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol

There have been reports of big cats in the area of Bodmin Moor in
Cornwall for the past 1 0 years or so. Never proffed, but on the other
hand too numerous to be dismissed out of hand.

Peter
--
He spoke with a certain what-is-it in his voice, and I
could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far
from being gruntled.
P.G. Wodehouse 1881 -1975

Pam Moore[_2_] 19-08-2010 10:30 AM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:07:37 +0100, (Peter
James) wrote:

Pam Moore wrote:

Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol

There have been reports of big cats in the area of Bodmin Moor in
Cornwall for the past 1 0 years or so. Never proffed, but on the other
hand too numerous to be dismissed out of hand.

Peter


As I think the report stated!

Pam in Bristol

Nick Maclaren[_2_] 19-08-2010 11:11 AM

Big cat on news tonight
 
In article ,
Janet wrote:
In article 32d678f7-ea30-4130-9b69-
,
says...

So if a giant Black Cat crosses your path does that mean more luck
than with a normal black cat crossing your path?


Yep; time to buy a lottery ticket :-)


If a black panther crosses my path while walking in the UK, I will
buy my first National Fleecery ticket. You may start holding your
breath for this momentous event.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

hugh 19-08-2010 12:08 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
In message , Christina Websell
writes

"Martin" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:21:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or more
adverts to sit through first. It was a nearly 5 minute long news
interview, interesting.

What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these
sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda in the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a
laugh at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually have
been that have gone unreported for that reason.



I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.

I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.


The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.



This does not mean that sightings of big cats are not true.


It is impossible to prove a negative.

My friend has judged at Crufts - she'd know if it was a dog of any sort.


From my experience having judged at Crufts is not necessarily any
endorsement for being able to recognise a dog.
--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha

Bill Grey 19-08-2010 12:09 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:21:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bill Grey" wrote in message
"Pam Moore" wrote
Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


I wish I could see this in South Wales - the programme that is!


I was able to view this from Pam's link even though my ITV channel is
Central. It did take a while to load though, and there were 4 or more
adverts to sit through first. It was a nearly 5 minute long news
interview, interesting.

What I find interesting is they are just beginning to take these
sightings
slightly seriously. Always before there has been another agenda in the
background, to make the person seeing the cat(?) look silly and have a
laugh at their expense. I wonder how many sightings there actually have
been that have gone unreported for that reason.



I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the
depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.

I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.


The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.



This does not mean that sightings of big cats are not true.
My friend has judged at Crufts - she'd know if it was a dog of any sort.


My labrador was entered at Crufts, an I sometimes think the judges look at
the wrong end of the lead!

Bill



®óñ© © ²°¹° 19-08-2010 03:54 PM

Big cat on news tonight
 
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:08:49 +0100, hugh ] wrote:


I take these sightings seriously.
My friend saw a huge black cat run across the road in front of her car
once.
She is sensible, does not drink at all and I do not doubt her. She
described it as "as big as a leopard"
Never seen since.

The huge black cat of Whitby turned out to be a Labrador.



This does not mean that sightings of big cats are not true.


It is impossible to prove a negative.

My friend has judged at Crufts - she'd know if it was a dog of any sort.


From my experience having judged at Crufts is not necessarily any
endorsement for being able to recognise a dog.


Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally-
-configured dog.

--
(¯`·. ®óñ© © ²°¹° .·´¯)

Christina Websell[_2_] 19-08-2010 06:23 PM

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"Martin" wrote in message
...

Is it a ratzilla?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...odents-UK.html
--


IME people who are not used to seeing rats around always over-estimate their
size when they've seen a glimpse of one.
As a poultry keeper I have an ongoing battle with them. I use terrier men
every month or two to come here and smoke them out with the dogs waiting.
The biggest one we ever got weighed just over a pound.
I used to use poison. Not any more - my tawny owls disappeared for one
thing, and poison takes a while to work, seeing dying rats in extremis
changed my mind about the method to use.
The terrier way, I believe, is kinder because the rats are either caught and
gone literally in a second or they get away to maybe be caught next time.

These are not ordinary pet terriers, btw, the terrier men like to hunt with
them and that's what they are for. Patterdales & working-bred Lakelands
make short shrift of my rats. Even if a big one hangs on to their nose and
makes them yelp, it's a gonner.
It costs me nothing except tea & biscuits :)













Christina Websell[_2_] 19-08-2010 07:18 PM

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"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:23:11 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message
. ..

Is it a ratzilla?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...odents-UK.html
--


IME people who are not used to seeing rats around always over-estimate
their
size when they've seen a glimpse of one.


