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"Kay" wrote in message ... On 10/08/2011 09:41, in article , "Bill Grey" wrote: The abolishment of corporal punishment was the start of the rot. I can't agree with that. I know people who started life as bright, confident primary school children, went to a secondary school with corporal punishment, and, although never likely to deliberately break a rule, went in fear and emerged into adulthood with all the confidence knocked out of them. I wouldn't want a return to that. Wow ! Your statement about knowing people etc...... is somewhat surreal. Having confidence knocked out of them is certainly an exaggeration or a distortion of the facts. What sort of school was that ?? Life in school wasn't /that/ bad in the 19th century for goodness sake. As far as I can recall, we didn't hear of "Corporal Punishment" until the incident involving Sea Cadets at Dartmouth (Something like that anyway) We're taking the occasional cane, not the ritual beating up of children. Don't forget when referring to children, some of the rioters and miscreants classed as children are in their early teens and well aware of the consequences of their actions. Bill |
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"Kay" wrote in message ... On 10/08/2011 20:29, in article , "Bill Grey" wrote: "Kay" wrote in message ... Wow ! Your statement about knowing people etc...... is somewhat surreal. Having confidence knocked out of them is certainly an exaggeration or a distortion of the facts. You don't know who I am talking about, so your statement is based on ignorance of the facts. The most you can legitimately say is that your experience is different from mine. You are absolutely correct - I do not know the people to which you refer. However to say that they went to a school with corporal punishmentnet turned them from bright confident children into adults having had the confidence knocked out of them suggests they were bullied rather fhan suffered from the occasional cane or slipper for some minor lapse in their normally impeccable behaviour. Come now, I can't believe that the tag "Corporal punishment" applied the to the school could possibly cause the effect you report without the school being referred to some authority to consider its suitablilty as a centre of education. If not entirely correct, your satement certainly describes the unsatisfactory eduction of some people in most colourful terms Bill |
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Bill Grey wrote: "Kay" wrote in message ... Wow ! Your statement about knowing people etc...... is somewhat surreal. Having confidence knocked out of them is certainly an exaggeration or a distortion of the facts. You don't know who I am talking about, so your statement is based on ignorance of the facts. The most you can legitimately say is that your experience is different from mine. You are absolutely correct - I do not know the people to which you refer. However to say that they went to a school with corporal punishmentnet turned them from bright confident children into adults having had the confidence knocked out of them suggests they were bullied rather fhan suffered from the occasional cane or slipper for some minor lapse in their normally impeccable behaviour. That is true, but only if you use "bully" in a very generic sense; which includes a great deal that used to be regarded as an essential part of proper education. Come now, I can't believe that the tag "Corporal punishment" applied the to the school could possibly cause the effect you report without the school being referred to some authority to consider its suitablilty as a centre of education. And that is not. It took me 20+ years to recover from the PHYSICAL damage caused by punishments at one school, which I discovered later had been classed as torture in the Nueremberg trials! Not extreme torture, but still classified as such. And that was a 'respected' English public school. Do you think that we can drop this? Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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wrote in message ... In article , Bill Grey wrote: "Kay" wrote in message ... Wow ! Your statement about knowing people etc...... is somewhat surreal. Having confidence knocked out of them is certainly an exaggeration or a distortion of the facts. You don't know who I am talking about, so your statement is based on ignorance of the facts. The most you can legitimately say is that your experience is different from mine. You are absolutely correct - I do not know the people to which you refer. However to say that they went to a school with corporal punishmentnet turned them from bright confident children into adults having had the confidence knocked out of them suggests they were bullied rather fhan suffered from the occasional cane or slipper for some minor lapse in their normally impeccable behaviour. That is true, but only if you use "bully" in a very generic sense; which includes a great deal that used to be regarded as an essential part of proper education. Come now, I can't believe that the tag "Corporal punishment" applied the to the school could possibly cause the effect you report without the school being referred to some authority to consider its suitablilty as a centre of education. And that is not. It took me 20+ years to recover from the PHYSICAL damage caused by punishments at one school, which I discovered later had been classed as torture in the Nueremberg trials! Not extreme torture, but still classified as such. And that was a 'respected' English public school. Do you think that we can drop this? Of course, because if one X mentions "the slipper" someone else bring s up "thumbscrews" - theoretically, totally distorting the discussion.. Bill. |
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"Kay" wrote in message ... On 10/08/2011 20:29, in article , "Bill Grey" wrote: "Kay" wrote in message ... Wow ! Your statement about knowing people etc...... is somewhat surreal. Having confidence knocked out of them is certainly an exaggeration or a distortion of the facts. You don't know who I am talking about, so your statement is based on ignorance of the facts. The most you can legitimately say is that your experience is different from mine. You are absolutely correct - I do not know the people to which you refer. However to say that they went to a school with corporal punishmentnet turned them from bright confident children into adults having had the confidence knocked out of them suggests they were bullied rather fhan suffered from the occasional cane or slipper for some minor lapse in their normally impeccable behaviour. In north England and Scotland the tawse (leather strap for hitting/whipping) was still used in state schools up until the 1980's. I know many baby-boomer generation adults in Scotland who say they were terrified of the tawse (and teachers who used it) because of the pain often inflicted.... even for accidental offence or not knowing the right answer. Janet |
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