Internet Etiquette refers to the way you respond to and treat others on the net. Criticising a new blogger for not reading the "rules" in a situation that is truly uncommon in the world of forums is not good etiquette, period.

Newsgroups are such a thing of the past these days your average internet blogger is not expecting to come across them unless they are specifically seeking them out, which I wasn't.

I have not in the past and will probably not in the future enter a forum that somehow ends up on a newsgroup. And if I even realised my post on a forum would end up on a newsgroup, what is so wrong with that in the first place? How could I or anyone else assume that is "wrong" and would be unwelcomed?

Generally in any type of forum, blog, newsgroup, what have you, new members are encouraged. I am not the person to blame for how the system is set up with gardenbanter nor is any other unsuspecting blogger. This group needs to take that up with gardenbanter. I hope the next person unfortunate enough to stumble into this unfriendly little newsgroup is treated a little more kindly.

But once again, I would encourage this group to start their own actual forum and you will then be able to control who is a member and who is allowed to post.

"Sandra Tingle" wrote in message
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kay;937817 Wrote:
I'm sorry that you've been at the receiving end of the frustration and
flak. It's a combination of frustration at our newsgroup, which has been
going for at least 15 years, being used for someone else's commercial
purposes, and personal problems of a particular poster which you were
just unfortunate enough to be the nearest person when he exploded.

But to tell us to read up on netiquette is also out of order in the
circumstances - netiquette for newsgroups includes finding out what it
is you are actually posting to, and not top posting. Gardenbanter says
clearly that it is a "a web gateway to the finest gardening newsgroups"
and there is a "sticky" clearly labelled "please read before posting to
this group". Your posts show no evidence that you have read either of
these.

Internet Etiquette refers to the way you respond to and treat others on
the net. Criticising a new blogger for not reading the "rules" in a
situation that is truly uncommon in the world of forums is not good
etiquette, period.

Newsgroups are such a thing of the past these days your average internet
blogger is not expecting to come across them unless they are
specifically seeking them out, which I wasn't.

I have not in the past and will probably not in the future enter a forum
that somehow ends up on a newsgroup. And if I even realised my post on
a forum would end up on a newsgroup, what is so wrong with that in the
first place? How could I or anyone else assume that is "wrong" and
would be unwelcomed?

Generally in any type of forum, blog, newsgroup, what have you, new
members are encouraged. I am not the person to blame for how the
system is set up with gardenbanter nor is any other unsuspecting
blogger. This group needs to take that up with gardenbanter. I hope
the next person unfortunate enough to stumble into this unfriendly
little newsgroup is treated a little more kindly.

But once again, I would encourage this group to start their own actual
forum and you will then be able to control who is a member and who is
allowed to post.




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Sandra Tingle

Sandra, your last para, under NO circumstances will that happen. "I" have
already suggested that and under NO circumstances would any of them take
notice of what "I" say, ............... on principle

Kindest regards

Welcome on board the 'Hate Train'

Mike
On the South East Coast of the Isle of Wight

and whose wife gardens and has done so for over 50 years
:-))

Sandra, .......... watch the flak and where it comes from :-)

BTW, if you visit the Isle of Wight, give Shanklin Theatre a visit.
http://www.shanklintheatre.com/default.aspx



--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:33:17 +0000, Sandra Tingle
wrote:

pruned

I have stayed out of this thread until now but I think it's worth
Sandra making a cup of coffee and thinking quietly a bit. It's also
worth us all bearing in mind that the "sticky" post about this group
at the top of the GardenBanter(GB) listing dates from 2003. The
revised "welcome" message that the group spent some time on writing
earlier this year is (at the moment) two thirds of the way down the
list on page 3 and will probably be ignored as by the time the average
GB user has got that far they dismiss the title as something
unintelligible.

Sandra's original post received four direct replies (but please bear
in mind that GB does not necessarily display things in the way a
newsreader does - Sandra, you really need to swot up on this as, I
guess, you've got the wrong end of the stick as a result of the messy
way GB works).

Echinosum replied with some suggestions. Sandra said thanks and then
Dave H suggested a rose, which led to a sub-thread that wasn't
directly relevant to Sandra but that's the way newsgroups work (again,
Sandra, you need to swot up on this).

Sacha replied with a question about where Sandra is (whatever is in
the GB profile doesn't show in the group as has been said) and Spider
responded equally positively. Sandra - your answer to Sacha's question
appears in a different sub-thread when viewed in a newsreader. This
confuses us, though is more GB's fault than yours.

But Baz (who has been going through things of late and has announced
that he's leaving the group) got a bit uppity. OK, that's life. If
Sandra had been using a newsreader to access the group, she would have
seen the result of Baz's initial response developing as another
sub-thread which explored the issues we have with GB as a commercial
operation, emphatically NOT GB users, and being quite positive towards
her. If Mike from the IOW input into that sub-thread I don't know as I
happily see neither his posts nor any replies to them - that's what a
kill file (KF) is all about. Mike is another story!

