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Helianthus or similar?
I have what I think must be a perennial Helianthus flowering atm in a
narrow border bounded by a lawn, but I have to keep digging out spreading roots every spring or it would muscle everything else out. It either just arrived or was there when we moved in as I don't recall ever planting one and it's not really in the best place. The flowers are cheery though and the stems stand up well and don't need staking, so every year I forgive it until the following spring. Are there any tallish (4- 5ft) Heliopsis or Helianthus varieties, or something similar, with pale lemon flowers I could plant elsewhere that wouldn't try and take over the entire bed? I want an idea for a mainly sunny position at the back of another border. -- Sue |
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Helianthus or similar?
"Sue" wrote in message o.uk... I have what I think must be a perennial Helianthus flowering atm in a narrow border bounded by a lawn, but I have to keep digging out spreading roots every spring or it would muscle everything else out. It either just arrived or was there when we moved in as I don't recall ever planting one and it's not really in the best place. The flowers are cheery though and the stems stand up well and don't need staking, so every year I forgive it until the following spring. Are there any tallish (4- 5ft) Heliopsis or Helianthus varieties, or something similar, with pale lemon flowers I could plant elsewhere that wouldn't try and take over the entire bed? I want an idea for a mainly sunny position at the back of another border. -- Sue Lemon Queen is good stays in a clump (all be it a rapidly expanding one!) -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
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"Sacha" wrote On 2012-08-09 13:26:03 +0100, "Charlie Pridham" said: Lemon Queen is good stays in a clump (all be it a rapidly expanding one!) Just the one I'd go for. It's a lovely plant. Inula flowers well for quite a while but tends to be a bit thuggy here and it's probably not pale enough. Thanks Charlie and Sacha. I don't think the one I have already can be Lemon Queen, which looks in pictures to be a more attractive and paler shade. -- Sue |
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On 09/08/2012 17:24, Sue wrote:
"Sacha" wrote On 2012-08-09 13:26:03 +0100, "Charlie Pridham" said: Lemon Queen is good stays in a clump (all be it a rapidly expanding one!) Just the one I'd go for. It's a lovely plant. Inula flowers well for quite a while but tends to be a bit thuggy here and it's probably not pale enough. Thanks Charlie and Sacha. I don't think the one I have already can be Lemon Queen, which looks in pictures to be a more attractive and paler shade. I have Helianthus 'Lemon Queen' and, whilst it isn't the worst thug I've come across, it can still smother more polite plants, makes a strong mat of almost woody stoloniferous roots and a lesser mat of old roots, which have to be cleared before anything else can be planted. I did wonder about Anthemis tinctoria 'E.C. Buxton' which is a pretty soft lemon, but it is more of a sub-shrub than a spreading perennial and is probably less than hardy in some areas. It is, anyway, one of those rather short-lived plants, so you would need to take cuttings from time to time. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
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"Spider" wrote "Sacha" wrote On 2012-08-09 13:26:03 +0100, "Charlie Pridham" said: Lemon Queen is good stays in a clump (all be it a rapidly expanding one!) Just the one I'd go for. It's a lovely plant. Inula flowers well for quite a while but tends to be a bit thuggy here and it's probably not pale enough. Thanks Charlie and Sacha. I don't think the one I have already can be Lemon Queen, which looks in pictures to be a more attractive and paler shade. I have Helianthus 'Lemon Queen' and, whilst it isn't the worst thug I've come across, it can still smother more polite plants, makes a strong mat of almost woody stoloniferous roots and a lesser mat of old roots, which have to be cleared before anything else can be planted. The roots of this one are indeed fleshy, spreading stolon type but I've not let it ever make a large enough clump to find out if it gets too woody and difficult to deal with. Usually the roots dig out easily enough each spring.. it's just that more seem to be lurking secretly, ready to spring up new shoots when I've stopped looking. Maybe it's reseeding itself every autumn and these are seedlings. I did wonder about Anthemis tinctoria 'E.C. Buxton' which is a pretty soft lemon, but it is more of a sub-shrub than a spreading perennial and is probably less than hardy in some areas. It is, anyway, one of those rather short-lived plants, so you would need to take cuttings from time to time. I do have that Anthemis in another border which isn't happy where it is and really needs moving. Agree it's a good lemony shade although probably too sprawly for the rear of border place I had in mind. Sorry for taking so long to follow up but I've got round to taking some snaps of the Helianthemum at last - it was too windy over the weekend. Does this look too deep a shade to be Lemon Queen? I included one of stems and leaves as well. It's only flowering at about 4ft or so atm, which is surprising in view of all the rain we've had. I have known it to be 5' - 6' some years. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBnvybf If anyone's got any other ideas for a well-behaved, tallish, lemon or creamy-yellow flowering plant to stand up at the back of a border I'm still dithering over what to put in there. -- Sue |
