On 08/07/2013 14:09, David Hill wrote:

It means removing a narrow sliver down just one side of the cutting, remove
the outer layer of bark but not going right through, its not an exact
science and some experimentation is usually required to find what works
best, same for mist units the settings that work best vary and also change
during the year.

One thing you will find of huge benefit is to shade the mist unit with thin
white polythene to prevent sun scorch

Try doing some other easy subjects as well as your Alders, that way you will
know if the mist unit settings are ok but the timing for the Alder cuttings
needs adjusting, or if the easy stuff fails the settings are wrong!

My mist propagotion unit is in shade on the north side of my house
(because of lack of space on any other side) so scorch is not a
problem. I have the settings on maximum wetness, and the first
cuttings went in on Friday, and they are still alive. Lacking advice
on what "wounded" meant I simply dipped the ends into rooting powder.
I wait to see what happens!

Michael Bell


Do you actually bother reading the replies?
you say "Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant"
Look at the first 2 lines of this post.
What don't you understand?

I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped the
ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings on
Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.

--

Jeff

Besides which, his post re rooting powder was at 8.14 and Charlie's reply on wounding wasn't posted until 8.32.

On 08/07/2013 22:02, kay wrote:
'Jeff Layman[_2_ Wrote:
;987131']
I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped the

ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings on

Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.


Besides which, his post re rooting powder was at 8.14 and Charlie's
reply on wounding wasn't posted until 8.32.


The post I replied to was sent 08/07/2013 08:14
Charlies posting was sent 07/07/2013 08:23
A day after Charlkies post so no excuse for not acknowledging Charlies
reply to his question.

In article ,
David Hill wrote:
On 08/07/2013 22:02, kay wrote:
'Jeff Layman[_2_ Wrote:
;987131']
I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped the

ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings on

Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.

Besides which, his post re rooting powder was at 8.14 and Charlie's
reply on wounding wasn't posted until 8.32.

The post I replied to was sent 08/07/2013 08:14
Charlies posting was sent 07/07/2013 08:23
A day after Charlkies post so no excuse for not acknowledging Charlies
reply to his question.

You don't know how Usenet works. Each server will get them in a
different order, and there are often delays of days. There are
also problems with posts not appearing, and old posts reappearing,
but they are different. Even when all goes well, delays of a few
days are normal.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , says...

You don't know how Usenet works. Each server will get them in a
different order, and there are often delays of days. There are
also problems with posts not appearing, and old posts reappearing,
but they are different. Even when all goes well, delays of a few
days are normal.

LOL. Many people seem never to learn that.

In another group an Australian accused me of A) being "late"
responding to a post he sent the previous day (with a 12 hour time
difference) and even dafter, claiming he had already cancelled it before
I could have seen it.

This despite the fact that two UK posters on that group had replied
requoting it.

Janet.

On 08/07/2013 18:58, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/07/2013 14:09, David Hill wrote:

It means removing a narrow sliver down just one side of the cutting,
remove
the outer layer of bark but not going right through, its not an exact
science and some experimentation is usually required to find what works
best, same for mist units the settings that work best vary and also
change
during the year.

One thing you will find of huge benefit is to shade the mist unit
with thin
white polythene to prevent sun scorch

Try doing some other easy subjects as well as your Alders, that way
you will
know if the mist unit settings are ok but the timing for the Alder
cuttings
needs adjusting, or if the easy stuff fails the settings are wrong!

My mist propagotion unit is in shade on the north side of my house
(because of lack of space on any other side) so scorch is not a
problem. I have the settings on maximum wetness, and the first
cuttings went in on Friday, and they are still alive. Lacking advice
on what "wounded" meant I simply dipped the ends into rooting powder.
I wait to see what happens!

Michael Bell


Do you actually bother reading the replies?
you say "Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant"
Look at the first 2 lines of this post.
What don't you understand?

I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped the
ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings on
Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.


Had the OP acknowledged Charlies reply, it would have been one thing but
he posted a day after he had done the cuttings, so he doesn't seem that
bothered about getting advice, remember that this has been going on now
for more than 2 years.

