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Granity 14-05-2013 04:02 PM

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Nice set of pictures here

10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph

No Name 14-05-2013 09:47 PM

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Granity wrote:

Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)


Nick just asked "how do you tell a yellow stainer from a field mushroom?"

[email protected] 14-05-2013 10:47 PM

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In article , wrote:
Granity wrote:

Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)


Nick just asked "how do you tell a yellow stainer from a field mushroom?"


Actually, telling one from a horse mushroom is harder, because the
latter stain yellow, too. But they do it slowly, and to a slightly
yellow colour, not quickly to a bright yellow.

But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
torygraph.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

No Name 14-05-2013 11:16 PM

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wrote:
But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
torygraph.


Nice photos, though

Dave Liquorice[_2_] 14-05-2013 11:16 PM

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On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:47:32 +0100 (BST), wrote:

But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
torygraph.


And a couple are rare in the UK... The captions even state that, with a
hefty Southern England bias as well. The last is only common in North
America...

As you say nice pics, shame about the content.

--
Cheers
Dave.




Martin Brown 15-05-2013 08:17 AM

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On 14/05/2013 22:47, wrote:
In article , wrote:
Granity wrote:

Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(
http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)

Nick just asked "how do you tell a yellow stainer from a field mushroom?"


Actually, telling one from a horse mushroom is harder, because the
latter stain yellow, too. But they do it slowly, and to a slightly
yellow colour, not quickly to a bright yellow.

But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,


And ISTR their advice on the false morel is somewhat misleading. It is
believed in the west that it is toxic and potentially lethal although it
is eaten cooked in Finland and Spain (sometimes with fatal consequences).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromitra_esculenta

Cooked correctly it is supposed to be edible but I am not that keen on
eatin monomethylhydrazine YMMV. The true morel is absolutely delicious.

I think if they were going to do something like this they should have
shown the top deadly poison ones, the ones with most folk lore attached
and the edible ones that are too easily confused with toxic species. At
least that way they would be performing a useful service. As it is the
list looks more like the ones they could find with royalty free images!

and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
torygraph.


Their science writing has been rubbish for a long while. They are
stuffed to the gills with anti-science pundits although not to quite the
same extent as some of the other rabid right wing press.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[email protected] 15-05-2013 09:18 AM

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In article ,
Martin wrote:

Last week there was a report that a woman made an omelette using
death cap taken from her garden. She died four days later, her husband
was very ill.


Yes.

Rule 1: Never, ever, under ANY circumstances eat anything that
looks like a cultivated mushroom unless it is very definite pink
or brown gills. Indeed, don't even mix them in the same basket
as field mushrooms.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Pam Moore[_2_] 15-05-2013 09:59 AM

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On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
wrote:


Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)


Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.

Pam in Bristol

echinosum 16-05-2013 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pam Moore[_2_] (Post 983325)
'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)[/i][/color]

Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.

Pam in Bristol

Actually the first photo is quite misleading. It might simply be an untypical specimen, but I think it is more likely it is just wrong. It is an important fact to realise that Amanita phalloides, the Death Cap, is rather variable in appearance, and, whilst it usually has a smooth cap, it does sometimes retain some veil fragments on the cap. But the particular pattern of veil fragments we see here is entirely typical of Amanita citrina, the False Death Cap, as a quick google images search confirms. So I think it much more likely they have accidentally given us a photo of the False Death Cap by mistake. A citrina is unlikely to poison you unless you eat it in large quantities, but the best reason not to eat it is that they are hard to tell apart, as this mistake reminds us.

echinosum 16-05-2013 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Name (Post 983304)
Nick just asked "how do you tell a yellow stainer from a field mushroom?"

If you cut a vertical slice through the stem, then the yellow stainer has a very bright yellow patch right at the bottom - so important to pick the whole thing, not slice it off. You can see it he Agaricus xanthodermus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They also smell horrible, which is likely enough to deter you from from eating them.

Tom Gardner[_2_] 23-05-2013 09:56 AM

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Pam Moore wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
wrote:


Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)


Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.


A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


David Hill 23-05-2013 10:13 AM

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On 23/05/2013 09:56, Tom Gardner wrote:
Pam Moore wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
wrote:


Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)


Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.


A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


This thread reminds me of ..........................

