In article , Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-07 11:38:19 +0100, Martin said:

Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got into
this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single thing ab
out it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of impossible
financial situations, relatively easily.

Possibly because it's illegal, it's an ugly plant and because we don't
all do drugs? I wouldn't be involved with anything like that for a
million pounds. What is now known about the effects of long-term
smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it.
Imo.

Used long term, in large quantities, it's almost as bad as tobacco.

Tobacco doesn't make people psychotic.

The evidence that cannabis does is very dubious. Many millions
(perhaps billions) of pounds have been put into research aiming
to prove that cannabis is harmful, but it took five decades before
any could be found that would stand up to even cursory analysis.
That wasn't money spent on investigating whether it is harmful
and, if so, in which ways and how much, but in scratching around
trying to find SOME evidence to hang onto cannabis.

One point often missed by non-statisticians is that, if you do
a thousand separate investigations into whether X is harmful,
you will get (on average) one that says that it is at the 0.1%
level of significance (highly significant), even if it is not
harmful at all. And, yes, there have been that many.

I haven't looked at the actual research papers, but I am pretty
sure that the most that has been shown is a small association
between long-term, heavy cannabis use and some psychological
problems. Plus an association between heavy use in adolescence
and some other ones.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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In article , Sacha
wrote:
On 2012-09-07 11:38:19 +0100, Martin said:

Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got
into
this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single
thing ab
out it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of
impossible
financial situations, relatively easily.

Possibly because it's illegal, it's an ugly plant and because we don't
all do drugs? I wouldn't be involved with anything like that for a
million pounds. What is now known about the effects of long-term
smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it.
Imo.

Used long term, in large quantities, it's almost as bad as tobacco.

Tobacco doesn't make people psychotic.

The evidence that cannabis does is very dubious. Many millions
(perhaps billions) of pounds have been put into research aiming
to prove that cannabis is harmful, but it took five decades before
any could be found that would stand up to even cursory analysis.
That wasn't money spent on investigating whether it is harmful
and, if so, in which ways and how much, but in scratching around
trying to find SOME evidence to hang onto cannabis.

One point often missed by non-statisticians is that, if you do
a thousand separate investigations into whether X is harmful,
you will get (on average) one that says that it is at the 0.1%
level of significance (highly significant), even if it is not
harmful at all. And, yes, there have been that many.

I haven't looked at the actual research papers, but I am pretty
sure that the most that has been shown is a small association
between long-term, heavy cannabis use and some psychological
problems. Plus an association between heavy use in adolescence
and some other ones.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


I heard a report somewhere that smoking will be banned in the next 20 years.
The ban can't come soon enough for me.

Mike


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I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.

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On Friday, September 7, 2012 3:27:30 PM UTC+1, 'Mike' wrote:
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In article , Sacha

wrote:

On 2012-09-07 11:38:19 +0100, Martin said:



Post on here about growing cannabis plants.........if more people got

into

this, it would be impossible for the powers that be to do a single

thing ab

out it, and for many people it would be a good way to get out of

impossible

financial situations, relatively easily.



Possibly because it's illegal, it's an ugly plant and because we don't

all do drugs? I wouldn't be involved with anything like that for a

million pounds. What is now known about the effects of long-term

smoking of cannabis is far too worrying to be lightheared about it.

Imo.



Used long term, in large quantities, it's almost as bad as tobacco.



Tobacco doesn't make people psychotic.



The evidence that cannabis does is very dubious. Many millions

(perhaps billions) of pounds have been put into research aiming

to prove that cannabis is harmful, but it took five decades before

any could be found that would stand up to even cursory analysis.

That wasn't money spent on investigating whether it is harmful

and, if so, in which ways and how much, but in scratching around

trying to find SOME evidence to hang onto cannabis.



One point often missed by non-statisticians is that, if you do

a thousand separate investigations into whether X is harmful,

you will get (on average) one that says that it is at the 0.1%

level of significance (highly significant), even if it is not

harmful at all. And, yes, there have been that many.



I haven't looked at the actual research papers, but I am pretty

sure that the most that has been shown is a small association

between long-term, heavy cannabis use and some psychological

problems. Plus an association between heavy use in adolescence

and some other ones.





Regards,

Nick Maclaren.





I heard a report somewhere that smoking will be banned in the next 20 years.

The ban can't come soon enough for me.



Mike





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I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.



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For once I would have to agree Mike............however the crooks running the country get an awful lot of tax revenue from tobacco so not likely to happen any time soon.

In article ,
Sacha wrote:

This will do for me. You need to scroll down a little
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealt.../cannabis.aspx

To describe it as bigoted is probably unfair, but a quick glance
indicates that it is extremely biassed, and frankly counts as
propaganda rather than fact. I am sorry, but the reason that the
reigning fanatics can get away with so much is that so few people
are capable of analysing data.



Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Friday, September 7, 2012 9:14:54 PM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-09-07 19:31:10 +0100, said:



In article ,

Sacha wrote:



This will do for me. You need to scroll down a little

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealt.../cannabis.aspx



To



describe it as bigoted is probably unfair, but a quick glance

indicates that it is extremely biassed, and frankly counts as

propaganda rather than fact. I am sorry, but the reason that the

reigning fanatics can get away with so much is that so few people

are capable of analysing data.







Regards,

Nick Maclaren.



It's written by professionals who deal with the fall out. And some of

the study involved thousands of people. The comment on those studies

shows a lack of bias, imo. I rather think that the Royal College of

Psychiatrists has people working for it who can analyse data.

Importantly, too, few if any, hard drug user has not started without

smoking cannabis. I'll pass, thanks. We know a young person in their

30s who was 'allowed' to smoke cannabis in their teens and has now been

diagnosed schizophrenic. There is no other person in their family with

that illness. For me, the evidence is strong enough and appears to be

building.

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Sacha

www.hillhousenursery.com

South Devon

http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


Guess it was probably written by the same type of "professional" who warned us all about Iraqi WMD's?

Amusing thing about those who talk out of their arses about drugs, is that most do drugs like alcohol and tobacco themselves, which are to all intents and purposes far more damaging than cannabis, but bring the crooks running the country billions in tax revenues.