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A bit of a ticking off!
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A bit of a ticking off!
Janet wrote in news:MPG.2930be945276600798abf2
@news.eternal-september.org: In article , says... Things have moved on since then. For the worse. We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK. Don't talk nonsense. Janet You pop up every now and then to give your view on things, and that is good. Are you telling me and the group that I am wrong in saying that a sign saying "Beware of the Dog" is lawful? or unlawful, because I beleive it to be unlawful, and so does the law of the UK. I don't agree with the policy but it stands. I am certain that you will contest this because that's you and I would not like it any other way. Baz |
A bit of a ticking off!
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A bit of a ticking off!
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:17:36 GMT, Baz wrote:
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and installed them. All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven knows what else. Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless your intentions are criminal. He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they knew where he was. The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to protect my property. Baz Sorry for maybe picking the wrong point to jump in to this exchange but only a court can issue an ASBO. Frankly, if the circumstances are as described, no magistrates court would issue one in this case. You might get another penalty for causing injury but NOT an ASBO. OTOH, as any responsible citizen will know, we are not allowed to defend our territory. An Englilsh man's home is open season to everyone.(Here in Wales it's different) If you have a garden pond and a child gets into your garden and drowns in it, you are responsible because you didn't take all reasonable (which means all) steps to prevent the child getting in in the first place. So the child climbed over a 6 foot high wall!!!!!????? Sorry! I'm not sure how Baz laid out his barbed wire trap. But maybe a letter to David Cameron Esq, c/o 10 Downing Street would help. Ask Mr C (who has gone on at length about restoring our right to defend our property) how he would react in given situation. But Baz. Didn't you place that barbed wire there because you were concerned about the number of cats who were attacking the birds in your garden and you wanted to protect the birds? Your garden is clearly secured against all reasonable human incursions so you had no reason to think that any human would get caught up in the barbed wire. Cheers, Jake ========================================== Proud to be a member of the Taffy Trio along with Dave and Bill, especially as the East End, where I'm at, is the drier one :) |
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In article , Baz
writes The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I can find, as tempting as it is. Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all? -- Janet Tweedy |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:07:36 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote:
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I can find, as tempting as it is. Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all? Or trampled some grass or other valuable cro^H^H^Hplant. How about leaving behind a biohazard? Drops of blood, you can catch all manner of nasties from anothers blood. Trespass is a bit weird there is no offence provided the trespasser leaves when asked. -- Cheers Dave. |
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In message , Baz
writes "MuddyMike" wrote in news:pcSdnSb4450xAFvTnZ2dnUVZ7oCdnZ2d@brightview. com: "Baz" wrote in message ... We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and installed them. All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven knows what else. Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless your intentions are criminal. He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they knew where he was. The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to protect my property. Baz I have put up barbed wire to stop little scrotes flattening the mesh I put along the top of a wall to stop the dog escaping. It has never occurred to me that I may be in trouble if said scrotes hurt themselves on it. To be honest although it is along a back wall mostly out of sight I hate seeing it there but had no choice. Mike, a word of caution, Keep your barbed wire, but be aware that you could get yourself a criminal record if a perp injures him/herself whilst potentially harming you or your property after entering your premises. I hope it never happens to you. Barbed wire along the top of a fence/wall etc. is fine - it's likely to be clear to anyone trying to climb over - though probably wise to keep it up high enough to avoid accidental contact. Signs might be a wise if in doubt (like the ones you see for anti climb paint etc.) You fell foul of putting something out deliberately to catch someone who would be otherwise unawares. It might be that suitable visible signs at the entrance to the property might have been sufficient to avoid the problem with the FPN. And they would not necessarily be intending to do a criminal act - trespass itself isn't a criminal offence. And someone may come into your garden for entirely innocent reasons -say a dog escaped and got into your garden. They might come into retrieve it when no one was about. If you have a suitable wall etc. they go over, anti climb/vandal paint can work well. As it causes them some grief with paint on hands clothes etc. -- Chris French |
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In message ,
Janet writes In article , says... NO I will not pay up. Never. Thats the point, I consider myself innocent. Failure to pay up a Fixed Penalty can result in arrest, and a higher fine. It strikes me that he ought to speaking to a lawyer, or at least to his son. Janet -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 18/11/2011 11:17, Baz wrote:
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and installed them. All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven knows what else. Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless your intentions are criminal. He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they knew where he was. The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to protect my property. Baz Oh, that's awful, Baz! I'm so sorry to hear that. Protecting your own property and interests these days seems to be fraught with problems. Can you plant a prickly rose against that fence so that you have some protection? Provided you keep it trimmed at the top (which will make it denser ;~)), I don't see how the police can object. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
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On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In , says... Things have moved on since then. For the worse. We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK. Don't talk nonsense. Janet I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not as many as I used to see in the UK though. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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David in Normandy wrote in
r: On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote: In , says... Things have moved on since then. For the worse. We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK. Don't talk nonsense. Janet I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not as many as I used to see in the UK though. I see. I have gotten the wrong end of the stick, as it were. Ruff ruff. Seriously I do tend not to read things properly, not an excuse, but I do work hard at it. So Janet, I was talking nonsense. My apologies. Baz |
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On 11/19/2011 03:04 PM, David in Normandy wrote:
On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote: In , says... Things have moved on since then. For the worse. We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK. Don't talk nonsense. Janet I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not as many as I used to see in the UK though. ? Since you're liable whether you have a sign or not, I'm afraid that doesn't hold much water, sorry David. However not to worry if your dog bites someone! ;) Liability insurance is obligatory in France, and is your home insurance policy covers anything that happens on your property. If you instruct your dog to attack someone I imagine you'd be done for GBH though. -E |
A bit of a ticking off!
Janet Tweedy wrote in
: In article , Baz writes The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I can find, as tempting as it is. Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all? Very droll. But amusing. Baz |
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Emery Davis wrote in
: On 11/19/2011 03:04 PM, David in Normandy wrote: On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote: In , says... Things have moved on since then. For the worse. We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK. Don't talk nonsense. Janet I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not as many as I used to see in the UK though. ? Since you're liable whether you have a sign or not, I'm afraid that doesn't hold much water, sorry David. However not to worry if your dog bites someone! ;) Liability insurance is obligatory in France, and is your home insurance policy covers anything that happens on your property. If you instruct your dog to attack someone I imagine you'd be done for GBH though. -E Well, it seems to me that this forum has to be included within this discussion http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/120561.html Don't forget that the topic was about human interference not canine. Baz |
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