I have a problem with wireless devices in the house due to extremely thick
stone walls, knowing this I laid a cable through to the kitchen when doing
work on that recently to give us broadband access in there and that works
fine if we use an Ethernet cable to connect.

Question; is there anything I can plug into that Ethernet switch box which
would give me a wireless signal at that end?

I can't use the gizmos that plug in at either end and use the house wiring
as the kitchen has a differrent circuit and indeed fuse box to the rest of
the house.

I know there would be dedicated groups out there but I have learnt to trust
some of the posters here (and I may not understand the answer on a more
techy site!)

--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

In article ,
Charlie Pridham wrote:
I have a problem with wireless devices in the house due to extremely thick
stone walls, knowing this I laid a cable through to the kitchen when doing
work on that recently to give us broadband access in there and that works
fine if we use an Ethernet cable to connect.

Question; is there anything I can plug into that Ethernet switch box which
would give me a wireless signal at that end?

I can't use the gizmos that plug in at either end and use the house wiring
as the kitchen has a differrent circuit and indeed fuse box to the rest of
the house.

I know there would be dedicated groups out there but I have learnt to trust
some of the posters here (and I may not understand the answer on a more
techy site!)

Yeah. You need people who are bilingual in Geekish and English.

Yes, easily, but it's not just a plug-in, and will need power
(a little) and somewhere to be hung or stood. You need a wireless
router (also called modem, access point and more). It wouldn't
take me long to do, though I am not a networking person, but I
would advise getting someone to work out what to do and set it up.

It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation (e.g. university, some of the largest schools)
and pay them for a little outside work.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 12/13/2012 10:36 AM, wrote:
In article ,
Charlie Pridham wrote:
I have a problem with wireless devices in the house due to extremely thick
stone walls, knowing this I laid a cable through to the kitchen when doing
work on that recently to give us broadband access in there and that works
fine if we use an Ethernet cable to connect.

Question; is there anything I can plug into that Ethernet switch box which
would give me a wireless signal at that end?

I can't use the gizmos that plug in at either end and use the house wiring
as the kitchen has a differrent circuit and indeed fuse box to the rest of
the house.

I know there would be dedicated groups out there but I have learnt to trust
some of the posters here (and I may not understand the answer on a more
techy site!)

Yeah. You need people who are bilingual in Geekish and English.

Yes, easily, but it's not just a plug-in, and will need power
(a little) and somewhere to be hung or stood. You need a wireless
router (also called modem, access point and more). It wouldn't
take me long to do, though I am not a networking person, but I
would advise getting someone to work out what to do and set it up.


Exactly right. I have solved the exact same problem using this device

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B000...ms_ohs_product

I am also not a networking person but the directions were adequate for
me (YMMV). We now have wireless access throughout the house.

It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation (e.g. university, some of the largest schools)
and pay them for a little outside work.


It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes for someone who knows what
they're about.

HTH

In article ,
Emery Davis wrote:

It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation (e.g. university, some of the largest schools)
and pay them for a little outside work.

It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes for someone who knows what
they're about.

That will depend on how the house connection has been set up by
the broadband provider and/or primary modem, which is why I was
being a bit cautious. In particular, if you want to use TWO
devices using the same wireless point, things are likely to get
'interesting'. While I could almost certainly do that eventually,
it might cause me quite a lot of trouble.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 12/13/2012 12:21 PM, wrote:
In article ,
Emery Davis wrote:

It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation (e.g. university, some of the largest schools)
and pay them for a little outside work.

It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes for someone who knows what
they're about.

That will depend on how the house connection has been set up by
the broadband provider and/or primary modem, which is why I was
being a bit cautious. In particular, if you want to use TWO
devices using the same wireless point, things are likely to get
'interesting'. While I could almost certainly do that eventually,
it might cause me quite a lot of trouble.

Quite so, and indeed I took the hacker's way out by setting up a
separate network with a single gateway. So the wireless stuff has to
change networks depending on where in the house they are, but that
happens automagically once set up.

Still we agree that it would be useful to have some one who knew what
they're doing -- more than I! -- set it up. I was actually agreeing
that this might be beyond a local shop who just sells PC kit.

On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:21:26 -0000, wrote:

In article ,
Emery Davis wrote:

It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation (e.g. university, some of the largest schools)
and pay them for a little outside work.

