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Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 11:17 AM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz




Bob Hobden 18-11-2011 12:58 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
"Baz" wrote ...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.


Well at least you won't get called up for jury service now you have a
criminal record. :-)
Bit harsh though, for just putting barbed wire up on ones own property, if
it's considered that anti social why is it allowed to be sold. Did you ask
the Court what you should have done instead? They would probably say call
the Police, so you waste a phone call. I trust the other party, the
trespasser, got a similar ASBO?

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup from the W. of London UK


Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 05:11 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
"Bob Hobden" wrote in
:

"Baz" wrote ...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and
heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in
MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out
unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.


Well at least you won't get called up for jury service now you have a
criminal record. :-)
Bit harsh though, for just putting barbed wire up on ones own
property, if it's considered that anti social why is it allowed to be
sold. Did you ask the Court what you should have done instead? They
would probably say call the Police, so you waste a phone call. I trust
the other party, the trespasser, got a similar ASBO?


An ASBO is issued by a police officer. No courts...Yet.
And you are right I should have called police.
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I can
find, as tempting as it is.

This is just another lesson I need to learn.
Provide PPE for intruders and a first aid box just in case the little
darlings hurt themselves on my property. Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)

Baz

'Mike'[_4_] 18-11-2011 05:21 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 


"Baz" wrote in message
...
"Bob Hobden" wrote in
:

"Baz" wrote ...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and
heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in
MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out
unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.


Well at least you won't get called up for jury service now you have a
criminal record. :-)
Bit harsh though, for just putting barbed wire up on ones own
property, if it's considered that anti social why is it allowed to be
sold. Did you ask the Court what you should have done instead? They
would probably say call the Police, so you waste a phone call. I trust
the other party, the trespasser, got a similar ASBO?


An ASBO is issued by a police officer. No courts...Yet.
And you are right I should have called police.
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I
can
find, as tempting as it is.

This is just another lesson I need to learn.
Provide PPE for intruders and a first aid box just in case the little
darlings hurt themselves on my property. Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)

Baz


""Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)
Baz""

With the way you go about things, you would be in prison by now :-((

Sooooooooooooooooo glad you are no neighbour of mine!!

Mike

--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................




Fuschia[_3_] 18-11-2011 05:26 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:18 -0000, "'Mike'"
wrote:



"Baz" wrote in message
.. .
"Bob Hobden" wrote in
:

"Baz" wrote ...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and
heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in
MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out
unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.


Well at least you won't get called up for jury service now you have a
criminal record. :-)
Bit harsh though, for just putting barbed wire up on ones own
property, if it's considered that anti social why is it allowed to be
sold. Did you ask the Court what you should have done instead? They
would probably say call the Police, so you waste a phone call. I trust
the other party, the trespasser, got a similar ASBO?


An ASBO is issued by a police officer. No courts...Yet.
And you are right I should have called police.
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I
can
find, as tempting as it is.

This is just another lesson I need to learn.
Provide PPE for intruders and a first aid box just in case the little
darlings hurt themselves on my property. Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)

Baz


""Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)
Baz""

With the way you go about things, you would be in prison by now :-((

Sooooooooooooooooo glad you are no neighbour of mine!!

Not as glad as he is!

'Mike'[_4_] 18-11-2011 05:37 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 


"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:18 -0000, "'Mike'"
wrote:



"Baz" wrote in message
. ..
"Bob Hobden" wrote in
:

"Baz" wrote ...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and
heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in
MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out
unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.


Well at least you won't get called up for jury service now you have a
criminal record. :-)
Bit harsh though, for just putting barbed wire up on ones own
property, if it's considered that anti social why is it allowed to be
sold. Did you ask the Court what you should have done instead? They
would probably say call the Police, so you waste a phone call. I trust
the other party, the trespasser, got a similar ASBO?


An ASBO is issued by a police officer. No courts...Yet.
And you are right I should have called police.
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I
can
find, as tempting as it is.

This is just another lesson I need to learn.
Provide PPE for intruders and a first aid box just in case the little
darlings hurt themselves on my property. Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)

Baz


""Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)
Baz""

With the way you go about things, you would be in prison by now :-((

Sooooooooooooooooo glad you are no neighbour of mine!!