I was talking to a guy in the line at Tesco. The conversation got around
to wives, and he said he had been widowed three times.
I said "Three wives, all dead and buried?"
He said "Yes."
"What happened to the first one?"
"Poison Mushrooms."
"What happened to the second one?"
"Poison Mushrooms."
"And the third?"
"Fractured skull."
"How did that happen?"
"She wouldn't eat the poison mushrooms."

[email protected] 23-05-2013 10:34 AM

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In article ,
Tom Gardner wrote:

A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)

That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Tom Gardner[_2_] 23-05-2013 11:27 AM

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wrote:
In article ,
Tom Gardner wrote:

A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)

That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!


Personal experiences...

False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
under bracken.

Shaggy Parasol ((Macro)Lepiota racodes) is often marked as edible.
I've eaten it and found it delicious. On a different occasion,
however, it caused my entire alimentary canal to rebel - maybe
it is significant that it was growing under laurel.

Conclusion: wild food is indeed wild.

[email protected] 23-05-2013 12:05 PM

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In article ,
Martin wrote:

Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)

That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!


He says possibly "Poisonous – possibly deadly"


Not my point. He includes it in the short list of deadly fungi,
but does not include many others that have been known to cause
many more deaths. It has had a bad press for at least a century,
but there is no evidence for it. But, BECAUSE all books refer to
it as deadly, all authors play safe and continue to classify it
as deadly.

Wiki says poisonous but doesn't say deadly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas


Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
usually reliable, but that's not enough.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Adam Funk[_3_] 23-05-2013 01:12 PM

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On 2013-05-23, wrote:

In article ,
Tom Gardner wrote:

A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)

That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!


Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.

Martin Brown 23-05-2013 01:20 PM

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On 23/05/2013 12:05, wrote:
In article ,
Martin wrote:

Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)

That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!


He says possibly "Poisonous – possibly deadly"


Not my point. He includes it in the short list of deadly fungi,
but does not include many others that have been known to cause
many more deaths. It has had a bad press for at least a century,
but there is no evidence for it. But, BECAUSE all books refer to
it as deadly, all authors play safe and continue to classify it
as deadly.

Wiki says poisonous but doesn't say deadly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas

Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
usually reliable, but that's not enough.


Even the trustworthy reference books have some misleading pictures in
them although the verbal descriptions are usually OK. The basic rule is
if you are uncertain and do not have a tame expert mycologist to hand
then don't risk eating it. We do have an expert in our village.

Most French villages you can take your pick along to the pharmacy where
someone who knows will tell you which are safe to eat. Always struck me
as bit iffy since they don't actually eat them but it seemed to work.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[email protected] 23-05-2013 01:23 PM

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In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.


Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.

The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Emery Davis[_3_] 23-05-2013 02:22 PM

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On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:20:21 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

Most French villages you can take your pick along to the pharmacy where
someone who knows will tell you which are safe to eat. Always struck me
as bit iffy since they don't actually eat them but it seemed to work.


Not true any more IME.



--
Gardening in Lower Normandy

Adam Funk[_3_] 24-05-2013 09:21 PM

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On 2013-05-23, wrote:

In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.


Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.


Well, my 3-way division above was NOT correct then, since are tasty &
(at least somewhat) dangerous ones.


The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.


Right.

Granity 25-05-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Funk[_3_] (Post 983913)
On 2013-05-23, wrote:

In article
,
Adam Funk
wrote:

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.


Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.


Well, my 3-way division above was NOT correct then, since are tasty &
(at least somewhat) dangerous ones.


The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.


Right.

As an expert said on the tele the other night: "All mushrooms are edible, it's just that some will prevent you from ever eating them twice." This was after a discussion on poisonous Fungi, so it was in context.

RustyHinge 03-06-2013 11:12 PM

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On 23/05/13 09:56, Tom Gardner wrote:
Pam Moore wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
wrote:


Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)


Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.


A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


Not got the bandwidth here (GPRS dongle) to go looking at websites - I
take it that's Roger Phillips?

Back in the '70s the curator of the Dept. of Mycology in the British
Museum of Natural History advised be to get Roger Phillips' 'Mushrooma
and Other Fungi of Great Britain and Europe'

I still use it a lot.

--
Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 03-06-2013 11:19 PM

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On 23/05/13 10:34, wrote:
In article ,


Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)

That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!