The one in the photo looks big :o)


It is not a photo of the rat that they saw.
This photo is from another country, where there are indeed very big rats.
Here, in the UK, we have rats that can seem huge, if you are not used to
them (as I said) but realistically they are not.
I've learned a lot about rats since I had poultry.
If one lives for some time it will get up to and slightly above 1lb in
weight, they are the males.
I have a cat. He is fine with dispatching the young ones, but the moment he
sees one of these 1lb+ ones with their big brown chisel teeth, he needs to
pretend he hasn't seen it by washing himself as it walks past.
i don't blame him. Those big ones give the terriers a run for their money.







echinosum 20-08-2010 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sambo (Post 897770)
Wallabies in the peak district...Boa constrictors in the Florida everglades..animals are a lot more resilient and a lot more secretive, especially if they are afraid of humans, than we give them credit for.

I've come across several recent references to the Peak District wallabies, but they died out about 10 years ago. There is a more persistent colony of wallabies on an island in Loch Lomond, conditions which can perhaps be compared to a zoo enclosure. About 5 years ago the govt estimated the UK population of red-necked wallabies to be 29, of which 28 were on the island in Loch Lomond, and the other was a fairly recent escape somewhere like Bedfordshire. I think more recently there have been a handful escaped somewhere down in the west country.

echinosum 20-08-2010 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christina Websell[_2_] (Post 897755)
"I cannot see any reason why big cats that were probably released when it
became illegal to keep them without a license cannot survive in the depths
of the countryside, where they can get food and water and hardly ever be
seen.

I can see very good reasons why they can't survive very well. I gave them in the other thread, but I'll repeat it for your benefit.

Large cats are predators, and need to be taught how to be successful predators in the wild by parental care. Released big cats come from a mix of captive-bred and animals caught in infancy, and have not had to look after themselves recently.

If you don't understand how serious this is for an animals survival chances, consider the case of bats. If you catch a bat and feed it, it becomes unsuitable to be returned to the wild, as after about a fortnight it becomes accustomed to being fed and can no longer survive in the wild.

Have you not seen the television programmes which show how marginal a large predatory cat's existence is, even those living on the game-filled plains of Africa and brought up to look after themselves?

It really is most implausible to think that previously captive large cats can fend for themselves for very long in the British countryside.

hugh 20-08-2010 12:05 PM

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IME people who are not used to seeing rats around always over-estimate their
size when they've seen a glimpse of one.

Likewise when people are startled when out at night.
No-one of course will then admit to being scared by a pussy cat
--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha

Christina Websell[_2_] 20-08-2010 05:22 PM

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My labrador was entered at Crufts, an I sometimes think the judges look
at the wrong end of the lead!

Bill


Unfortunately, I have to agree that this does happen sometimes. *If* the
judge is not ethical and an exhibitor will soon be a judge at another
championship show where they will be entering their own dog. My friend does
not do that.
Neither do I. I used to judge and gave best of breed to a dog that was
winning a lot and had a big fault, purely because she was the best of a bad
bunch.
I was horrified to find that when I entered my own dog when this person was
judging some time later, I won my class and the report she sent to the dog
newspapers - the dog's critique - was *identical* to the one I'd sent in for
her dog, except of course she changed "her" to "him"
How blatant is that to say, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours?
I was appalled.
I lost any respect for her immediately.
Fortunately, although it is commonly believed that the dog show scene is
fixed, most judges will put the best dog first, regardless of who is at the
other end of the lead. Those that do not give it a bad name.

Tina






Christina Websell[_2_] 20-08-2010 05:52 PM

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"hugh" ] wrote in message
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From my experience having judged at Crufts


Wow! You did? Fantastic! What breeds did you judge? It is really a
lifetime achievement to do that.


is not necessarily any endorsement for being able to recognise a dog.


I can assure you that anyone who is invited to judge at Crufts knows the
difference between the gait of a cat and a dog that runs across the road in
front of their car.
I don't understand your hostility, is it a perceived class thing?





Christina Websell[_2_] 20-08-2010 06:00 PM

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"®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message
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Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally-
-configured dog.


What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog?
Tina



®óñ© © ²°¹° 20-08-2010 06:31 PM

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:00:19 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message
.. .

Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally-
-configured dog.


What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog?
Tina

Do you really need to ask?

For example, dogs with skin that fits, dogs that can breathe through
normal jaws and faces, dogs bred without congenital hip problems, dogs
bred without artificial ridges on their backs, dogs who can see their
way around without wearing an Alice band etc etc etc., dogs who can
walk without their guts scraping along the ground.