It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes for someone who knows what
they're about.

That will depend on how the house connection has been set up by
the broadband provider and/or primary modem, which is why I was
being a bit cautious. In particular, if you want to use TWO
devices using the same wireless point, things are likely to get
'interesting'. While I could almost certainly do that eventually,
it might cause me quite a lot of trouble.


Depends what you mean by 'two devices'

If you mean two PCs, phones etc using the same wireless point (router
channel), then no problem at all. They will share the available bandwidth.
In this house we have two PC's, two phones and an pad all sharing a WAP.

In article op.wo87wytygkcl5l@home1, RG wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:21:26 -0000, wrote:
In article ,
Emery Davis wrote:

It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation (e.g. university, some of the largest schools)
and pay them for a little outside work.

It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes for someone who knows what
they're about.

That will depend on how the house connection has been set up by
the broadband provider and/or primary modem, which is why I was
being a bit cautious. In particular, if you want to use TWO
devices using the same wireless point, things are likely to get
'interesting'. While I could almost certainly do that eventually,
it might cause me quite a lot of trouble.

Depends what you mean by 'two devices'

If you mean two PCs, phones etc using the same wireless point (router
channel), then no problem at all. They will share the available bandwidth.
In this house we have two PC's, two phones and an pad all sharing a WAP.

That's easy, and not relevant. The point is that the kitchen wireless
router is attached to a single port on the office router, which then
talks to the outside world. If you have two devices on the kitchen
router, you will have two Internet addresses that then filter through
a single one. Depending on the details of the setup, this may or may
not be possible. Indeed, there might be problems even if the kitchen
router assigns Internet addresses to the wireless devices used in the
kitchen.

I last did serious network administration before VLANs became a
mainstream technology, but they are a (non-trivial) solution. It
should be easy with the RIGHT combination of devices and setup without
VLANs, but could be impossible with some combinations. It will depend
a great deal on the office router's attitude to packet filtering and
default routing.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Emery Davis" wrote in message
...
On 12/13/2012 10:36 AM, wrote:
In article ,
Charlie Pridham wrote:
I have a problem with wireless devices in the house due to extremely
thick
stone walls, knowing this I laid a cable through to the kitchen when
doing
work on that recently to give us broadband access in there and that
works
fine if we use an Ethernet cable to connect.

Question; is there anything I can plug into that Ethernet switch box
which
would give me a wireless signal at that end?


Exactly right. I have solved the exact same problem using this device

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B000...ms_ohs_product

I am also not a networking person but the directions were adequate for
me (YMMV). We now have wireless access throughout the house.

It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation (e.g. university, some of the largest schools)
and pay them for a little outside work.


It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes for someone who knows what
they're about.

HTH

I have had a look at the picture but can't see the back of that router, can
I use my existing Ethernet line to supple the signal? my existing main
router has a different plug on the end of the "line in" connection. and its
only the outputs which are Ethernet connections

What I was sort of hoping was I could replace the Ethernet switch with its 5
ports with a wireless router which also has some ports.

Mike, I take your point that the two fuse boxes do come off the same mains
fuse but I had already run the Ethernet cable before I came across the plug
in solution and without testing not sure how well it would cope. I know
Ethernet works, but its not as slick a solution as wireless

--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

On 12/13/2012 12:29 PM, Charlie Pridham wrote:
I have had a look at the picture but can't see the back of that router,
can I use my existing Ethernet line to supple the signal? my existing
main router has a different plug on the end of the "line in" connection.
and its only the outputs which are Ethernet connections


Yes, I plug a regular RJ45 (ethernet plug) into it. So it's just a jack
cable from your wall outlet.

What I was sort of hoping was I could replace the Ethernet switch with
its 5 ports with a wireless router which also has some ports.

I'm pretty sure there are another 4 ports (i.e. built in switch) but I'm
not local to look at it at the mo.

I don't know if this is the best one for you, I think there are a lot of
them along these lines.

