Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 14:34, Spider wrote:
On 08/12/2010 11:26, Derek wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, wrote: I for one liked Toby and Alys, what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info Excuse me, but I have a border. It's not as big or as grand as I'd like it to be and it's due an overhaul, but it *is* a border with a 'hot, fiery' end working towards a 'cooler' end. I enjoy very much seeing other gardeners create borders and long, broad beds for that matter. I believe that sort of planting is still relevant and still enjoyed. It teaches us about plants, using plants and colour and form; knowledge which can be applied to smaller projects with a little creative thought. I hope Monty does continue to plant a border, as well as fruit and veg and all the other things. Personally (although I like and respect Monty), I liked Toby's approach and teaching manner. He made me want to watch the programme again. Alys was also good and enthusiastic *and* complemented Toby's style well. I never really took to him that much. Alys was OK and seemed very knowledgeable when she was given the chance to show it. Carol's knowledge and enthusiasm is always good value, so the three made a good team. I found her breathless enthusiasm and ludicrous scarves irritating. Alys did a better job of demonstrating various techniques. Rachel dT is a lot prettier than either but I don't see her as much of a gardener. I believe that the "30min construction" slot was created to give we gardeners a taste of that longed-for "cheap build-it slot" that Geoff Hamilton always did so well and somehow made relevant. It's a shame it misfired. Definitely. There was a herb garden idea based on a rocky spiral that I though was actually quite inspired, but the rest were tedious. I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. They will be modelling it on the BigBrother, X-Factor or Celebrity Come Dancing next with a phone to decide who goes or stays :( Regards, Martin Brown |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
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, Dave Hill writes On Dec 8, 4:15*pm, Chris J Dixon wrote: Dave Hill wrote: Which is why turning an old football pitch into a garden was just plain "Daft" I wonder what the exercise cost, and what is to become of it now. Chris -- Chris J Dixon *Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. I wonder if Toby Buckland could do a series on how to convert a garden into a football pitch? Cruel :-)) -- Gopher .... I know my place! |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... I'm delighted to have Monty back but I feel very sorry for TB who had ddone a god job. The most recent programmes weresuch a great improvement on what we had from Toby to start with. I was not inspired by Alys, but neither am I inspired by Rachel de T. I hope Toby gets a break with a new job to use his skills. I would probably not expect you to be inspired by Rachel - it is perhaps the male viewers who gain the most inspiration. (:-) Regards That uncouth Pete again www.thecanalshop.com |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In message , Pete
writes "Pam Moore" wrote in message .. . I'm delighted to have Monty back but I feel very sorry for TB who had ddone a god job. The most recent programmes weresuch a great improvement on what we had from Toby to start with. I was not inspired by Alys, but neither am I inspired by Rachel de T. I hope Toby gets a break with a new job to use his skills. I would probably not expect you to be inspired by Rachel - it is perhaps the male viewers who gain the most inspiration. (:-) Regards That uncouth Pete again www.thecanalshop.com Not necessarily....... Alys has hidden depths, I'm sure :-)) -- Gopher .... I know my place! |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote:
Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! -- Jeff |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:46:25 -0800, Dave Hill wrote:
What a shame, no more of Alice in wander land. But why bring in Rachel de Thame, she is almost as bad. Should've gone to Specsavers. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Jeff Layman wrote:
Rachel de Thame.:-) I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! Might possibly be nothing to do with that, but everything to do with the loss in viewing figures over the past 2 years |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 16:52, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/12/2010 14:34, Spider wrote: On 08/12/2010 11:26, Derek wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, wrote: I for one liked Toby and Alys, what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info Excuse me, but I have a border. It's not as big or as grand as I'd like it to be and it's due an overhaul, but it *is* a border with a 'hot, fiery' end working towards a 'cooler' end. I enjoy very much seeing other gardeners create borders and long, broad beds for that matter. I believe that sort of planting is still relevant and still enjoyed. It teaches us about plants, using plants and colour and form; knowledge which can be applied to smaller projects with a little creative thought. I hope Monty does continue to plant a border, as well as fruit and veg and all the other things. Personally (although I like and respect Monty), I liked Toby's approach and teaching manner. He made me want to watch the programme again. Alys was also good and enthusiastic *and* complemented Toby's style well. I never really took to him that much. Alys was OK and seemed very knowledgeable when she was given the chance to show it. Carol's knowledge and enthusiasm is always good value, so