Why do you think Crufts has lost so many sponsors?
Lost their broadcaster?
Attracted criticism from so many sources including the RSPCA.

And most of the judges are more inbred than the poor animals.



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Christina Websell[_2_] 20-08-2010 07:02 PM

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"®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:00:19 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message
. ..

Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally-
-configured dog.


What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog?
Tina

Do you really need to ask?

For example, dogs with skin that fits, dogs that can breathe through
normal jaws and faces, dogs bred without congenital hip problems, dogs
bred without artificial ridges on their backs, dogs who can see their
way around without wearing an Alice band etc etc etc., dogs who can
walk without their guts scraping along the ground.

Why do you think Crufts has lost so many sponsors?
Lost their broadcaster?
Attracted criticism from so many sources including the RSPCA.


Don't start me about the RSPCA.

And most of the judges are more inbred than the poor animals.

Cite that, please.
Or is that just your silly opinion?

Tina














®óñ© © ²°¹° 20-08-2010 08:38 PM

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:02:42 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:00:19 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message
...

Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally-
-configured dog.


What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog?
Tina

Do you really need to ask?

For example, dogs with skin that fits, dogs that can breathe through
normal jaws and faces, dogs bred without congenital hip problems, dogs
bred without artificial ridges on their backs, dogs who can see their
way around without wearing an Alice band etc etc etc., dogs who can
walk without their guts scraping along the ground.

Why do you think Crufts has lost so many sponsors?
Lost their broadcaster?
Attracted criticism from so many sources including the RSPCA.


Don't start me about the RSPCA.


I didn't start it.

Just comment on the other points I've mentioned
or is just any criticism based on well-known facts anathema or silly.

Anyway, how did this stupid thread start, it's got nothing to do with
gardening and I'm bored with it.

--
®óñ© © ²°¹°

Frankly, my dear, I don't dig a clam


Bill Grey 20-08-2010 09:55 PM

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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Bill Grey" wrote in message
...


My labrador was entered at Crufts, an I sometimes think the judges look
at the wrong end of the lead!

Bill


Unfortunately, I have to agree that this does happen sometimes. *If* the
judge is not ethical and an exhibitor will soon be a judge at another
championship show where they will be entering their own dog. My friend
does not do that.
Neither do I. I used to judge and gave best of breed to a dog that was
winning a lot and had a big fault, purely because she was the best of a
bad bunch.
I was horrified to find that when I entered my own dog when this person
was judging some time later, I won my class and the report she sent to the
dog newspapers - the dog's critique - was *identical* to the one I'd sent
in for her dog, except of course she changed "her" to "him"
How blatant is that to say, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours?
I was appalled.
I lost any respect for her immediately.
Fortunately, although it is commonly believed that the dog show scene is
fixed, most judges will put the best dog first, regardless of who is at
the other end of the lead. Those that do not give it a bad name.

Tina




Hi Tina,


We seem to have had similar experiences with regard to judges. I thought
Cruft's would be at least fair, but regrtettably some form of old pals act
won the day.

At least I got to Cruft's but even when my Lab qualified, one onlooker, who
wasn't very complimentary said about the judge - " She wasn't a Labrador
judge" anyway. He was of course hinting that he didn't think my dog was
good enough and that a pal's dog should have qualified. That was the only
disappointing comment I heard from a jealous entrant.

We got there, that was the most imprtant thing.

All the best,

Bill



Bill Grey 20-08-2010 10:04 PM

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"Pam Moore" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:07:37 +0100, (Peter
James) wrote:

Pam Moore wrote:

Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol
area;
http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/


Pam in Bristol

There have been reports of big cats in the area of Bodmin Moor in
Cornwall for the past 1 0 years or so. Never proffed, but on the other
hand too numerous to be dismissed out of hand.

Peter


As I think the report stated!

Pam in Bristol


A good read on the subject of Big Cats is:-

CAT COUNTRY, by Di Francis ISBN 0 7153 8425 2
Puiblished by David and Charles, Newton Abbot 1983 (?)

Lots af ancedotal evidence.

Bill



hugh 20-08-2010 10:23 PM

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"hugh" ] wrote in message
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From my experience having judged at Crufts


Wow! You did? Fantastic! What breeds did you judge? It is really a
lifetime achievement to do that.

If you see commas where there aren't any then it's not surprising you
can't tell a cat from a dog.

is not necessarily any endorsement for being able to recognise a dog.