But the simple fact is that GB presents replies in simple
chronological order and thus Sandra will have found it difficult to
work out who was going on about Baz and who was getting at her.

Tempers have got a bit frayed but this, I think, is down to GB.
Sandra, you would seriously benefit from a bit of research into Usenet
which has its own etiquette and is not dying as you suggest. Indeed,
if Usenet and its newsgroups were dying and not worth bothering about
why do sites like Garden Banter draw on them as much as they do? The
answer is that the enthusiasts use Usenet and without Usenet there
would be no Garden Banter. Full Stop!

And finally, Sandra, you would really benefit from getting a
newsreader facility to access this group rather than using a rather
simple, and incapable, web forum front end like GB.That would open a
whole new world for you (and I'm not exaggerating!). Search the GB
archive for lots of suggestions for ways to access Usenet.

Cheers, Jake
================================================== =====
URGling from the less wet end of Swansea Bay in between
sweeping up leaves by the cubic metre!

www.rivendell.org.uk

"Jake" Nospam@invalid wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:33:17 +0000, Sandra Tingle
wrote:

pruned

I have stayed out of this thread until now but I think it's worth
Sandra making a cup of coffee and thinking quietly a bit. It's also
worth us all bearing in mind that the "sticky" post about this group
at the top of the GardenBanter(GB) listing dates from 2003. The
revised "welcome" message that the group spent some time on writing
earlier this year is (at the moment) two thirds of the way down the
list on page 3 and will probably be ignored as by the time the average
GB user has got that far they dismiss the title as something
unintelligible.

Sandra's original post received four direct replies (but please bear
in mind that GB does not necessarily display things in the way a
newsreader does - Sandra, you really need to swot up on this as, I
guess, you've got the wrong end of the stick as a result of the messy
way GB works).

Echinosum replied with some suggestions. Sandra said thanks and then
Dave H suggested a rose, which led to a sub-thread that wasn't
directly relevant to Sandra but that's the way newsgroups work (again,
Sandra, you need to swot up on this).

Sacha replied with a question about where Sandra is (whatever is in
the GB profile doesn't show in the group as has been said) and Spider
responded equally positively. Sandra - your answer to Sacha's question
appears in a different sub-thread when viewed in a newsreader. This
confuses us, though is more GB's fault than yours.

But Baz (who has been going through things of late and has announced
that he's leaving the group) got a bit uppity. OK, that's life. If
Sandra had been using a newsreader to access the group, she would have
seen the result of Baz's initial response developing as another
sub-thread which explored the issues we have with GB as a commercial
operation, emphatically NOT GB users, and being quite positive towards
her. If Mike from the IOW input into that sub-thread I don't know as I
happily see neither his posts nor any replies to them - that's what a
kill file (KF) is all about. Mike is another story!

But the simple fact is that GB presents replies in simple
chronological order and thus Sandra will have found it difficult to
work out who was going on about Baz and who was getting at her.

Tempers have got a bit frayed but this, I think, is down to GB.
Sandra, you would seriously benefit from a bit of research into Usenet
which has its own etiquette and is not dying as you suggest. Indeed,
if Usenet and its newsgroups were dying and not worth bothering about
why do sites like Garden Banter draw on them as much as they do? The
answer is that the enthusiasts use Usenet and without Usenet there
would be no Garden Banter. Full Stop!

And finally, Sandra, you would really benefit from getting a
newsreader facility to access this group rather than using a rather
simple, and incapable, web forum front end like GB.That would open a
whole new world for you (and I'm not exaggerating!). Search the GB
archive for lots of suggestions for ways to access Usenet.

Cheers, Jake
================================================== =====
URGling from the less wet end of Swansea Bay in between
sweeping up leaves by the cubic metre!

www.rivendell.org.uk


So there you are Sandra. That's put you in your place in the eyes of those
who own urg.

Don't do it again ;-)

Mike


--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

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--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................

You didn't need to seek out the information - it's written across the heading of the Gardenbanter site!!

And looking at a "sticky" which is the first post on a forum is good practice and good etiquette (and widespread across forums), especially one that is clearly labelled as to be read before you make your first post. I dislike being criticised for lack of netiquette by someone who is selective in their adherence to it.

But thanks for not top-posting on your most recent post :-)

Wrong way round. It's the newsgroup that ends up on a forum.
What is unwelcomed it that urg posts end up on a forum.

No, you're not, and urglers have said that in this thread.

Urg has been running for around 15 years, and many of us have been here all that time. We prefer the easier reading format that you have with newreading software, and have already rejected running a moderated newsgroup.