Not as glad as he is!


I bet!!!!

We got on fine around here and help each other. I have had my neighbours
helping me to clear gutters this afternoon. Imagine if baz had to accept
responsibility for being a 'responsible caring' neighbour with the antics he
gets up to!!!!

Would I like to leave the keys to my house for 4 months to him when I am
away? In the words of a once regular troll on this newsgroup "I think not"
:-((((((((((((((

Mike

--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................




Martin Brown 18-11-2011 05:59 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On 18/11/2011 12:58, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Baz" wrote ...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought
they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Sounds to me from your description a bit more like you were installing a
man trap in your garden using barbed wire. Not surprised the police did
you for it.

Well at least you won't get called up for jury service now you have a
criminal record. :-)
Bit harsh though, for just putting barbed wire up on ones own property,
if it's considered that anti social why is it allowed to be sold. Did
you ask the Court what you should have done instead? They would probably
say call the Police, so you waste a phone call. I trust the other party,
the trespasser, got a similar ASBO?


Far more effective to grow wild rambling rose, pyrocantha or berberis.
All entirely natural versions of barbed wire and at present legal.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

MuddyMike 18-11-2011 06:02 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 

"Baz" wrote in message
...
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz


I have put up barbed wire to stop little scrotes flattening the mesh I put
along the top of a wall to stop the dog escaping. It has never occurred to
me that I may be in trouble if said scrotes hurt themselves on it. To be
honest although it is along a back wall mostly out of sight I hate seeing it
there but had no choice.

Mike



Rod[_5_] 18-11-2011 06:12 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On Nov 18, 5:11*pm, Baz wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote :





"Baz" *wrote *...


We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.


All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and
heaven knows what else.


Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in
MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out
unless your intentions are criminal.


He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.


The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.


Well at least you won't get called up for jury service now you have a
criminal record. *:-)
Bit harsh though, for just putting barbed wire up on ones own
property, if it's considered that anti social why is it allowed to be
sold. Did you ask the Court what you should have done instead? They
would probably say call the Police, so you waste a phone call. I trust
the other party, the trespasser, got a similar ASBO?


An ASBO is issued by a police officer. No courts...Yet.
And you are right I should have called police.
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I can
find, as tempting as it is.

This is just another lesson I need to learn.
Provide PPE for intruders and a first aid box just in case the little
darlings hurt themselves on my property. Just imagine what might have
happened if I caught him red handed.(shudder)

Baz- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Just plant sweet briars like Meg Merrilees or Anne of Geirstein - much
nicer than razor wire and not so anti-social ;~))

Rod

Bob Hobden 18-11-2011 06:39 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
"MuddyMike" wrote

I have put up barbed wire to stop little scrotes flattening the mesh I put
along the top of a wall to stop the dog escaping. It has never occurred to
me that I may be in trouble if said scrotes hurt themselves on it. To be
honest although it is along a back wall mostly out of sight I hate seeing
it there but had no choice.

I was told by the Police some years ago that it is OK if no-one can touch it
whilst standing on the ground. That is, they have to be attempting climbing
over etc to get near it. I know one house I walk past has an electrified
fence on top of their wall judging by the insulated connectors. I've also
seen a house with a sign saying "This property is booby trapped,
unauthorised entry will cause injury and may cause death" but that was
abroad.
--
Regards Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup from the W. of London UK


Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 06:50 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
"MuddyMike" wrote in
om:


"Baz" wrote in message
...
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost)
some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer
and heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way
in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or
out unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek
to protect my property.

Baz


I have put up barbed wire to stop little scrotes flattening the mesh I
put along the top of a wall to stop the dog escaping. It has never
occurred to me that I may be in trouble if said scrotes hurt
themselves on it. To be honest although it is along a back wall mostly
out of sight I hate seeing it there but had no choice.

Mike



Mike, a word of caution,
Keep your barbed wire, but be aware that you could get yourself a criminal
record if a perp injures him/herself whilst potentially harming you or your
property after entering your premises. I hope it never happens to you.

