Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San Francisco
Bay Area).

Thanks.

--
Bill Bushnell
http://mrbill.homeip.net/

In message , Bill Bushnell
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Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San Francisco
Bay Area).

Thanks.


This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

However, try Ailanthus.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On 10/7/2011 5:58 PM, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San
Francisco
Bay Area).

Thanks.


This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

However, try Ailanthus.

It does look like it.
Grabbing a leaf and crushing would tell for sure - it stinks.

In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:
On 10/7/2011 5:58 PM, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San
Francisco
Bay Area).

This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

True, but some of us have some clue about such things.

However, try Ailanthus.

It does look like it.
Grabbing a leaf and crushing would tell for sure - it stinks.

The leaves look right, but the bark doesn't, and what may be the
residue of the flowers doesn't, either. And I am afraid that
lots of other leaves stink!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 10/8/2011 4:41 AM, wrote:
S wrote:
On 10/7/2011 5:58 PM, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San
Francisco Bay Area).

This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

True, but some of us have some clue about such things.

However, try Ailanthus.

It does look like it.
Grabbing a leaf and crushing would tell for sure - it stinks.

The leaves look right, but the bark doesn't, and what may be the
residue of the flowers doesn't, either. And I am afraid that
lots of other leaves stink!

Perhaps a better photo would help to clarify.
I'm currently in the US (east coast) and there are a number of stinky
Ailanthus in the area which look very like that one.

S Viemeister wrote:
On 10/8/2011 4:41 AM, wrote:
S wrote:
On 10/7/2011 5:58 PM, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San
Francisco Bay Area).

This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

True, but some of us have some clue about such things.

However, try Ailanthus.

It does look like it.
Grabbing a leaf and crushing would tell for sure - it stinks.

The leaves look right, but the bark doesn't, and what may be the
residue of the flowers doesn't, either. And I am afraid that
lots of other leaves stink!

Perhaps a better photo would help to clarify.
I'm currently in the US (east coast) and there are a number of stinky
Ailanthus in the area which look very like that one.

I wanted to learn what kind of tree this was because I believe my next-door neighbors are
growing one or have allowed a volunteer to grow in their garden. Normally I would not be
too concerned, but in this case I have solar panels on my roof that are starting to become
shaded by this tree. The lost energy generation is not much right now, about 1.5kwh/day,
but the loss will only increase as the tree grows larger.

I put together a short photo album showing their tree (first three photos) and a different
mature tree that I posted earlier.:

http://mrbill.homeip.net/albums/ailanthusAltissima/

Solar panel shading during afternoon insolation from the neighbors' Ailanthus:

http://mrbill.homeip.net/albums/sola...ow.2011.06.20/

My next step is to discuss this with my neighbors. Their tree is not an ugly tree, and I
suspect they rather like the shade it provides, so they may resist the idea of removing it
and planting something different in its stead.

With such a fast-growing tree that when mature can be 40m tall, is trimming a practical
solution?

Does anyone have additional advice?

Thanks.

--
Bill Bushnell
http://mrbill.homeip.net/

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San Francisco
Bay Area).

Thanks.


This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

However, try Ailanthus.

Stewart,

Thanks for the name. I believe that is the tree. Apparently it's an invasive
species here in North America as well as in the UK.

Sorry for posting here, but this is the only active gardening group I could find
on my Usenet feed.

--
Bill Bushnell
http://mrbill.homeip.net/

In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California (San
Francisco
Bay Area).

Thanks.


This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

However, try Ailanthus.

Stewart,

Thanks for the name. I believe that is the tree. Apparently it's an invasive
species here in North America as well as in the UK.

Sorry for posting here, but this is the only active gardening group I
could find
on my Usenet feed.

The international/US group is news:rec.gardens. For no obvious reason it
seems to be deny, but there is still a reasonable amount of activity.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In message , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes
In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?

http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg

The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California
(San Francisco
Bay Area).

Thanks.


This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

However, try Ailanthus.

Stewart,

Thanks for the name. I believe that is the tree. Apparently it's an invasive
species here in North America as well as in the UK.

Sorry for posting here, but this is the only active gardening group I
could find
on my Usenet feed.

The international/US group is news:rec.gardens. For no obvious reason
it seems to be deny, but there is still a reasonable amount of activity.

s/deny/dieing/
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In message , Sacha
writes
On 2011-10-07 23:56:27 +0100, Bill Bushnell said:

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Bill Bushnell
writes
Can someone identify the following tree for me?
http://mrbill.homeip.net/downloads/l...Identified.jpg
The tree is growing in a suburban yard in Sunnyvale, California
(San Francisco
Bay Area).
Thanks.