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On 13/08/2012 15:03, Sue wrote:
"Spider" wrote "Sacha" wrote On 2012-08-09 13:26:03 +0100, "Charlie Pridham" said: Lemon Queen is good stays in a clump (all be it a rapidly expanding one!) Just the one I'd go for. It's a lovely plant. Inula flowers well for quite a while but tends to be a bit thuggy here and it's probably not pale enough. Thanks Charlie and Sacha. I don't think the one I have already can be Lemon Queen, which looks in pictures to be a more attractive and paler shade. I have Helianthus 'Lemon Queen' and, whilst it isn't the worst thug I've come across, it can still smother more polite plants, makes a strong mat of almost woody stoloniferous roots and a lesser mat of old roots, which have to be cleared before anything else can be planted. The roots of this one are indeed fleshy, spreading stolon type but I've not let it ever make a large enough clump to find out if it gets too woody and difficult to deal with. Usually the roots dig out easily enough each spring.. it's just that more seem to be lurking secretly, ready to spring up new shoots when I've stopped looking. Maybe it's reseeding itself every autumn and these are seedlings. I did wonder about Anthemis tinctoria 'E.C. Buxton' which is a pretty soft lemon, but it is more of a sub-shrub than a spreading perennial and is probably less than hardy in some areas. It is, anyway, one of those rather short-lived plants, so you would need to take cuttings from time to time. I do have that Anthemis in another border which isn't happy where it is and really needs moving. Agree it's a good lemony shade although probably too sprawly for the rear of border place I had in mind. Sorry for taking so long to follow up but I've got round to taking some snaps of the Helianthemum at last - it was too windy over the weekend. Does this look too deep a shade to be Lemon Queen? I included one of stems and leaves as well. It's only flowering at about 4ft or so atm, which is surprising in view of all the rain we've had. I have known it to be 5' - 6' some years. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBnvybf If anyone's got any other ideas for a well-behaved, tallish, lemon or creamy-yellow flowering plant to stand up at the back of a border I'm still dithering over what to put in there. That 'fleshy' description makes me wonder if you've actually got Jerusulem Artichoke flowers. Whatever they are, you're in need of changing them. I've even thought of some of the lovely soft yellow Echinaceas, but they all seem to be too short. Pity. I'll keep thinking about it. No hardship, I love yellowy flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-08-09 13:22:57 +0100, "Sue" said: [...] Are there any tallish (4- 5ft) Heliopsis or Helianthus varieties, or something similar, with pale lemon flowers I could plant elsewhere that wouldn't try and take over the entire bed? I want an idea for a mainly sunny position at the back of another border. I've just had a thought. What about some of the taller Rudbeckias like 'Herbstonne' or 'Goldquelle'. Oh yes, I hadn't thought about Rudbeckias. The shorter 'Goldstrum' is doing alright to the front but there are all sorts of heights and shades, aren't there. I'll google around and see which are thought to have the most drought resistance. Thanks. Just realised I'd managed in a senior moment to label my interloper Helianthus as 'Helianthemum' on the pix the other night. Um... Now hopefully corrected! http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBnvybf Do you think it's Lemon Queen or some other variety, Sacha? It does seem too bright a yellow to me. Gaudy and coarse, my OH said - hah! He's the one who refuses to appreciate how nice daisies and pink clover are in the lawn, so what does he know. -- Sue |
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Helianthus or similar?
"Sacha" wrote On 2012-08-15 14:37:04 +0100, "Sue" said: Just realised I'd managed in a senior moment to label my interloper Helianthus as 'Helianthemum' on the pix the other night. Um... Now hopefully corrected! http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBnvybf Do you think it's Lemon Queen or some other variety, Sacha? It does seem too bright a yellow to me. Gaudy and coarse, my OH said - hah! He's the one who refuses to appreciate how nice daisies and pink clover are in the lawn, so what does he know. If we still have any, I'll check our Lemon Queen tomorrow but I think it's paler than yours. Of course, soil types etc. can make a difference, and so can colour registers in photos. I'll have a look and see if I can find anything that helps. Yes, true. Lots of variation in the online pics I looked at. Thanks. -- Sue |
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