the three made a good team. I found her breathless enthusiasm and ludicrous scarves irritating. Alys did a better job of demonstrating various techniques. I know what you mean about Carol, but she's a good, hands-on knowledgeable gardener. Not so many of those around these days. I can easily put up with her enthusiastic manner. At least it's natural and not the forced bon homie that comes with many other presenters. Rachel dT is a lot prettier than either but I don't see her as much of a gardener. Each of the ladies is attractive in their own way, but it's their gardening we're interested in. I suspect they're all reasonable gardeners but, I agree, it doesn't come across so well with RdeT. I believe that the "30min construction" slot was created to give we gardeners a taste of that longed-for "cheap build-it slot" that Geoff Hamilton always did so well and somehow made relevant. It's a shame it misfired. Definitely. There was a herb garden idea based on a rocky spiral that I though was actually quite inspired, but the rest were tedious. Oh yes, I love that part of the garden. That was one of St. Geoff's strong points: he showed us many different planting styles and manageable building projects and also much smaller constructions (cold frames, etc.). I was frequently inspired by things he did and, at the end of the programme, I just wanted to rush outside and start gardening. I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. They will be modelling it on the BigBrother, X-Factor or Celebrity Come Dancing next with a phone to decide who goes or stays :( What an horrendous thought! Oh, don't give them ideas like that. That really would make me switch off :~[ Regards, Martin Brown -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 15:13, Pam Moore wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. From todays Telegraph I'm delighted to have Monty back but I feel very sorry for TB who had ddone a god job. The most recent programmes weresuch a great improvement on what we had from Toby to start with. I was not inspired by Alys, but neither am I inspired by Rachel de T. I hope Toby gets a break with a new job to use his skills. Pam in Bristol I agree heartily, Pam. I think Toby was seriously hindered by the producers. I've seen him present very good gardening programmes before, or even brief slots in another's programme. He has a lovely, easy manner (which I could watch all day) and actually seems ill at ease with the false joshing, although it's clear he has a good sense of humour. He should be allowed to blossom in his own right. It took me a while to appreciate Alys, but I think she's a very able presenter and seems to know her stuff. thus far. Call me strange, but I actually like observing her as a human being. She's charming. (No, I'm not a stalker!) -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 17:20, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Good for him! I dislike chemicals, but occasionally am obliged to be grateful for glyphosate, sulphur and a drop of systemic insecticide when all else fails, as are many gardeners I know, even the ones who like to be green-ish. If some gardeners are still using chemicals, it's important that a good garden presenter tells us what's available and also the most responsible way of using it. Toby did that. It makes the programme more balanced. Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 18:22, Sacha wrote:
On 2010-12-08 17:20:00 +0000, Jeff Layman said: On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! I hope not. Everything has its place and not everyone either can, or wants to, garden in a one-size fits all fashion. I do agree. But if you read Don's gardening articles in Saturday's Daily Mail Magazine, his mantra is "Chemicals should not be used". That's it - no argument. And that is why I prefer Buckland to Don; he's a lot more open minded. -- Jeff |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
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writes Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Thank Goodness, Too bohemian for me, living off salad leaves and flowers I'm not surprised though. -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In article , Martin
writes The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. It will be most annoying for poor Toby who i think is actually a good gardener but not allowed to be by the BBC and anyone who has power in the programming set ups. They'll probably change the format a bit which means he wont now be able to show us how good he could be, A bit like poor Christine Walden who is destined to be eccentric on most programmes but given a freehand (which they never are) can't show the public her knowledge and skills in a normal manner. Don't think it was Toby's fault, just the producer and director. -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In message , Spider
writes On 08/12/2010 15:05, Pete wrote: "Spider" wrote in message ... sic I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. -- I assume that the shortening is to a half hour - if so, agreed far too short. Only soaps should be so confined ! Forty-five minutes would be a fair compromise Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com Agreed! But I'd prefer longer *and* a bit later in the evening so I don't have to drag myself in from the garden (while there's still good light)to see it. In the days of new fangled things like Video tape recorders, as well a SKY +, PVR's, iplayer etc. The idea of having to drag yourself in to watch at a certain time seems rather quaint. I don't we really watch much Tv at it's broadcast time anymore -- Chris French |
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