In article , writes
It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation


Surely not Nick

Charlie just has to get a Devolo lan set. i got one last week, albeit
with wires on but you can pay more for the wireless ones.
You plug one end into the router, and the plug into the wall. Then you
take the other plug and wire and plug that into a socket and the back of
your TV or laptop etc. It's using the electric circuits to channel the
signal.
The wireless version just plugs in behind the router and into the wall
and the other one goes wherever you like in the house.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , writes
It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation


Surely not Nick

Charlie just has to get a Devolo lan set. i got one last week, albeit with
wires on but you can pay more for the wireless ones.
You plug one end into the router, and the plug into the wall. Then you
take the other plug and wire and plug that into a socket and the back of
your TV or laptop etc. It's using the electric circuits to channel the
signal.
The wireless version just plugs in behind the router and into the wall and
the other one goes wherever you like in the house.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Would that this house was that simple! I am aware of these, I think Mike
suggested them in the first place but I am not convinced it would work here
as the Kitchen and house are not on a common system.

The discussion was starting to get a bit technical but it sounds as if some
readers have done what I am wanting to do


--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

"Charlie Pridham" wrote


"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
In article , writes
It's likely to be a bit beyond most local suppliers, so the easiest
way would be to try and contact the networking people at some
local organisation


Surely not Nick

Charlie just has to get a Devolo lan set. i got one last week, albeit
with wires on but you can pay more for the wireless ones.
You plug one end into the router, and the plug into the wall. Then you
take the other plug and wire and plug that into a socket and the back of
your TV or laptop etc. It's using the electric circuits to channel the
signal.
The wireless version just plugs in behind the router and into the wall
and the other one goes wherever you like in the house.

Would that this house was that simple! I am aware of these, I think Mike
suggested them in the first place but I am not convinced it would work here
as the Kitchen and house are not on a common system.

The discussion was starting to get a bit technical but it sounds as if some
readers have done what I am wanting to do


Just spoken to a computer expert I know, who runs the servers for a large
international company, because I remember that he had the same problem after
his house was renovated and doubled in size. Turns out the builders used
some metal clad insulation in the walls which stopped the signals. Anyway he
used these plug in adapters and he tells me they even work in one part of
his house that is on a separate circuit. These would give you coverage
anywhere in your house not just the kitchen but they aren't cheap.
http://www.devolo.co.uk/consumer/82_...on_1.html?l=en

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK

On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:39:57 -0000, Bob Hobden wrote:

These would give you coverage anywhere in your house not just the
kitchen but they aren't cheap.

http://www.devolo.co.uk/consumer/82_...s_starter-kit_
product-presentation_1.html?l=en

Not WiFi though which is what Charlie asks about.

This is also an interesting statement:

"dLAN® 500 is faster than a network cable or Wireless LAN-for
future-proof networking throughout the home! 1"

"1 based on replacing all 100BASE-T Ethernet cabling by dLAN® 500"

So what about faster than "Wireless LAN", is that absolutely guranteed? I
doubt it as there are too many variables. Most if not all recent
computers with ethernet ports are Gigabit capable, all you need is a
Gigabit switch.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 Charlie Pridham wrote:

The discussion was starting to get a bit technical but it sounds as if
some readers have done what I am wanting to do

Sorry about coming in late to this discussion but I've only just seen
it.

Before I got a wireless router in Reading I had a non-wireless router
into which I plugged a USRobotics wireless access point. In fact that is
the system I still use in France. Over there I use a Siemens router
(used to be called Efficient Networks until Siemens took them over).
There is just one thing plugged into it and that is the USRobotics 5451
wireless access point. That gives us wifi to any computers we bring into
that house. The Siemens router, of course, has DHCP and issues the
access point with an IP number.

It was simplicity itself to set up. Charlie, I think (if I haven't
misunderstood the situation) that your solution should be as easy as
that to set up. Just plug the access point into the end of your
ethernet cable. I think that USR still supply wireless access points - a
quick google brought up a USR 5453.

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
http://rance.org.uk

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 David Rance wrote:

It was simplicity itself to set up. Charlie, I think (if I haven't
misunderstood the situation) that your solution should be as easy as
that to set up. Just plug the access point into the end of your
ethernet cable. I think that USR still supply wireless access points -
a quick google brought up a USR 5453.

No, it doesn't seem that USRobotics do simple access points any more but
if you go to, say, Amazon and search for "wireless access points" you'll
see some by TP-Link from between £20 and £30+.

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
http://rance.org.uk