Found this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13913513

Even if the infection is on the seeds, would it be on the growing plant?
Seems suspicious that all the victims had eaten at the same place.

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Kathy

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Found this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13913513

Even if the infection is on the seeds, would it be on the growing
plant?

These are seeds grown for sprouting. The seeds are placed in water and
allowed to germinate. When they've reached the seed-leaf stage (roughly)
they're eaten.

If the seeds were contaminated with E. coli, it seems plausible that it
would survive and even grow when the seeds were germinated.

Seems suspicious that all the victims had eaten at the same place.

But that does suggest that any contamination occurred further down the
chain.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley

Kathy wrote:
Found this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13913513

Even if the infection is on the seeds, would it be on the growing
plant? Seems suspicious that all the victims had eaten at the same
place.

Seems highly implausible to me.


Ian

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In message , Kathy writes
Found this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13913513

Even if the infection is on the seeds, would it be on the growing plant?

These are seeds grown for sprouting. The seeds are placed in water and
allowed to germinate. When they've reached the seed-leaf stage (roughly)
they're eaten.

If the seeds were contaminated with E. coli, it seems plausible that it
would survive and even grow when the seeds were germinated.

Ah, right. I was thinking of them germinating in soil.


--
Kathy

"Kathy" wrote

Found this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13913513

Even if the infection is on the seeds, would it be on the growing plant?
Seems suspicious that all the victims had eaten at the same place.



The seeds were supplied by T & M and they are saying there is no evidence it
was the seeds, indeed the fact that the same seeds have been sold throughout
the EU and it has only happened in that specific area suggests it's
something else to do with the way the seeds are sprouted in that area.

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Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

"Kathy" wrote in message
...
Found this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13913513

Even if the infection is on the seeds, would it be on the growing plant?
Seems suspicious that all the victims had eaten at the same place.


Does this remind you of the previous E. Coli outbreak in Germany?
Blame foreign suppliers to distract attention from your own country.
Later admit that perhaps it wasn't them and then blame somone else.
Meanwhile there is mass panic and people stop buying products which are
blameless.

I Googled to see if they had finally found the culprit(s) causing the
original German outbreak but I haven't found any recent articles about the
problem and certainly nothing which suggests that the source has been
tracked down.

All they have deduced is that statistical analysis strongly suggests that
salad vegetables were responsible.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/we...12organic.html has a good
report on the issue.
The article has interesting things to say about linkage with abnormally
heavy rainfall.
Also good advice about soaking raw vegetables in a dilute bleach solution -
my mother always used to soak salad in Milton and she was from a generation
where the food supply chain was much less regulated and reliable.

IMHO widespread infections suggest the source of the product may be
responsible.
Localised infections suggest the food chain much closer to the consumer.
So far these infections have been localised.
This hasn't stopped officials pointing the finger as far away from their
area as possible.

Cheers

Dave R
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No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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Bob Hobden wrote:
The seeds were supplied by T & M and they are saying there is no evidence it
was the seeds, indeed the fact that the same seeds have been sold throughout
the EU and it has only happened in that specific area suggests it's
something else to do with the way the seeds are sprouted in that area.

Water supply used to sprout them seems the obvious one.

This is not a strain of E coli found in the gut of a human healthy enough to be able to stand up for long enough to be working in a restaurant that day. These potentially fatal strains of E coli are most likely the result of contamination with animal waste.

Martin wrote:
Does this remind you of the previous E. Coli outbreak in Germany?

Not n the slightest, because the article firmly states there is NO
SUGGESTION OF A CONNECTION

Not even the similarity in blaming almost anybody, but the most likely
source?

I can't tell if Janet is being sarcastic or not, but I've got to say seeing
the words "NO SUGGESTION OF A CONNECTION" would instantly double my belief
that there was a connection.

Janet wrote:
I've got to say seeing
the words "NO SUGGESTION OF A CONNECTION" would instantly double my belief
that there was a connection.

I've got to say that actually reading the report might help.

Depends on what you mean by help. Reading the report would not make one
iota of difference to my reaction to seeing the words you posted.

"Janet" wrote in message
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In article ,
lid says...
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Does this remind you of the previous E. Coli outbreak in Germany?

Not n the slightest, because the article firmly states there is NO
SUGGESTION OF A CONNECTION
snip

If you go back and read my original post which is now being quoted out of
context, you will note that the similarity I referred to was the actions of
local and national officials in trying to blame outsiders in both outbreaks.

The latest revision of the BBC article says that there is no suggestion of a
connection between both outbreaks i.e. the infection does not share a common
source. Obviously. One was provisionally traced to salad vegetables, the
other to sprouted seeds. Slightly different variants of E. Coli.

The BBC article also notes the suspension of sale of the Thompson & Morgan
seeds - which is (probably unjustly) pointing towards the seeds as the
source and not lack of hygeine in the local food chain.

Finally, for one thing to remind you of another there does not have to be a
direct connection.
There only has to be some points of similarity, enough for one to remind you
of another.
I had assumed that this was obvious.

For the hard of understanding some similarities are E. Coli, eating uncooked
plant matter, pattern of blame redirection.

Cheers

Dave R

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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(='.'=)
(")_(")

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