Baz

Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 07:06 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
"Bob Hobden" wrote in
:

"MuddyMike" wrote

I have put up barbed wire to stop little scrotes flattening the mesh I
put along the top of a wall to stop the dog escaping. It has never
occurred to me that I may be in trouble if said scrotes hurt
themselves on it. To be honest although it is along a back wall mostly
out of sight I hate seeing it there but had no choice.

I was told by the Police some years ago that it is OK if no-one can
touch it whilst standing on the ground. That is, they have to be
attempting climbing over etc to get near it. I know one house I walk
past has an electrified fence on top of their wall judging by the
insulated connectors. I've also seen a house with a sign saying "This
property is booby trapped, unauthorised entry will cause injury and
may cause death" but that was abroad.


Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.
In fact I beleive we have to rely on not being killed or injured while we
sleep, and if we are then simply 'phone the police during any attack, life
threating or not. Simple when some scroat has you by the balls or has your
wife nailed to the coffee table.

Baz

Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 07:14 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
Janet wrote in news:MPG.2930bd4461ba771398abf1
@news.eternal-september.org:

says...

An ASBO is issued by a police officer. No courts...Yet.


Er,no. ASBOs are issued by magistrate courts. Not police.


Janet


OK. Janet yes I have a fixed penalty ticket. £80 for anti-social behaviour.
is this not an ASBO?

Baz

Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 07:21 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
Janet wrote in news:MPG.2930be945276600798abf2
@news.eternal-september.org:

In article ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.


Don't talk nonsense.

Janet


OK.

Baz

Stewart Robert Hinsley 18-11-2011 07:30 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
In message , Baz
writes
Janet wrote in news:MPG.2930bd4461ba771398abf1
:

says...

An ASBO is issued by a police officer. No courts...Yet.


Er,no. ASBOs are issued by magistrate courts. Not police.


Janet


OK. Janet yes I have a fixed penalty ticket. £80 for anti-social behaviour.
is this not an ASBO?

Baz


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASBO
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

prb 18-11-2011 07:37 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
In article ,
says...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz


You got nicked because you will pay up without making a fuss, the scrote
will probably have a social worker and probation officer and will know
how to play the system causing no end of work for plod. You will simply
pay up and put it down to experience.

Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 07:38 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
Janet wrote in news:MPG.2930be945276600798abf2
@news.eternal-september.org:

In article ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.


Don't talk nonsense.

Janet


You pop up every now and then to give your view on things, and that is
good.
Are you telling me and the group that I am wrong in saying that a sign
saying "Beware of the Dog" is lawful? or unlawful, because I beleive it to
be unlawful, and so does the law of the UK. I don't agree with the policy
but it stands.
I am certain that you will contest this because that's you and I would not
like it any other way.

Baz

Baz[_3_] 18-11-2011 07:44 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
prb wrote in
m:

In article ,
says...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost)
some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer
and heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way
in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or
out unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek
to protect my property.

Baz


You got nicked because you will pay up without making a fuss, the
scrote will probably have a social worker and probation officer and
will know how to play the system causing no end of work for plod. You
will simply pay up and put it down to experience.


NO I will not pay up. Never. Thats the point, I consider myself innocent.

Baz

Jake 18-11-2011 09:57 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:17:36 GMT, Baz wrote:

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz


Sorry for maybe picking the wrong point to jump in to this exchange
but only a court can issue an ASBO. Frankly, if the circumstances are
as described, no magistrates court would issue one in this case. You
might get another penalty for causing injury but NOT an ASBO.

OTOH, as any responsible citizen will know, we are not allowed to
defend our territory. An Englilsh man's home is open season to
everyone.(Here in Wales it's different) If you have a garden pond and
a child gets into your garden and drowns in it, you are responsible
because you didn't take all reasonable (which means all) steps to
prevent the child getting in in the first place. So the child climbed
over a 6 foot high wall!!!!!????? Sorry!