B. satanas is edible if thoroughly cooked, as are a lot of allegedly
poisonous boleti.

You rarely see warnings that you should cook Lepista saeva, L nuda, L.
sordida before eating them, nor Macrolepiota rhacodes.

Many books accuse Lactarius torminosus and L. pubescens of being
poisonous, but if - *IF* - you know how to prepare them, they are very
worthwhile.


--
Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 03-06-2013 11:28 PM

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On 23/05/13 11:27, Tom Gardner wrote:

Personal experiences...

False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
under bracken.


It *can* be hallucigenic to some people: others eat them with no (ill)
effect.

Shaggy Parasol ((Macro)Lepiota racodes) is often marked as edible.
I've eaten it and found it delicious. On a different occasion,
however, it caused my entire alimentary canal to rebel - maybe
it is significant that it was growing under laurel.


Shouldn't think the laurel had anything to do with it - I have eaten
many M. rhacodes from beneath laurel.

M. procera looks very similar, but M. rhacodes (allegedly) is poisonous
to a small proportion of humanity.

I can eat the yellow-staining mushrooms with no ill effect - but I leave
them alone, as I have some evidence that their effect can be cumulative.

Talking of which, if you are using an old guide (or one written by
Lange), Paxillus involutus (brown roll-rim) is cumulatively deadly.

Conclusion: wild food is indeed wild.


Especially when you've just shot it.

--
Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 03-06-2013 11:35 PM

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On 23/05/13 12:05, wrote:

Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
usually reliable, but that's not enough.


Toot rue.

B. satanas tastes vile raw, smells vile when you cook it, and hasn't
much to recommend it when it's done.

www.girolle.co.uk/fungi/

--
Rusty Hinge

Tom Gardner[_2_] 03-06-2013 11:41 PM

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RustyHinge wrote:
On 23/05/13 11:27, Tom Gardner wrote:

Personal experiences...

False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
under bracken.


It *can* be hallucigenic to some people: others eat them with no (ill) effect.


Don't remember seeing that, and can't be bothered to excavate my books!


Shaggy Parasol ((Macro)Lepiota racodes) is often marked as edible.
I've eaten it and found it delicious. On a different occasion,
however, it caused my entire alimentary canal to rebel - maybe
it is significant that it was growing under laurel.


Shouldn't think the laurel had anything to do with it - I have eaten many M. rhacodes from beneath laurel.


It was also near a Leylandii, but who knows what the problem's source was!


M. procera looks very similar, but M. rhacodes (allegedly) is poisonous to a small proportion of humanity.


I definitely identified it as M. rhacodes not M. procera,
but I can't remember why.


I can eat the yellow-staining mushrooms with no ill effect - but I leave them alone, as I have some evidence that their effect can be cumulative.

Talking of which, if you are using an old guide (or one written by Lange), Paxillus involutus (brown roll-rim) is cumulatively deadly.

Conclusion: wild food is indeed wild.


Especially when you've just shot it.


I thought that made them livid, or is that only Gorilla gorilla?


Tom Gardner[_2_] 03-06-2013 11:49 PM

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RustyHinge wrote:
On 23/05/13 09:56, Tom Gardner wrote:
Pam Moore wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
wrote:


Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)

Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.


A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


Not got the bandwidth here (GPRS dongle) to go looking at websites - I take it that's Roger Phillips?


Yup. It is a very sensible intro to his books: the pictures are
large enough to be useful but small enough that they make you
want to get the book! It also has info not in the books.


Back in the '70s the curator of the Dept. of Mycology in the British Museum of Natural History advised be to get Roger Phillips' 'Mushrooma and Other Fungi of Great Britain and Europe'

I still use it a lot.


Mine is the 1981 Pan edition, text copyright Phillips 1981,
no mention of other printings. I strongly suspect it is a
first edition of the Pan paperback, since ISTR remember getting
it as soon as it appeared :)

I'll normally take Philips plus one or two others when I go foraging.

RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:19 AM

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On 23/05/13 13:12, Adam Funk wrote:

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.


Yes - myriad.

Amanita rubescens is to die for - but be careful: many in the genus are
to die *of*.

The girolle, Cantharellus cibarius - erroneously called chanterelle in
most of the English-speaking world.

Cantharellus tubiformis/C. infundibuloformis - chanterelle and grey
chanterelle.