I can assure you that anyone who is invited to judge at Crufts knows the
difference between the gait of a cat and a dog that runs across the road in
front of their car.
I don't understand your hostility, is it a perceived class thing?

Eh?

Having been involved in show dogs for over 22 years I have met all
levels of people from all sorts of backgrounds who have judged at
Crufts. "Class" doesn't come into it except perhaps in your mind- it's a
competence thing and many who have judged at crufts have never had the
privilege of going over my dogs because I had no interest in their
opinion.
--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha

Sambo 20-08-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by echinosum (Post 897922)
I can see very good reasons why they can't survive very well. I gave them in the other thread, but I'll repeat it for your benefit.

Large cats are predators, and need to be taught how to be successful predators in the wild by parental care. Released big cats come from a mix of captive-bred and animals caught in infancy, and have not had to look after themselves recently.

If you don't understand how serious this is for an animals survival chances, consider the case of bats. If you catch a bat and feed it, it becomes unsuitable to be returned to the wild, as after about a fortnight it becomes accustomed to being fed and can no longer survive in the wild.

Have you not seen the television programmes which show how marginal a large predatory cat's existence is, even those living on the game-filled plains of Africa and brought up to look after themselves?

It really is most implausible to think that previously captive large cats can fend for themselves for very long in the British countryside.


Are you joking? Obviously you've never raised a farm cat compared to a pedigree? Its in their genes, they create their own play and don't 'Have' to be taught anything to survive, most of the species are solitary hunters.

Maybe its the mutant humans we should be more worried about anyway...

...Did anyone see 'Wrong Turn 2' last night.... This hillbilly holds this girl by the hair at the start of the movie, and then precedes to chop her clean in half, straight down the middle with an felling axe and her intestines fall onto the floor..lol....then he and his cousin drag off each half of her by the leg...that was so funny...I wet myself! lol!

Sambo 20-08-2010 11:09 PM

Cats are like crocodiles, they are top of the food chain. You don't domestic a crocodile and then release it and worry about how its gonna survive. By your rational those poor girls that that German bloke had locked up in his basement for twenty years don't stand a chance of rehabilitation. Bats are way down the food chain, they are mice with wings. Move to Darwin Australia, get your Mango tree infested with protected Flying foxes, wake up and smell the guano each morning, knowing full well there is nothing you can do about it but move and we'll see how you feel about bats!!!...They are cute little critters though aren't they!

hugh 21-08-2010 11:02 AM

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On 2010-08-20 22:23:25 +0100, hugh ] said:

In message , Christina Websell
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"hugh" ] wrote in message
...


From my experience having judged at Crufts
Wow! You did? Fantastic! What breeds did you judge? It is really
a
lifetime achievement to do that.

If you see commas where there aren't any then it's not surprising you
can't tell a cat from a dog.

is not necessarily any endorsement for being able to recognise a
dog.
I can assure you that anyone who is invited to judge at Crufts
knows the
difference between the gait of a cat and a dog that runs across the road in
front of their car.
I don't understand your hostility, is it a perceived class thing?

Eh?
Having been involved in show dogs for over 22 years I have met all
levels of people from all sorts of backgrounds who have judged at
Crufts. "Class" doesn't come into it except perhaps in your mind- it's
a competence thing and many who have judged at crufts have never had
the privilege of going over my dogs because I had no interest in their opinion.


HOW I wish the Crufts judge who lived just up the lane from us was
still alive. I can imagine her remarks if she saw this sort of
nonsense from someone claiming to have judged at Crufts!


Your reading of sentences is about as accurate as your husbands
observations of small animals.

I think your friend would have readily agreed with my comments. You on
the other hand obviously know nothing about the dog show world.
It's a fact that some people


....claim to....
have seen large cats, including my husband who is not given to an
over-wrought imagination or taking fright in the dark. He's more than
used to walking around in the pitch dark checking the nursery so a
domestic cat is hardly likely to be an object of alarm and amazement.


As somebody else has already explained in great detail the human
cognitive system is very unreliable in certain situations and prone to
exaggeration.

--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha

hugh 21-08-2010 11:04 AM

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On 2010-08-20 12:05:26 +0100, hugh ] said:

In message , Christina Websell
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IME people who are not used to seeing rats around always over-estimate their
size when they've seen a glimpse of one.

Likewise when people are startled when out at night.
No-one of course will then admit to being scared by a pussy cat


That's your personal experience, too, is it? How fortunate we are.

I taught I taw a puddy cat ....
--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha


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