I'm not sure how Baz laid out his barbed wire trap. But maybe a letter
to David Cameron Esq, c/o 10 Downing Street would help. Ask Mr C (who
has gone on at length about restoring our right to defend our
property) how he would react in given situation.

But Baz. Didn't you place that barbed wire there because you were
concerned about the number of cats who were attacking the birds in
your garden and you wanted to protect the birds? Your garden is
clearly secured against all reasonable human incursions so you had no
reason to think that any human would get caught up in the barbed wire.

Cheers, Jake
==========================================
Proud to be a member of the Taffy Trio
along with Dave and Bill, especially as
the East End, where I'm at, is the drier one :)

Janet Tweedy 18-11-2011 10:07 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
In article , Baz
writes
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I can
find, as tempting as it is.



Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all?
--
Janet Tweedy


Dave Liquorice[_3_] 18-11-2011 10:40 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:07:36 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote:

The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No

damage I
can find, as tempting as it is.


Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all?


Or trampled some grass or other valuable cro^H^H^Hplant.

How about leaving behind a biohazard? Drops of blood, you can catch
all manner of nasties from anothers blood.

Trespass is a bit weird there is no offence provided the trespasser
leaves when asked.

--
Cheers
Dave.




chris French 19-11-2011 01:03 AM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
In message , Baz
writes
"MuddyMike" wrote in
news:pcSdnSb4450xAFvTnZ2dnUVZ7oCdnZ2d@brightview. com:


"Baz" wrote in message
...
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost)
some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer
and heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way
in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or
out unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek
to protect my property.

Baz


I have put up barbed wire to stop little scrotes flattening the mesh I
put along the top of a wall to stop the dog escaping. It has never
occurred to me that I may be in trouble if said scrotes hurt
themselves on it. To be honest although it is along a back wall mostly
out of sight I hate seeing it there but had no choice.


Mike, a word of caution,
Keep your barbed wire, but be aware that you could get yourself a criminal
record if a perp injures him/herself whilst potentially harming you or your
property after entering your premises. I hope it never happens to you.


Barbed wire along the top of a fence/wall etc. is fine - it's likely to
be clear to anyone trying to climb over - though probably wise to keep
it up high enough to avoid accidental contact. Signs might be a wise if
in doubt (like the ones you see for anti climb paint etc.)

You fell foul of putting something out deliberately to catch someone who
would be otherwise unawares. It might be that suitable visible signs at
the entrance to the property might have been sufficient to avoid the
problem with the FPN.

And they would not necessarily be intending to do a criminal act -
trespass itself isn't a criminal offence. And someone may come into your
garden for entirely innocent reasons -say a dog escaped and got into
your garden. They might come into retrieve it when no one was about.

If you have a suitable wall etc. they go over, anti climb/vandal paint
can work well. As it causes them some grief with paint on hands clothes
etc.
--
Chris French


Stewart Robert Hinsley 19-11-2011 09:36 AM

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In message ,
Janet writes
In article ,
says...

NO I will not pay up. Never. Thats the point, I consider myself

innocent.


Failure to pay up a Fixed Penalty can result in arrest, and a higher
fine.


It strikes me that he ought to speaking to a lawyer, or at least to his
son.

Janet


--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

shazzbat 19-11-2011 09:52 AM

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"Baz" wrote in message
...
prb wrote in
m:

In article ,
says...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost)
some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer
and heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way
in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or
out unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek
to protect my property.

Baz


You got nicked because you will pay up without making a fuss, the
scrote will probably have a social worker and probation officer and
will know how to play the system causing no end of work for plod. You
will simply pay up and put it down to experience.


NO I will not pay up. Never. Thats the point, I consider myself innocent.


And so do I. I would refuse to pay the fixed penalty, and insist on going to
court. Make sure you let the plod know that you consider their actions
outrageous and unacceptable, especially if they are taking no action against
the intruder. They will almost certainly get the wobbles, and settle for
sending you a "don't do it again" letter. Attack is always the best form of
defence.

It may also be possible to get an injunction against the scrote to keep him
off your property in future.

Of course IANAL, and uk legal may be of more help to you.