This is a UK (United Kingdom) group, so we are not particularly
qualified to identify Californian trees.

However, try Ailanthus.
Stewart,
Thanks for the name. I believe that is the tree. Apparently it's
an invasive
species here in North America as well as in the UK.
Sorry for posting here, but this is the only active gardening group
I could find
on my Usenet feed.

I think its nickname is Tree of Heaven.

Also, because of its invasive nature in some places, unpleasant odour,
and suckering, Tree of Hell.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes
Also, because of its invasive nature in some places, unpleasant odour,
and suckering, Tree of Hell.

I've got a fairly large one of these in the garden and it is rather
attractive at times. Particularly in spring, looking up through its
leaves/branches you get a lovely dappled, twinkling vista. We get no
seedlings (I think its male) and only two suckers that I can recall.

Very 'architectural' branches too - big and long, making it look like an
excellent tree for those with a tree climbing bent. However, I think
the wood itself is really light and subject to breaking so I wouldn't
actually try (even if I weren't past such things anyway).

The main problem is the mess that it makes. It seems to drop stuff more
often than most trees. Flower cases; flowers, leaves and leave
'branches'. It seems to be the dead flowers that smell the worst,
particularly when wet. A very odd smell - not pleasant but not actively
vile.

Eating outside is not very pleasant when the flowers are falling - they
get in everything.

Actually, no - the main problem is birds (particularly pigeons, rooks
and magpies) crapping all over the patio They find it a grand tree to
perch in. Which I'm surprised at, as my Bengal finds it a fantastic
tree to hurtle up.

--
regards andyw

On 10/8/2011 4:49 AM, Sacha wrote:

I think its nickname is Tree of Heaven.

In my family, we've always called it Poverty Tree - it seeds itself
everywhere, and is particularly noticeable in poor, neglected, rundown
inner-city areas.
It grows in vacant lots, in cracks in the pavement, in rain gutters,
between bricks in walls, it crowds out more attractive plants along
motorways...

I hate it.

On 10/8/2011 9:29 AM, Sacha wrote:
On 2011-10-08 14:21:33 +0100, S Viemeister said:
On 10/8/2011 4:49 AM, Sacha wrote:
I think its nickname is Tree of Heaven.

In my family, we've always called it Poverty Tree - it seeds itself
everywhere, and is particularly noticeable in poor, neglected, rundown
inner-city areas.
It grows in vacant lots, in cracks in the pavement, in rain gutters,
between bricks in walls, it crowds out more attractive plants along
motorways...

I hate it.

The nickname came about because of its great height, I think. It's
amazing how many things are one country's weed and another's cherished
plant. We grow and sell Lonicera involucrata and I believe it's regarded
as a real nuisance in parts of USA. That's just one example of many, of
course!

When I returned to the UK after many years away, I was
amazed/astounded/horrified to see that the Botanical Gardens in
Edinburgh featured Ailanthus!
Lythrum salicaria (Purple loosestrife) is causing problems in parts of
the US, where it is out-competing native plants.

In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:

When I returned to the UK after many years away, I was
amazed/astounded/horrified to see that the Botanical Gardens in
Edinburgh featured Ailanthus!
Lythrum salicaria (Purple loosestrife) is causing problems in parts of
the US, where it is out-competing native plants.

The UK has almost certainly the most resilient ecology in the world,
when it comes to invasive land plants. Excluding the politically
correct blithering, the only two that have caused significant
trouble have been Japanese knotweed and (in a VERY few areas)
Rhododendron ponticum. The reason is, of course, that almost
all our plant and animal species have arrived in the past 11,000
years. Similarly, almost all endangerment of our 'native' species
has been due to habitat loss or destruction, followed by the loss
of predators which has caused the woodland deer and grey squirrel
populations to rocket.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 10/8/2011 11:42 AM, Sacha wrote:

Like the lupins 'escaping' in NZ. They're regarded as a pest there but
to the tourists, they're a sight of real beauty.

I love lupines, and have lots of them in my garden in Sutherland, but
I've had poor luck trying to grow them in the US - they rarely last more
than 3 years.
To grow them in Sutherland, all I have to do is scatter a few seeds, or
dig up and transplant 'volunteers' from the gravel around the house, and
they come back year after year after year...