Horn of plenty, Craterellus mumblemumble... oh yes C. cornucopioides

Hydnum rapandum- the hedgehog.

Most of the oyster mushrooms.

Lepista saeva, blewits, blue-legs, blue stalks; L. nuda, wood blewits;
L.sordida.

St George's mushroom, Tricholoma gambosum.

Lactarius velomus, L. deliciosus.

Macrolepiota procera, parasolmushroom, but be cautious with M. rhacodes,
shaggy parasol.

'Cauliflower fungus', Sperassis crispa.

Verpa conica.

Morchella, all species.

Fistulina hepatica, beefsteak fungus.

Clitopilus prunulus, the miller, but it can be confused with Clitocybe
dealbata, which could spell the end of your enjoyment of any mushrooms,
so be careful with this one.

Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig

Merasmius oreades, fairy ring champignon - useful, as it dries, and
rehydrates like new.

Armillaria mellea, honey fungus, pickles well, otherwise falls into the
third group.

Lycoperdon species and Calvatia species. Giant puffballs may be sliced
to the thickness of a goodly slice of bread and fried. (Try butter!) To
make it into a real treat, fry the slices in butter, whip them out of
the pan when they are good and brown, then dip them in batter and sling
them back into the pan...

http://www.girolle.co.uk/recipes/

--
Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:27 AM

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On 23/05/13 13:23, wrote:
In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.


Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.


B.felleus is bitter as hell and one bite would be enough.

The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.


And some which beat your shop-bought mushroom into a cocked frying-pan.


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Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:29 AM

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On 25/05/13 11:51, Granity wrote:
'Adam Funk[_3_ Wrote:
;983913']On 2013-05-23, wrote:
-
In article
,
Adam Funk
wrote:-

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.-

Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.-

Well, my 3-way division above was NOT correct then, since are tasty &
(at least somewhat) dangerous ones.

-
The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.-

Right.


As an expert said on the tele the other night: "All mushrooms are
edible, it's just that some will prevent you from ever eating them
twice." This was after a discussion on poisonous Fungi, so it was in
context.


My website says something like: You can eat all mushrooms, but some of
them you can only eat once.

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Rusty Hinge

Tom Gardner[_2_] 04-06-2013 12:33 AM

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RustyHinge wrote:
On 23/05/13 13:23, wrote:
In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.


Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.


B.felleus is bitter as hell and one bite would be enough.

The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.


And some which beat your shop-bought mushroom into a cocked frying-pan.


Some of which are also poisonous, e.g. blewetts bought
in Waitrose complete with the necessary "cook before
eating" label!

Just like many other vegetables. Nasty things vegetables :)


Tom Gardner[_2_] 04-06-2013 12:45 AM

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RustyHinge wrote:
On 23/05/13 13:12, Adam Funk wrote:

Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.


Many aren't worth bothering about, except as a curiosity.


St George's mushroom, Tricholoma gambosum.


Yum.

Lactarius deliciosus.


Yum.


Macrolepiota procera, parasolmushroom, but be cautious with M. rhacodes, shaggy parasol.


Procera yum; rhacodes splat (qv).


'Cauliflower fungus', Sperassis crispa.


Haven't found one in decades :(


Fistulina hepatica, beefsteak fungus.


Ugh, nasty, bitter.


Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig


Always turned to a watery mush for me :(


Merasmius oreades, fairy ring champignon - useful, as it dries, and rehydrates like new.


Careful; too many similar "LBJs", some nasty e.g. poison pie.


Armillaria mellea, honey fungus, pickles well, otherwise falls into the third group.

Lycoperdon species and Calvatia species. Giant puffballs may be sliced to the thickness of a goodly slice of bread and fried. (Try butter!) To make it into a real treat, fry the slices in butter, whip
them out of the pan when they are good and brown, then dip them in batter and sling them back into the pan...


Yum.

I also had a particularly delicious "chicken of the woods"
Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
obliged!

Jew's ear (sorry forget the modern PC name) Auricularia auricula-judae
is great in soups/stews, for the texture.


RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:47 AM

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On 04/06/13 00:33, Tom Gardner wrote:
Some of which are also poisonous, e.g. blewetts bought
in Waitrose complete with the necessary "cook before
eating" label!


I've never known anyone upset by properly cooked blewits. Raw, they
haemolise the blood.