Steve



Spider[_3_] 19-11-2011 12:51 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On 18/11/2011 11:17, Baz wrote:
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz



Oh, that's awful, Baz! I'm so sorry to hear that. Protecting your own
property and interests these days seems to be fraught with problems.

Can you plant a prickly rose against that fence so that you have some
protection? Provided you keep it trimmed at the top (which will make it
denser ;~)), I don't see how the police can object.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

David in Normandy[_8_] 19-11-2011 02:04 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.


Don't talk nonsense.

Janet


I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I
were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal
admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the
dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not
as many as I used to see in the UK though.

--
David in Normandy.

To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.

Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 02:39 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
David in Normandy wrote in
r:

On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the
UK.


Don't talk nonsense.

Janet


I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I
were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a
legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by
the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there,
not as many as I used to see in the UK though.


I see.
I have gotten the wrong end of the stick, as it were. Ruff ruff.

Seriously I do tend not to read things properly, not an excuse, but I do
work hard at it.

So Janet, I was talking nonsense.
My apologies.

Baz

Emery Davis[_4_] 19-11-2011 02:44 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
On 11/19/2011 03:04 PM, David in Normandy wrote:
On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.


Don't talk nonsense.

Janet


I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I
were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal
admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the
dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not
as many as I used to see in the UK though.


? Since you're liable whether you have a sign or not, I'm afraid that
doesn't hold much water, sorry David.

However not to worry if your dog bites someone! ;) Liability insurance
is obligatory in France, and is your home insurance policy covers
anything that happens on your property. If you instruct your dog to
attack someone I imagine you'd be done for GBH though.

-E

Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 02:45 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
Janet Tweedy wrote in
:

In article , Baz
writes
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage
I can find, as tempting as it is.



Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all?


Very droll. But amusing.

Baz

Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 03:23 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
Emery Davis wrote in
:

On 11/19/2011 03:04 PM, David in Normandy wrote:
On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in
the UK.

Don't talk nonsense.

Janet


I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if
I were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a
legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten
by the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and
there, not as many as I used to see in the UK though.


? Since you're liable whether you have a sign or not, I'm afraid that
doesn't hold much water, sorry David.

However not to worry if your dog bites someone! ;) Liability insurance
is obligatory in France, and is your home insurance policy covers
anything that happens on your property. If you instruct your dog to
attack someone I imagine you'd be done for GBH though.

-E

Well, it seems to me that this forum has to be included within this
discussion

http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/120561.html

Don't forget that the topic was about human interference not canine.

Baz


David Rance[_6_] 19-11-2011 05:34 PM

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 Baz wrote:

Very droll. But amusing.


Tautology.

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
http://rance.org.uk


Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 06:01 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
Janet wrote in
:

In article ,
Nospam@invalid says...

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:27:13 -0000, Janet wrote:


There is nothing unlawful about putting up a sign that says
"beware of
the dog".

A few years ago there was a case where a dog attacked someone in a
chap's back garden. He argued that the dog was normally docile and
wasn't a guard dog as such but the fact that he had a "beware of the
dog" sign on his gate (as a deterrent to intruders) was taken as
evidence that he really thought the dog might be dangerous and he had
to pay damages to the intruder. IIRC the court nearly ordered the
dog's destruction but was persuaded not to.


Which still does not make it illegal to put up the sign.

Janet.


Just **** off then.
I have tried to please your ****ed up ego.

Baz

Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 06:03 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 
Janet wrote in news:MPG.2931f4f09860509598abf9
@news.eternal-september.org:

In article ,
says...
I see.
I have gotten the wrong end of the stick, as it were. Ruff ruff.

Seriously I do tend not to read things properly,


I noticed :-)

not an excuse, but I do work hard at it.

So Janet, I was talking nonsense.
My apologies.


Thankyou, that's OK.
Be careful with the FPN that you don't make the situation worse for
yourself.

Janet


ffo

Baz

'Mike'[_4_] 19-11-2011 06:10 PM

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"Baz" wrote in message
...
Janet wrote in
:

In article ,
Nospam@invalid says...