David Hill wrote:

Had the OP acknowledged Charlies reply, it would have been one thing but
he posted a day after he had done the cuttings, so he doesn't seem that
bothered about getting advice, remember that this has been going on now
for more than 2 years.

Judging by his demeanour elsewhere, the OP doesn't provide much
evidence of allowing his "interesting" ideas to be influenced by
what others say.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 08/07/2013 22:51, David Hill wrote:
On 08/07/2013 18:58, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/07/2013 14:09, David Hill wrote:

It means removing a narrow sliver down just one side of the cutting,
remove
the outer layer of bark but not going right through, its not an exact
science and some experimentation is usually required to find what works
best, same for mist units the settings that work best vary and also
change
during the year.

One thing you will find of huge benefit is to shade the mist unit
with thin
white polythene to prevent sun scorch

Try doing some other easy subjects as well as your Alders, that way
you will
know if the mist unit settings are ok but the timing for the Alder
cuttings
needs adjusting, or if the easy stuff fails the settings are wrong!

My mist propagotion unit is in shade on the north side of my house
(because of lack of space on any other side) so scorch is not a
problem. I have the settings on maximum wetness, and the first
cuttings went in on Friday, and they are still alive. Lacking advice
on what "wounded" meant I simply dipped the ends into rooting powder.
I wait to see what happens!

Michael Bell


Do you actually bother reading the replies?
you say "Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant"
Look at the first 2 lines of this post.
What don't you understand?

I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped the
ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings on
Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.


Had the OP acknowledged Charlies reply, it would have been one thing but
he posted a day after he had done the cuttings, so he doesn't seem that
bothered about getting advice, remember that this has been going on now
for more than 2 years.

Whether or not he takes the advice he gets is not the point of the
criticism you made in your first post. You berated him for not reading
the replies. It is /you/ who is not reading the replies.

Now you are criticising him again, again incorrectly: "Had the OP
acknowledged Charlie's reply...".

Charlie noted (as well as his comment on what wounding meant): "One
thing you will find of huge benefit is to shade the mist unit with thin
white polythene to prevent sun scorch". The OP replied "My mist
propagation unit is in shade on the north side of my house (because of
lack of space on any other side) so scorch is not a problem". So he had
read Charlie's reply and noted it. He lacked the advice on wounding
/before/ Charlie's reply, that's why he had already dipped the unwounded
cuttings into rooting powder, as he had done that before Charlie's
reply. What do you find so hard to understand about that?

--

Jeff

In message
Chris Hogg wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 22:51:27 +0100, David Hill
wrote:

On 08/07/2013 18:58, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/07/2013 14:09, David Hill wrote:

It means removing a narrow sliver down just one side of the cutting,
remove
the outer layer of bark but not going right through, its not an exact
science and some experimentation is usually required to find what works
best, same for mist units the settings that work best vary and also
change
during the year.

One thing you will find of huge benefit is to shade the mist unit
with thin
white polythene to prevent sun scorch

Try doing some other easy subjects as well as your Alders, that way
you will
know if the mist unit settings are ok but the timing for the Alder
cuttings
needs adjusting, or if the easy stuff fails the settings are wrong!

My mist propagotion unit is in shade on the north side of my house
(because of lack of space on any other side) so scorch is not a
problem. I have the settings on maximum wetness, and the first
cuttings went in on Friday, and they are still alive. Lacking advice
on what "wounded" meant I simply dipped the ends into rooting powder.
I wait to see what happens!

Michael Bell


Do you actually bother reading the replies?
you say "Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant"
Look at the first 2 lines of this post.
What don't you understand?

I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped the
ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings on
Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.


Had the OP acknowledged Charlies reply, it would have been one thing but
he posted a day after he had done the cuttings, so he doesn't seem that
bothered about getting advice, remember that this has been going on now
for more than 2 years.

Some months ago I posted a link for him to some helpful YouTube videos
on grafting. He doesn't seem to have learnt much from them.

The solution seems to be along another line, to provide electric
heating, a 2 Kohm resistor fed by 24 volts and wrapped with 3 turns of
bubblewrap raises the temperature to 10 °C above ambient and then
callus grows. Full details will be published on this ng when
perfected.