Just like many other vegetables. Nasty things vegetables :)


Yes - many of them affect my Warfarin.

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Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:55 AM

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On 03/06/13 23:49, Tom Gardner wrote:
RustyHinge wrote:
On 23/05/13 09:56, Tom Gardner wrote:
Pam Moore wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
wrote:


Nice set of pictures here

'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)

Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.

A much more useful site is
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/

The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.

However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists

- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc


Not got the bandwidth here (GPRS dongle) to go looking at websites - I
take it that's Roger Phillips?


Yup. It is a very sensible intro to his books: the pictures are
large enough to be useful but small enough that they make you
want to get the book! It also has info not in the books.


Back in the '70s the curator of the Dept. of Mycology in the British
Museum of Natural History advised be to get Roger Phillips' 'Mushrooma
and Other Fungi of Great Britain and Europe'

I still use it a lot.


Mine is the 1981 Pan edition, text copyright Phillips 1981,
no mention of other printings. I strongly suspect it is a
first edition of the Pan paperback, since ISTR remember getting
it as soon as it appeared :)

I'll normally take Philips plus one or two others when I go foraging.


Get a more modern edition to use - Macmillan IIRC: that Pan book is
worth looking after. First edition *is* 1981.

--
Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:31 PM

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On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:

Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig


Always turned to a watery mush for me :(


Only use the caps which are not turning to (p)ink.

Do not discard the stalk, just clean the base. Slice the whole
mushroom(s) in half longitudinally.

Fry in an excess of butter. Remove from heat and put aside.

Make a roux from the remaining butter and work it into a sauce with a
decent white wine.

Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and
give it a short blast in the microwave.

--
Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:33 PM

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On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:

Merasmius oreades, fairy ring champignon - useful, as it dries, and
rehydrates like new.


Careful; too many similar "LBJs", some nasty e.g. poison pie.


I really can't understand *anyone* mistaking M. oreades for anything else.

Nor the converse.

--
Rusty Hinge

RustyHinge 04-06-2013 12:42 PM

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On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:

I also had a particularly delicious "chicken of the woods"
Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
obliged!


I've never found one in decent enough condition to try,unfortunately,
and I've been a mad mushroom maniac since around 1951...

Jew's ear (sorry forget the modern PC name) Auricularia auricula-judae
is great in soups/stews, for the texture.


Yes. I was just listing some off the top of me 'ed. I dry that (when I
find it growing on me 'ed - after all, I am an elder innit). It
rehydrates as effectively as Merasmius oreades and when dry, it can be
granulated in a coffee grinder or powdered in a liquidiser.

If you do the latter, keep one specially for this purpose as it is less
than kind to the blades.

--
Rusty Hinge

No Name 04-06-2013 01:30 PM

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RustyHinge wrote:
Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and
give it a short blast in the microwave.


What's the microwaving for? Surely everything is already hot from having
just been made?

Tom Gardner[_2_] 04-06-2013 01:55 PM

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RustyHinge wrote:
On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:

Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig


Always turned to a watery mush for me :(


Only use the caps which are not turning to (p)ink.

Do not discard the stalk, just clean the base. Slice the whole mushroom(s) in half longitudinally.

Fry in an excess of butter. Remove from heat and put aside.

Make a roux from the remaining butter and work it into a sauce with a decent white wine.

Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and give it a short blast in the microwave.


I did that but stopped before making a sauce. Not
convinced there would be much flavour of the Cc,
but might try it.


Tom Gardner[_2_] 04-06-2013 01:57 PM

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RustyHinge wrote:
On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:

I also had a particularly delicious "chicken of the woods"
Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
obliged!


I've never found one in decent enough condition to try,unfortunately, and I've been a mad mushroom maniac since around 1951...


Only one I've had too :( All the others have been too woody.


Jew's ear (sorry forget the modern PC name) Auricularia auricula-judae
is great in soups/stews, for the texture.


Yes. I was just listing some off the top of me 'ed. I dry that (when I find it growing on me 'ed - after all, I am an elder innit). It rehydrates as effectively as Merasmius oreades and when dry, it
can be granulated in a coffee grinder or powdered in a liquidiser.

If you do the latter, keep one specially for this purpose as it is less than kind to the blades.


I wouldn't grind it, because I think the texture is what
makes it worthwhile. The dried stuff from chinese supermarkets
is also acceptable from that PoV.



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