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:27:13 -0000, Janet wrote:


There is nothing unlawful about putting up a sign that says
"beware of
the dog".

A few years ago there was a case where a dog attacked someone in a
chap's back garden. He argued that the dog was normally docile and
wasn't a guard dog as such but the fact that he had a "beware of the
dog" sign on his gate (as a deterrent to intruders) was taken as
evidence that he really thought the dog might be dangerous and he had
to pay damages to the intruder. IIRC the court nearly ordered the
dog's destruction but was persuaded not to.


Which still does not make it illegal to put up the sign.

Janet.


Just **** off then.
I have tried to please your ****ed up ego.

Baz


Baz have you ever stood back and looked at yourself and the problems YOU
seem to get surrounded with?

No?

I suggest you do then!

Kindest possible sympathies

Mike


--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................




Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 06:13 PM

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David Rance wrote in
:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 Baz wrote:

Very droll. But amusing.


Tautology.

David


Next thing we know some smartass will give us the droll words "Google is
your friend"

How erm, erm, taut? ....or just shit?

Baz

Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 06:18 PM

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"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
Janet wrote in
:

In article ,
Nospam@invalid says...

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:27:13 -0000, Janet wrote:


There is nothing unlawful about putting up a sign that says
"beware of
the dog".

A few years ago there was a case where a dog attacked someone in a
chap's back garden. He argued that the dog was normally docile and
wasn't a guard dog as such but the fact that he had a "beware of the
dog" sign on his gate (as a deterrent to intruders) was taken as
evidence that he really thought the dog might be dangerous and he had
to pay damages to the intruder. IIRC the court nearly ordered the
dog's destruction but was persuaded not to.

Which still does not make it illegal to put up the sign.

Janet.


Just **** off then.
I have tried to please your ****ed up ego.

Baz


Baz have you ever stood back and looked at yourself and the problems YOU
seem to get surrounded with?

No?

I suggest you do then!

Kindest possible sympathies

Mike



Look here Walter,

If I wanted to hear from an arsehole, I would have farted.

Baz

'Mike'[_4_] 19-11-2011 06:21 PM

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"Baz" wrote in message
...
"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
Janet wrote in
:

In article ,
Nospam@invalid says...

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:27:13 -0000, Janet wrote:


There is nothing unlawful about putting up a sign that says
"beware of
the dog".

A few years ago there was a case where a dog attacked someone in a
chap's back garden. He argued that the dog was normally docile and
wasn't a guard dog as such but the fact that he had a "beware of the
dog" sign on his gate (as a deterrent to intruders) was taken as
evidence that he really thought the dog might be dangerous and he had
to pay damages to the intruder. IIRC the court nearly ordered the
dog's destruction but was persuaded not to.

Which still does not make it illegal to put up the sign.

Janet.


Just **** off then.
I have tried to please your ****ed up ego.

Baz


Baz have you ever stood back and looked at yourself and the problems YOU
seem to get surrounded with?

No?

I suggest you do then!

Kindest possible sympathies

Mike



Look here Walter,

If I wanted to hear from an arsehole, I would have farted.

Baz


That's what I mean :-))

Thank you for proving the point.

You will let us know the next time you put your feet in it won't you :-))

Mike


--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................



Kindest regards



Baz[_3_] 19-11-2011 06:32 PM

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"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
Janet wrote in
:

In article ,
Nospam@invalid says...

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:27:13 -0000, Janet
wrote:


There is nothing unlawful about putting up a sign that says
"beware of
the dog".

A few years ago there was a case where a dog attacked someone in
a chap's back garden. He argued that the dog was normally docile
and wasn't a guard dog as such but the fact that he had a "beware
of the dog" sign on his gate (as a deterrent to intruders) was
taken as evidence that he really thought the dog might be
dangerous and he had to pay damages to the intruder. IIRC the
court nearly ordered the dog's destruction but was persuaded not
to.

Which still does not make it illegal to put up the sign.

Janet.


Just **** off then.
I have tried to please your ****ed up ego.