Michael Bell



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"Michael Bell" wrote in message
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In message
Chris Hogg wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 22:51:27 +0100, David Hill
wrote:

On 08/07/2013 18:58, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/07/2013 14:09, David Hill wrote:

It means removing a narrow sliver down just one side of the cutting,
remove
the outer layer of bark but not going right through, its not an
exact
science and some experimentation is usually required to find what
works
best, same for mist units the settings that work best vary and also
change
during the year.

One thing you will find of huge benefit is to shade the mist unit
with thin
white polythene to prevent sun scorch

Try doing some other easy subjects as well as your Alders, that way
you will
know if the mist unit settings are ok but the timing for the Alder
cuttings
needs adjusting, or if the easy stuff fails the settings are wrong!

My mist propagotion unit is in shade on the north side of my house
(because of lack of space on any other side) so scorch is not a
problem. I have the settings on maximum wetness, and the first
cuttings went in on Friday, and they are still alive. Lacking advice
on what "wounded" meant I simply dipped the ends into rooting powder.
I wait to see what happens!

Michael Bell


Do you actually bother reading the replies?
you say "Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant"
Look at the first 2 lines of this post.
What don't you understand?

I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped
the
ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings
on
Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.


Had the OP acknowledged Charlies reply, it would have been one thing but
he posted a day after he had done the cuttings, so he doesn't seem that
bothered about getting advice, remember that this has been going on now
for more than 2 years.

Some months ago I posted a link for him to some helpful YouTube videos
on grafting. He doesn't seem to have learnt much from them.

The solution seems to be along another line, to provide electric
heating, a 2 Kohm resistor fed by 24 volts and wrapped with 3 turns of
bubblewrap raises the temperature to 10 °C above ambient and then
callus grows. Full details will be published on this ng when
perfected.

Michael Bell



--
Michael, pleeasse give up the idea that that you can breed an alder seed to
feed the world.
I know you want it so much but it's not possible.
It's beginning to hurt my heart if you continue.

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 22:51:27 +0100, David Hill
wrote:

On 08/07/2013 18:58, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/07/2013 14:09, David Hill wrote:

It means removing a narrow sliver down just one side of the cutting,
remove
the outer layer of bark but not going right through, its not an exact
science and some experimentation is usually required to find what
works
best, same for mist units the settings that work best vary and also
change
during the year.

One thing you will find of huge benefit is to shade the mist unit
with thin
white polythene to prevent sun scorch

Try doing some other easy subjects as well as your Alders, that way
you will
know if the mist unit settings are ok but the timing for the Alder
cuttings
needs adjusting, or if the easy stuff fails the settings are wrong!

My mist propagotion unit is in shade on the north side of my house
(because of lack of space on any other side) so scorch is not a
problem. I have the settings on maximum wetness, and the first
cuttings went in on Friday, and they are still alive. Lacking advice
on what "wounded" meant I simply dipped the ends into rooting powder.
I wait to see what happens!

Michael Bell


Do you actually bother reading the replies?
you say "Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant"
Look at the first 2 lines of this post.
What don't you understand?

I think you owe the OP an apology. He posted on Saturday (6th) asking
what "wounded" meant. Charlie replied on Sunday. The OP replied early
today with "...and the first cuttings went in on Friday, and they are
still alive. Lacking advice on what "wounded" meant, I simply dipped the
ends into rooting powder". So he had already made his first cuttings on
Friday, before he asked what "wounded" meant.


Had the OP acknowledged Charlies reply, it would have been one thing but
he posted a day after he had done the cuttings, so he doesn't seem that
bothered about getting advice, remember that this has been going on now
for more than 2 years.

Some months ago I posted a link for him to some helpful YouTube videos
on grafting. He doesn't seem to have learnt much from them.


--
Although it's nice to have an idea to feed the world from alder seeds, it's
not going to happen for Michael (or anyone else)
Even if he spends the rest of his life at it.






ed to salt gales

Christina Websell wrote:

Although it's nice to have an idea to feed the world from alder seeds, it's
not going to happen for Michael (or anyone else)
Even if he spends the rest of his life at it.

I think the rest of his life is devoted to persuading HS2 to run
double-deck vehicles and swerve to the route towards the north
east.

So they're not all hair brained schemes then ;-)

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.