Baz

Baz have you ever stood back and looked at yourself and the problems
YOU seem to get surrounded with?

No?

I suggest you do then!

Kindest possible sympathies

Mike



Look here Walter,

If I wanted to hear from an arsehole, I would have farted.

Baz


That's what I mean :-))

Thank you for proving the point.

You will let us know the next time you put your feet in it won't you
:-))

Mike



Thankyou for thanking me, glad to be of assistance for you and Walter and
your imaginary wife with your imaginary garden on your imaginary island.

Only snag now is that I will not see your reply, which will give you the
option of barking at the moon.

Byebye waltermitty
Baz

'Mike'[_4_] 19-11-2011 06:41 PM

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"Baz" wrote in message
...
"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
Janet wrote in
:

In article ,
Nospam@invalid says...

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:27:13 -0000, Janet
wrote:


There is nothing unlawful about putting up a sign that says
"beware of
the dog".

A few years ago there was a case where a dog attacked someone in
a chap's back garden. He argued that the dog was normally docile
and wasn't a guard dog as such but the fact that he had a "beware
of the dog" sign on his gate (as a deterrent to intruders) was
taken as evidence that he really thought the dog might be
dangerous and he had to pay damages to the intruder. IIRC the
court nearly ordered the dog's destruction but was persuaded not
to.

Which still does not make it illegal to put up the sign.

Janet.


Just **** off then.
I have tried to please your ****ed up ego.

Baz

Baz have you ever stood back and looked at yourself and the problems
YOU seem to get surrounded with?

No?

I suggest you do then!

Kindest possible sympathies

Mike



Look here Walter,

If I wanted to hear from an arsehole, I would have farted.

Baz


That's what I mean :-))

Thank you for proving the point.

You will let us know the next time you put your feet in it won't you
:-))

Mike



Thankyou for thanking me, glad to be of assistance for you and Walter and
your imaginary wife with your imaginary garden on your imaginary island.

Only snag now is that I will not see your reply, which will give you the
option of barking at the moon.

Byebye waltermitty
Baz


What a shame.

What a shame that you have proved once again what a Pratt you are.

Why why why do you listen to those who don't have a clue, yet dismiss the
wise ones?

Part of the urg structure I suppose. :-((

(I wonder what our friends over in gardenbanter think to such subscribers as
yourself and the predicaments you get yourself into?)

Kindest regards

Mike



--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................




'Mike'[_4_] 19-11-2011 06:45 PM

A bit of a ticking off!
 


"Baz" wrote in message
...
"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
"'Mike'" wrote in
:



"Baz" wrote in message
...
Janet wrote in
:

In article ,
Nospam@invalid says...

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:27:13 -0000, Janet
wrote:


There is nothing unlawful about putting up a sign that says
"beware of
the dog".

A few years ago there was a case where a dog attacked someone in
a chap's back garden. He argued that the dog was normally docile
and wasn't a guard dog as such but the fact that he had a "beware
of the dog" sign on his gate (as a deterrent to intruders) was
taken as evidence that he really thought the dog might be
dangerous and he had to pay damages to the intruder. IIRC the
court nearly ordered the dog's destruction but was persuaded not
to.

Which still does not make it illegal to put up the sign.

Janet.


Just **** off then.
I have tried to please your ****ed up ego.

Baz

Baz have you ever stood back and looked at yourself and the problems
YOU seem to get surrounded with?

No?

I suggest you do then!

Kindest possible sympathies

Mike



Look here Walter,

If I wanted to hear from an arsehole, I would have farted.

Baz


That's what I mean :-))

Thank you for proving the point.

You will let us know the next time you put your feet in it won't you
:-))

Mike



Thankyou for thanking me, glad to be of assistance for you and Walter and
your imaginary wife with your imaginary garden on your imaginary island.

Only snag now is that I will not see your reply, which will give you the
option of barking at the moon.

Byebye waltermitty
Baz


Doubt if I will get and answer, but why the title Walter Mitty?

Because you are a sheep and following what someone else said? Did you note
that they couldn't explain it either :-))

Kindest regards

Mike


--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................





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